February 19, 2013
to stop growth
Ecological economists in contrast believe that humans are complex creatures with a variety of needs and wants. Society has multiple economic goals about which reasonable people can disagree. All economic production requires energy and raw materials, and generates waste. The raw materials we use also serve as the structural building blocks of ecosystems, and their conversion to economic production and hence waste inevitably degrades the life-sustaining services provided by healthy ecosystems. These services are largely non-substitutable. The ecological economic system is highly complex, characterized by both positive and negative feedback loops, emergent phenomena and surprises. For example, under some conditions, an increase in prices will lead to a decrease in demand, but under other conditions, such as we recently witnessed with speculative investments in land, food, and oil, rising prices increase speculative demand, leading to further price increases. Positive feedback loops in a finite system are self-limiting, and must ultimately collapse in another positive feedback loop where falling prices reduce demand. Facts are scarce and uncertain, and both the economic system and the global ecosystem that sustains and contains it are rapidly evolving.more from Joshua Farley and Almantas Samalavicius at Eurozine here.
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Ah what the hell, why not. Hasn't this interview existed in basically this form since at least the Club of Rome? For as long as their narrative is just about greed and waste, with nary a mention of development, economic security and flourishing, such people can keep on babbling pointlessly. A starting point for a sensible discussion is the acknowledgement that this isn't about Captain Planet versus evildoers but about difficult (even tragic) tradeoffs between competing goods.
Oh, just for fun, some words missing entirely from the interview: Africa, Asia, developing, China, India.
Words _not_ missing: sustainable, ecosystem, environment, waste.
Posted by: prasad | Feb 19, 2013 10:35:15 AM
Oh, and I notice the umpteenth reference to Bhutan's gross happiness product, with the hope that nations (the ones that are growing too fast for Mr Farley foremost?) will adopt this standard. Well, change should begin at home.
Posted by: prasad | Feb 19, 2013 10:39:49 AM
A finite planet cannot sustain limitless growth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=xDGh58khe_c
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Feb 19, 2013 7:31:06 PM
Of course growth cannot continue "limitlessly" - that's as true (and toothless) as the Laffer Curve argument. In fact, it's basically the same argument. Every interesting detail lies in rates and inflections.
The guy in the video is also strange. He argues to incipiently uplifting music that the age of growth is over and that of holism and sustainability is beginning. He also says the BRIC countries are going to keep growing. It's hard to see how this vision would actually accomplish the man's goals re ecosystems and climate change. Enviros really do have to talk about third world growth, even if that means that the associated youtube videos can't have nice indie music.
Posted by: prasad | Feb 20, 2013 7:43:05 AM
I don't think Charles is strange. I think he is a visionary.
http://www.yesmagazine.org/happiness/religion-science-and-spirit-a-sacred-story-for-our-time
Prasad, I think you are too used to thinking in market terms.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Feb 21, 2013 11:58:57 AM
Probably. I do think growth is nice and it would be a real shame as and when it ends. I also think for poor countries it's more than merely nice. If nothing else it keeps people from being post-materialistic, as all good people should be :)
Posted by: prasad | Feb 21, 2013 3:17:13 PM
Clear cuts:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1012&bih=586&q=clearcut+forests&oq=clearcut+forests&gs_l=img.3..0i10i24.1480.5235.0.5498.16.16.0.0.0.0.139.1588.9j7.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.4.img.YnViB_Zy4Zg#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=clear+cuts&oq=clear+cuts&gs_l=img.3..0l9j0i5.438037.440156.4.440280.10.10.0.0.0.0.271.1256.4j3j2.9.0...0.0...1c.1.4.img.Wh4voH-bdzY&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42661473,d.dmQ&fp=2528bb05ef681c34&biw=1012&bih=586
Mountaintop removal:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1012&bih=586&q=clearcut+forests&oq=clearcut+forests&gs_l=img.3..0i10i24.1480.5235.0.5498.16.16.0.0.0.0.139.1588.9j7.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.4.img.YnViB_Zy4Zg#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=mountaintop+removal&oq=mountaintop+removal&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i24l2j0i10i24j0i24l5.54229.58973.6.59327.19.16.0.2.2.0.225.1781.6j9j1.16.0...0.0...1c.1.4.img.Z65uv4iKLCU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42661473,d.dmQ&fp=2528bb05ef681c34&biw=1012&bih=586
Canada tar sands:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1012&bih=586&q=clearcut+forests&oq=clearcut+forests&gs_l=img.3..0i10i24.1480.5235.0.5498.16.16.0.0.0.0.139.1588.9j7.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.4.img.YnViB_Zy4Zg#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Canada+tarsands&oq=Canada+tarsands&gs_l=img.3..0i10i24.51148.74358.8.74532.19.17.2.0.0.0.141.1496.11j6.17.0...0.0...1c.1.4.img.ltWsxxkG1HY&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42661473,d.dmQ&fp=2528bb05ef681c34&biw=1012&bih=586
Maybe some day the whole Earth will look like this. After the Arctic melts and we all drown.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Feb 21, 2013 3:55:36 PM
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