People can suggest bright ideas to the Pope all they want. This guy's just another Pope, and they're all about the same, because the organization they sit on top of is always the same.
He'll make some nice comments about "social justice," but no one listens to Popes on that subject. On what counts--status of women, LGBT rights, pedophilic priests, marriage of priests, abortion, etc., etc.--there will be no change whatsoever. And there never will be a change on this matters in the official Catholic doctrines, as long as there is a Catholic Church.
(Of course, not being a Catholic, what do I know?)
The cardinals hedged their bets. This pope is 77 and probably has 8 good years in him. This is equivalent to a month or two in "Vatican" time. Absolutely nothing will change. The best we can hope for is that the church continues to hemorrhage members in Europe and North America and those in the rest of the world begin to smell the rot and leave as well...
Posted by: Bill | Mar 14, 2013 4:05:01 AM
"Four years of Bergoglio would be enough to change things."
It's a good (but hardly original- there's been a FB page for years with this theme) idea, but comes hardly from a citizen of a country which could solve world poverty in a trice with just a tithe of the money it spends on killing people who for some trumped-up reason or other are felt to be extermination-worthy.
Posted by: rita | Mar 14, 2013 6:16:39 PM
Reminds me of a cartoon from the George Bush era in which he is trying to decide whether to sink trillions of dollars down the drain in useless wars or to remove world poverty. The joke of course being that for a normal person, there wouldn't be any question. Unfortunately, the Vatican is not populated by normal people.
Posted by: Umesh | Mar 14, 2013 8:44:55 PM
Francis I, throughout his ascent in the Church, has remained personally modest -- taking the bus, living in an ordinary flat rather than the archepiscopal palace, and cooking his own meals. The segue is SO obvious...
Posted by: Elatia Harris | Mar 14, 2013 10:20:15 PM
Last year, at a mass Bergoglio told Argentine veterans of the Falklands War: "We come to pray for all who have fallen, sons of the Homeland who went out to defend their mother, the Homeland, and to reclaim what is theirs."
Can't imagine Christ or St Francis of Assisi approving of militarised land-grabs.
I don't care if he eats pet food and wears barbed wire undies; Hitler led an austere lifestyle too.
OK, I've pulled out the Nazi card now. Time to stop typing.
Posted by: Umesh | Mar 15, 2013 12:46:53 AM
With Sarah Silverman the message can be layered and multifaceted. I was struck by the reference to the 48 inch plasma screen that lets you see poverty in hi-def. Maybe she's laughing at the Vatican and at concern trolling the Vatican at the same time?
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Mar 15, 2013 11:16:43 AM
Wait a minute. What happens to people who find themselves dependent on Roman Catholic institutions for their basic needs? Do we want to increase the number of people in that position? Or would it be better for all concerned if the Vatican spent all of its revenues on paintings and Prada and gold-plated ceremonial toilets?
Thanks you lovely snide blue state liberal Jewish princess for more valued criticism of Christian, in this case Catholic, hypocrisy. The Vatican hears you and cares as do your fans.
Posted by: flowers rainbows | Mar 15, 2013 9:08:51 PM
@Flowers rainbows. So Jews aren't allowed to criticise Christian hypocrisy?
Posted by: Umesh | Mar 15, 2013 10:54:42 PM
So Jews aren't allowed to criticise Christian hypocrisy?
Just the meme protecting itself.
As Lenny Bruce pointed out:
"If you can't say fu#k, you can't say fu#k the government"
Posted by: Dave Ranning | Mar 15, 2013 11:57:57 PM
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Mar 16, 2013 12:40:09 PM
Allowed? That doesn't make sense since Silverman just did and they do it all the time and who the fuck would stop people from mocking and criticizing Christianity? Besides she's right and totally unoriginal and point is who gives a f*ck what she says. Maybe fans? Here's a thought -celebrity Jews really speak out just a little bit more, I know some do, but a little bit more, on the crimes of Israel. Instead of telling their grandparents in Florida to vote for centrist Democrats or they wont visit them and the usual shitting on white or non-Jewish people.
Posted by: flowers rainbows | Mar 17, 2013 9:38:25 AM
With the new pope hailing from Argentina, the role of the Vatican during the 1982 Falklands War is worth re-examination.
The first ever papal visit to Britain had been arranged well in advance and took place thirty years ago in the midst of the Falklands War between Britain and Catholic Argentina. The Vatican was compelled by political necessity to follow the British visit with a hastily arranged papal visit to Argentina, otherwise it risked undermining its Latin American base.
The cooperation of the military junta that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983 was needed for the latter visit. Suggestions that the Pope cold shouldered the junta during the visit do not match the facts. Two photos that appeared in the Catholic press at the time are of particular interest in this regard.
These photos are to be found in an article about this fascinating chapter in papal history that reveals a great deal about the Vatican’s modus operandi in modern times —
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People can suggest bright ideas to the Pope all they want. This guy's just another Pope, and they're all about the same, because the organization they sit on top of is always the same.
He'll make some nice comments about "social justice," but no one listens to Popes on that subject. On what counts--status of women, LGBT rights, pedophilic priests, marriage of priests, abortion, etc., etc.--there will be no change whatsoever. And there never will be a change on this matters in the official Catholic doctrines, as long as there is a Catholic Church.
(Of course, not being a Catholic, what do I know?)
Posted by: JonJ | Mar 13, 2013 11:17:56 PM
The cardinals hedged their bets. This pope is 77 and probably has 8 good years in him. This is equivalent to a month or two in "Vatican" time. Absolutely nothing will change. The best we can hope for is that the church continues to hemorrhage members in Europe and North America and those in the rest of the world begin to smell the rot and leave as well...
Posted by: Bill | Mar 14, 2013 4:05:01 AM
"Four years of Bergoglio would be enough to change things."
http://qote.me/DjqhfC
Posted by: John Ballard | Mar 14, 2013 7:36:17 AM
It's a good (but hardly original- there's been a FB page for years with this theme) idea, but comes hardly from a citizen of a country which could solve world poverty in a trice with just a tithe of the money it spends on killing people who for some trumped-up reason or other are felt to be extermination-worthy.
Posted by: rita | Mar 14, 2013 6:16:39 PM
Reminds me of a cartoon from the George Bush era in which he is trying to decide whether to sink trillions of dollars down the drain in useless wars or to remove world poverty. The joke of course being that for a normal person, there wouldn't be any question. Unfortunately, the Vatican is not populated by normal people.
Posted by: Umesh | Mar 14, 2013 8:44:55 PM
Francis I, throughout his ascent in the Church, has remained personally modest -- taking the bus, living in an ordinary flat rather than the archepiscopal palace, and cooking his own meals. The segue is SO obvious...
Posted by: Elatia Harris | Mar 14, 2013 10:20:15 PM
Last year, at a mass Bergoglio told Argentine veterans of the Falklands War: "We come to pray for all who have fallen, sons of the Homeland who went out to defend their mother, the Homeland, and to reclaim what is theirs."
Can't imagine Christ or St Francis of Assisi approving of militarised land-grabs.
I don't care if he eats pet food and wears barbed wire undies; Hitler led an austere lifestyle too.
OK, I've pulled out the Nazi card now. Time to stop typing.
Posted by: Umesh | Mar 15, 2013 12:46:53 AM
With Sarah Silverman the message can be layered and multifaceted. I was struck by the reference to the 48 inch plasma screen that lets you see poverty in hi-def. Maybe she's laughing at the Vatican and at concern trolling the Vatican at the same time?
Posted by: prasad | Mar 15, 2013 5:39:46 AM
Holy . . . holy . . . holy
http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-protest/catholicchurch_2709.jsp
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Mar 15, 2013 11:16:43 AM
Wait a minute. What happens to people who find themselves dependent on Roman Catholic institutions for their basic needs? Do we want to increase the number of people in that position? Or would it be better for all concerned if the Vatican spent all of its revenues on paintings and Prada and gold-plated ceremonial toilets?
Posted by: acilius | Mar 15, 2013 12:53:02 PM
Thanks you lovely snide blue state liberal Jewish princess for more valued criticism of Christian, in this case Catholic, hypocrisy. The Vatican hears you and cares as do your fans.
Posted by: flowers rainbows | Mar 15, 2013 9:08:51 PM
@Flowers rainbows. So Jews aren't allowed to criticise Christian hypocrisy?
Posted by: Umesh | Mar 15, 2013 10:54:42 PM
So Jews aren't allowed to criticise Christian hypocrisy?
Just the meme protecting itself.
As Lenny Bruce pointed out:
"If you can't say fu#k, you can't say fu#k the government"
Posted by: Dave Ranning | Mar 15, 2013 11:57:57 PM
The meme shall inherit the earth.
Posted by: James S | Mar 16, 2013 1:46:00 AM
More good news about the new pope:
http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/03/15/the-pope-and-politics/
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Mar 16, 2013 12:40:09 PM
Allowed? That doesn't make sense since Silverman just did and they do it all the time and who the fuck would stop people from mocking and criticizing Christianity? Besides she's right and totally unoriginal and point is who gives a f*ck what she says. Maybe fans? Here's a thought -celebrity Jews really speak out just a little bit more, I know some do, but a little bit more, on the crimes of Israel. Instead of telling their grandparents in Florida to vote for centrist Democrats or they wont visit them and the usual shitting on white or non-Jewish people.
Posted by: flowers rainbows | Mar 17, 2013 9:38:25 AM
With the new pope hailing from Argentina, the role of the Vatican during the 1982 Falklands War is worth re-examination.
The first ever papal visit to Britain had been arranged well in advance and took place thirty years ago in the midst of the Falklands War between Britain and Catholic Argentina. The Vatican was compelled by political necessity to follow the British visit with a hastily arranged papal visit to Argentina, otherwise it risked undermining its Latin American base.
The cooperation of the military junta that ruled Argentina from 1976 to 1983 was needed for the latter visit. Suggestions that the Pope cold shouldered the junta during the visit do not match the facts. Two photos that appeared in the Catholic press at the time are of particular interest in this regard.
These photos are to be found in an article about this fascinating chapter in papal history that reveals a great deal about the Vatican’s modus operandi in modern times —
http://www.wallsofjericho.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=68
Posted by: Gerry | Mar 18, 2013 1:37:25 AM
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