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January 11, 2013

imagine a world where everybody has drones

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It is always a hard question whether new technologies require the revision of old arguments. Targeted killing isn’t new, and I am going to repeat an old argument about it. But targeted killing with drones? Here the old arguments, though they still make sense, leave me uneasy. First things first. Untargeted killing, random killing, the bomb in the supermarket, the café, or the bus station: we call that terrorism, and its condemnation is critically important. No qualifications, no apologies: this is wrongfulness of the first order. But someone who takes aim at a particular person, a political official, a military officer, is engaged in a different activity. He may be a just assassin, as in Camus’s play, though I don’t think that the justice of the killing depends on the killer’s willingness to accept death himself (which is Camus’s argument). It depends on the character of the official or the officer, the character of the regime he serves, and the immediate political circumstances: what else is there to do? But even if the assassination is a wrongful act, as it most often is in history if not in literature, the wrongfulness is of a second order.
more from Michael Walzer at Dissent here.

Posted by Morgan Meis at 09:20 AM | Permalink

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Drone: http://jimculleny.wordpress.com/drone/

Posted by: Jim | Jan 11, 2013 12:30:17 PM

"It depends on the character of the official or the officer, the character of the regime he serves, and the immediate political circumstances: what else is there to do?"

Some of them are likely to use drones against Oil-Qaeda one would expect.

And since Oil-Qaeda has them too, we could see drone wars, where drones fight drones.

Posted by: Dredd | Jan 11, 2013 1:14:04 PM

What a shame that the author never addresses the key point of his title: drones are cheap and easy to manufacture and their size and cost are dropping all the time. The technology does not require materials which are inherently controllable in the way that nuclear weaponry does.
It is thus inevitable that every major and minor political actor will have the capability to attack with swarms of small drones, and if there is a defense for this that has been devised... well, just note that our military contractors have yet to come begging for funds to deploy it.

This is the folly of our current policy of assassination by drone -- the example we lead seems highly likely to blow back tenfold.

Posted by: melior | Jan 11, 2013 10:27:36 PM

Walzer discusses the (dis)analogy between drone kills and those by manned aircraft - the problem being that the former are too easy. But manned aircraft are actually the conceptually "messier" case. The most obvious analogs of drones are other remote killing technologies - missiles, bombs, landmines and planes. In particular the conceptual analogy with guided missiles is exact (imo). Right at the end Walzer says:

"we should think very carefully before relaxing the targeting rules and turning drones into a weapon like all the others. Their moral and political advantage is their precision, which depends on using them only against individuals whose critical importance we have established and about whom we have learned a great deal. Using them like an advanced form of artillery or like “smart” bombs isn’t morally right or politically wise."

But it's hard for me to understand what's special about drones compared to the war technologies of yesteryear. They're neither more destructive nor cheaper. So, worst case they're exactly as bad as military technologies that don't attract enlightened horror. In practice, they do add at least *some* targeting/discriminating ability, making them at least somewhat better. I think the chief sin that in fact separates them from the technologies I mentioned is their novelty and attendant unfamiliarity.

The fundamental problem here is that the US political system doesn't care much about the lives of foreigners, especially non-Europeans. I won't claim Americans are unique or even historically unusual in this regard. But that's where the problem lies. I'd actually say American military responses have gotten less sanguinary over time, not because Americans are more usefully horrified by foreign civilian deaths now, but because new technologies permit somewhat less indiscriminate use. Scapegoating those advances without addressing deeper moral failings seems worse than useless - it might be actively counterproductive.

Posted by: prasad | Jan 12, 2013 10:16:45 AM

[*] "The most obvious analogs of drones are other remote killing technologies - missiles, bombs, landmines and planes."

Planes - Just to flesh out what might sound strange, what matters re. risk/cost of conflict is a) disproportionately powerful technology and b) the risk to the operator. Where that operator is *physically* situated is only of incidental significance. Pilots in F32s bombing terrorist cells are at no great danger. What drones may legitimately do (taking into account direct ethical considerations, change to likelihood of future conflict etc) is basically the same as what F32s may.

Posted by: prasad | Jan 12, 2013 10:23:03 AM


Instead of "magnificent men in their flying machines" there are hardware and software geeks controlling drones from far away bunkers.

The impersonal nature of drone strikes does not remove the horrors of sudden deaths from the sky, with innocent civilians often ending up as 'collateral damage' for being at the wrong place in the wrong time.

Posted by: waqnis | Jan 12, 2013 2:05:24 PM

I am with melior on this one that walzer would have been better to focus on the highly likely blow back to come. For as melior said, this technology must be relatively cheap and easy and when we imagine a world where everyone has them, things will suddenly get a lot scarier. I also have been wondering about when and who made the decision to dis-allow the media to show body bags? You would think there is no war. You would think US tax dollars are not being used to kill--it is all brushed under the rug. This goes hand-in-hand with the "impersonal" technology of the drones... it is all brushed under the rug--except, as waqnis says above to those on the receiving end.

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Jan 12, 2013 8:27:34 PM

Closer and closer to the Star Trek episode wherein a planet far away kept many wars going in the complete absence of combat. A computer was used to determine how many casualties of combat there "should" be, to make sure hostilities were maintained. Then, on either side of the conflict, that number of the citizenry would be randomly called to an extermination center, where they would be painlessly put to death. It could happen to anyone at any time, and no one was exempt. No muss-no fuss, and the War gods were satisfied. Also -- extremely inexpensive.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jan 12, 2013 11:03:24 PM

Whilst I understand the complexity regarding the moral and ethical use of UAVs or any emerging technology, it is hard to draw a robust distinction between the software geek in the Nevada desert and the Syrian pilot 5km above Hama, both are carrying out orders to deliver the missile from a position where they cannot physically sight the target. Although the precision is different, there is no sensory empathy for the target and both are highly impersonal. There was similar moral and ethical discussions associated with the use of surgical aerial strikes in the wake of the 1990s Gulf War. If you accept that warfare has been a constant throughout history, then surgical strikes cause less casualties than carpet bombings and the ethical and moral considerations are amplified because the hegemonic global power usually develops the technology. The case of Syria (50 000 civilian deaths) in 18 months and Afghanistan (10 000) in 6 years is indicative of the lower civilian casualty rates achieved with technology.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics

I'm not sure about the blowback from state actors, almost half the planet now deploys UAVs although only a dozen admit to their use in a military capacity. As a state you cannot deploy UAVs unless you control the airspace. The use by non-state actors is more compelling.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mapping-drone-proliferation-uavs-in-76-countries/5305191

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19914441

Posted by: Troy | Jan 13, 2013 6:43:09 AM

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