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December 17, 2012

How should we think about Bamiyan?

Yamagata

by Leanne Ogasawara

There was recently mention in the media of a religious extremist in Egypt calling for the destruction of the pyramids. I first heard talk of this last summer-- around the time that the shrines in Timbuktu were destroyed.

Holy hoax or not, I could not help but think of Bamiyan.

I can remember exactly where I was and what I was doing the moment I learned that the Taliban had blown up the Buddhist statues of Bamiyan. 

Sitting in the backseat of a car in Los Angeles in 2001, we were stopped at a traffic light. The radio news mentioned it, but conversation in the car continued on-- I don't think anyone noticed or was really listening. 

Despite the fact that they had been firing rockets at the statues for months, still it was a shock to hear that the statues had been completely destroyed-- and that these 1400 year old statues no longer existed.  

How could they actually have gone through with it? I thought.

Although their destruction came as a shock, in fact the two statues had been practically tortured to death after months of rocket fire, canon fire, machine gun volleys and weeks of dynamiting. 

The Japanese had been working furiously behind the scenes when the Taliban first made their intentions known to the world. Working with UNESCO and several Islamic governments, even their concentrated efforts could not stop what was to be. Years later, my Japanese friends still bring it up.

You see, the Japanese are sometimes called the world's great antiquarians. And they can trace their own tradition of Buddhist sculpture back to Bamiyan. So they --like many people-- find it nearly impossible to grasp why anyone would have wanted to destroy those precious 55 meter and 38 meter-tall statues, which for so long had towered up against the sandstone cliffs in what is called one of the world's most beautiful high-altitude valleys.

Even a thousand years ago, the statues were famous in China and Japan. So important were they in ancient times that rather than taking the direct route straight to India, the venerable Chinese Buddhist monk Xuanzang walked an extra thousand miles or so just to see them during his famous 7th century journey to India.

Sally Hovey Wriggins in her book, The Silk Road with Xuanzang, describes the monk's first sight of the famed statues:

Xuanzang's caravan prevailed against blizzards, mountain gods, and robbers and finally approached Bamiyan, an oasis town in the center of a long valley separating the chain of the Hindu Kush from that of the Koh-i-baba range...The first sight of the Great Buddha must have made the weary travelers gasp.-- Immense cliffs of a soft pastel color and behind them indigo peaks dusted with snow, rising to a height of 22,000 feet. They saw reddish cliffs in the cold, clear air; as they came closer, they could make out two gigantic statues of the Buddha standing in niches carved in the mountain. Closer still, they saw the two colossal figures were colored and glistening with ornaments; the smaller wore blue, the larger one red, and their faces and hands were gilded.

Once painted in ultramarine and carmine, the statues were as famous for their extravagant colors as they were for their size. It must have been a spectacular sight!

The ultramarine pigment used at Bamiyan was the same blue so adored by the Renaissance painters. The pigment is painstakingly derived from the lapis lazuli rocks mined from one place in northeast Afghanistan. The mines are located not far from Bamiyan; and from there, donkeys transported the expensive pigment in rough sacks over mountain ranges East into Central Asia and West to Venice and beyond.

DuccoIn Europe, the precious pigment was so valuable that it was worth more than its weight in gold, and the legendary painters of the Renaissance were often forced to wait till their patrons provided them the pigment before they could apply the heavenly blue to Mary's robes --for ultramarine had become the color associated with the Virgin Mary by that time (For more, see my post: Sacre Bleu 瑠璃色).

Bamiyan was long famous for being a conduit between East and West. Located on the trade route between India and Persia, the art of the region has had a tremendous influence on the artistic traditions of both the East and the West. So when, for example, Ikuo Hirayama--Japan's celebrated painter and Hiroshima survivor-- visited Bamiyan in 1968, he said he was going there in order "to seek the origins of Japanese culture and follow the way Buddhism diffused." For Bamiyan was at the very heart of things.

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But the Statues are gone. So, now what? 

Part of Mary Beard's Wonders of the World Series, I highly recommend The Buddhas of Bamiyan, by Llowelyn Morgan. In addition to the historical context, Morgan goes into some detail on the destructions of the statues and what he believes to be the Al-Qa'ida connection. It is very interesting--for according to Morgan, Afghani religious scholars, as well as a delegation of religious leaders from many Muslim states, were very clear in telling the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, that the destruction of the statues could never be sanctioned or explained by Islam. The statues were no longer objects of worship--they were relics.The leader of the Taliban himself had made it clear he had no intention to do harm to the statues not months before. So this "change of heart," says Morgan, can be traced back to Al-Qa'ida influence.

But what can be done now--at this point in time, now that the statues are gone? 

In general, I favor the Japanese National Treasures system of protecting cultural properties within the context of the nation-state. By designating National Treasures and Important Cultural Properties, certain works of art become protected by law (and thus cannot ever be sold as their preservation is safeguarded by the various nation-states who lay claim to them).  

Bamiyan, however, is unique in that the art works had such a profound influence both East and West to the extent that their significance utterly transcendends the current nation-state of Afghanistan. Like ancient Egyptian art, the art works are situated in a pre-Islamic culture that has little to do with the nation-state of that place today.  

We are reminded by the experts not to forget that along with these Buddhas, 2000 sculptures in what was left of the Kabul Museum were also smashed. So much has been lost. 

A German team was pushing for rebuilding the statues. Some think that if at least one of the statues can be pieced-back together again, they should be. It would cost something like $30 million to piece together the smaller one. UNESCO rejected this plan. 

Paris-based Afghani archaeologist, Dr. Zemaryalai Tarzi has another plan. Instead of re-building what is lost, Dr. Tarzi would like to unearth a third statue (said to be 1,000 feet long), which if it exists at all, has not been recorded as having been seen by anyone other than Xuanzang over a thousand years ago! If it does exist, it would be the biggest Reclining Buddha statue on earth. The only problem is that no one has seen it in over a 1000 years. Dr. Tarzi, however, remains undaunted. "Let's raise this new masterpiece from the earth and waive it in the face of the terrorists who destroyed our statues!" he says.

Another provocative idea was J. Otto Seibold's 2002 New Yorker proposal. I can't find an online reproduction of the image (here is a photo of a reproduction from Morgan's book). Seibold had suggested that two huge Buddhas be erected in Manhattan and two miniature twin towers be created in the empty niches at Bamiyan--this perhaps illuminating the notion of "spectacle" that connected the destruction of both the twin statues and the towers? ("Dynamite and Celebrity" says Morgan about Al Qa'ida). The miniature Twin Towers would be used to house refugees, thereby silencing the complaints that everyone cares more about the statues than the human beings who are hungry and were living in their shadows.

And, finally there was one more idea concerning how to replace what was lost.

A Japanese artist, Hiro Yamagata, a few years ago set in motion a plan to "re-store" the statues through laser technology --beaming images of the statues onto a cliff using $9 million solar and wind enerated technology. The plan never received UNESCO approval.

I loved the idea myself since --in the end-- the inherently ephemeral nature of a beam of light would bring home the idea that something precious and irreplaceable has been lost. And that there are some things that once gone can never be brought back again. Transience also being something appreciated by Buddism, I think it is both appropriate and poignant. 

In fact, I can't think of a better idea, can you?

Bamiyan 1973 below.

Posted by Leanne Ogasawara at 12:25 AM | Permalink

Comments

Mullah Zaeef, then ambassador of the Taliban to Pakistan in 'My life with the Taliban' tells of an interesting encounter with the Japanese who tried to intervene before the distruction and apparently manage to defeat him with his own arguments, which even he silently acknowledges. He writes:

Since they saw us as their forefathers and had followed us before, why had they not followed our example when we found the true religion, I asked them.

Furthermore, the Buddha statues are made out of stone by the hands of men. They hold no real value for religion, so why were they so anxious to preserve them? They did not like my first question, nor my second one. They argued that the ka'aba in Mecca was also made of stone and by the hands of men. God had not built the building. So why, they ask, do millions of Muslims go on pilgrimage each year to circumambulate it? [...] I did not reason with them for much longer, [...].

Posted by: jakob | Dec 17, 2012 8:32:33 AM

It's not just the Taliban who destroy parts of the world's cultural heritage.

Please let's remember that in India (a supposedly secular country) a centuries old mosque was destroyed by a mob with the support of a national political party because there was ALLEGEDLY a temple to a mythological character at that site. EVEN if it can be proven that the temple existed, there is NO EXCUSE to destroy a mosque in a "secular" state.

So why the fixation on Muslims?

Posted by: Kabir | Dec 17, 2012 9:05:11 AM

Leanne,

Thanks!

I did find it interesting that while the Dalai Lama—along with many other individuals, organizations and countries (Buddhist and otherwise)—expressed concern about the possible destruction of the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan, their subsequent demolition by the Taliban was used as an occasion to discuss the notion of impermanence, as many Buddhists were anger or overwrought about what had been lost. Indeed, impermanence, anitya (aniccā), is a pivotal doctrinal teaching in Buddhism, being one of the “three marks of existence” (trilaksana/ tilakkhna) and logically preceding the other two “marks:” duhkha (dukkha), “suffering, and anātman (anattā), “no-self.”

And, in spite of this lamentable act, unanticipated beneficial effects have followed:

“After the destruction of the Buddhas, 50 caves were revealed. In 12 of the caves, wall paintings were discovered. In December 2004, an international team of researchers stated the wall paintings at Bamiyan were painted between the 5th and the 9th centuries, rather than the 6th to 8th centuries, citing their analysis of radioactive isotopes contained in straw fibers found beneath the paintings. It is believed that the paintings were done by artists travelling on the Silk Road, the trade route between China and the West.
Scientists from the National Research Institute for Cultural Properties in Tokyo (Japan), the Centre of Research and Restoration of the French Museums-CNRS, the Getty Conservation Institute, and the ESRF (the European Synchrotron radiation facility) in Grenoble analysed samples from the paintings, typically less than 1 mm across. They discovered that the paint contained pigments such as vermilion (red mercury sulfide) and lead white (lead carbonate). These were mixed with a range of binders, including natural resins, gums (possibly animal skin glue or egg) and oils, probably derived from walnuts or poppies. Specifically, researchers identified drying oils from murals showing Buddhas in vermilion robes sitting cross-legged amid palm leaves and mythical creatures as being painted in the middle of the 7th century. It is believed that they are the oldest known surviving examples of oil painting, possibly predating oil painting in Europe by as much as six centuries. The discovery may lead to a reassessment of works in ancient ruins in Iran, China, Pakistan, Turkey and India.

Initial suspicion that the oils might be attributable to contamination from fingers, as the touching of the painting is encouraged in Buddhist tradition, was dispelled by spectroscopy and chromatography giving an unambiguous signal for the intentional use of drying oils rather than contaminants. Oils were discovered underneath layers of paint, unlike surface contaminants. Scientists also found the beginning section of the original Sanskrit Pratītyasamutpāda [‘chain of dependent origination/arsing’] Sutra translated by Xuanzang…. On 8 September 2008 archeologists searching for a legendary 300-metre statue at the site of the already dynamited Buddhas announced the discovery of an unknown 19-metre (62-foot) reclining Buddha, a pose representing Buddha's passage into nirvana.” (Wikipedia, sans hperlinks and citations)


Posted by: Patrick S. O'Donnell | Dec 17, 2012 9:31:25 AM

Leanne, how wonderful to see you here! A terrific inaugural post. The destruction of Bamiyan is a grave wound to the world, a monstrous act. Fifty years ago, the historian Arnold Toynbee, nearing his own death, had a few observations to make about the way big things were going. He said the rise in religiosity -- not religion but religiosity -- would be responsible for the most abhorrent worldwide changes in the century to come. That this would necessarily result from growing public ignorance.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Dec 17, 2012 10:06:48 AM

Thank you for this. A fascinating topic, and I like the tonal mixture of practicality and feeling you have working here.

Posted by: Mara | Dec 17, 2012 10:47:34 AM

In 1998 the Taliban had started threatening they would blow up the Bamiyan Buddha. I recall thinking even at that time that the UN should have sent a UN force for regime change.

Posted by: Raza Husain | Dec 17, 2012 10:49:13 AM

Hi Kabir,

You are so right that it is certainly not only the Taliban that destroys world heritage. My own interest is in Silk Road history and there (along with, say the Summer Palace in Beijing), it was Europeans who stole and/or destroyed cultural properties. At Kizil what were said to be the finest paintings in "Turkmenstan" were literally cut off the cave walls and put in a museum that was then bombed flat during WWII. So the paintings which were safe in their caves for a thousand years were utterly destroyed.

In Morgan's book too, he goes to some length to explain why Islam was actually not particularly destructive to art--despite the iconoclastic predilections.

In fact, because I completely agree with you that it is not at all so that only the Taliban that destroys art, I struggled to choose a word for describing the art-destroyers in the top paragraph. Time and HuffPost (in the articles linked above) used the word "Islamist." That word made me uncomfortable and when I asked around about it, I discovered it was a "made up word" by the media to point out "bad Muslims.' So, a friend (thanks N!) suggested "religious extremist. I was so grateful to him because I feel that word is more appropriate because there are extremists in all religions ----and nation-states. And, actually,in in the end, if Morgan is correct, this was not a religious act at all but a political act of "spectacle."

Thanks for your comment, Kabir... !!!!!!

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 10:58:01 AM

Thanks for your response Leanne!

I just feel that Muslims (or "Islamists") are blamed disproportionately these days--we're the current bogeyman.

The Taliban destroying the Bamiyan Buddhas is not categorically different from right-wing Hindus destroying the Babri Mosque. As you say, there are extremists in all religions.

Posted by: Kabir | Dec 17, 2012 11:43:25 AM

Hi,

"impermanence, anitya (aniccā), is a pivotal doctrinal teaching in Buddhism.." - Patrick O'Donell -

Let's face it, it's simple, but universal truth! And so be it! Whatever "reason" drove those who accomplished this infantile act, just to get world wide exposure through shocking the audience, well this in itself speaks volumes! However the statues are gone, so is the original founder of the buddhist philosophy, well let's move on, don't rebuild, build schools and shelter for the 30 mill. $ and think! A few statues don't make a buddhist and buddhism, nor will it's universal values ever expire without those statues and other things "lost forever"! We can only "lose things" which we cling to... so re-think and start loving this planet and stop it's rape! Or are there only one eyed cyclop's out there mourning the loss of two rock statues, while our whole existence is being threatened in the glory of "industrial growth and wealth" - whilst talking about "buddhist values", isn't it a wee bit kind of highly controversial, if not a comedy?

Posted by: MK | Dec 17, 2012 11:53:32 AM

The destruction of these Buddhist monuments should be termed “iconoclasm” (we might speak of ‘secular iconoclasm’ as well, as occurred, for example, during the French and Russian Revolutions) and it is common to the monotheistic Abrahamic religious traditions, owing to their conceptions of what makes for idolatry (it is not unconnected to ‘aniconism’ as well). Such ill-motivated ignorance took place under the Mughal ruler Aurangzeb (1618-1707), who destroyed numerous Hindu temples, famous or not (associated in part with those said to be opposed to his rule). Indeed, both Aurangzeb and Nāder Shāh Afshār (ruled as Shah of Iran and founder of the Afsharid dynasty) had earlier used artillery to bombard the great rock-carved Buddhas. Of course not all Mughal rulers were cut from the same cloth, so at the other, more tolerant and enlightened end of the spectrum, we find the likes of Jalāl-ud-dīn Muhammad Akbar (1542-1605), clearly deserving of the honorific appellation, “Great Mughal.” And the motivation for such destruction was not invariably or solely “religious” in any strict sense, but religio-legal justification or warrant was frequently invoked.

Thus the characterization of this destruction as a political act of “spectacle” strikes me as inadequate on its own, at least according to the avowed religious rationale offered by the Taliban themselves:

“On 6 March 2001 The Times quoted Mullah Mohammed Omar as stating, ‘Muslims should be proud of smashing idols. It has given praise to God that we have destroyed them.’ During a 13 March interview for Japan’s Mainichi Shimbun, Afghan Foreign Minister Wakil Ahmad Mutawakel stated that the destruction was anything but a retaliation against the international community for economic sanctions: ‘We are destroying the statues in accordance with Islamic law and it is purely a religious issue.’”

Among the Taliban, this involved (and still involves) a convoluted and ignorant conception of the meaning of idolatry (which said to involve Muslims praying to or through images; it does not mean a ban on images as such, for there are plenty of images of Muhammad, for example, in the history of Islamic art) in Islam, so I think it is safe to conclude that the motivation here had something to do with religious ideology, as at least a necessary part of any fuller explanation, even if we take on board the notion of “spectacle” to complicate the motivational structure, and even if we believe their interpretation of their tradition in this regard is ideologically motivated, self-serving, and wrong.

Posted by: Patrick S. O'Donnell | Dec 17, 2012 12:15:05 PM

Hi Kabir,

I totally agree. When I first moved to Japan in the early 90s, I felt the media portrayed Japan as a kind of "bogeyman"... remember the Asian values debate? And now, I really see it with China. It is without a doubt in corporate media's interest to exaggerate and use inflammatory headlines to sell. It is very sad to see really, since the job of the media should be to convey news ("just the facts, nothing but the facts"). In spring I will go to a conference to talk about "China in the Western media" and so that is really on my mind. The word "Islamist" did catch my attention for the reason you said too... :(

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 12:15:36 PM

Hi Patrick,

Yes, I don't know if you saw that a calendar was put out in Pakistan to glorify the destruction of the statues "in the name of Islam"? And, I agree that there are aspects to the three Abrahamic religions that would allow a *mis-reading* of what the texts say to lead to this kind of destruction. Morgan's book was only so-so on the art of Bamiyan. Where I think he did a great job was in the issue of iconoclasm and in this case showing the al qa'ida connection as politically motivated. --Like you said, using religion to gain political points. This is easier to do in Judiaism and Islam since there are passages in the texts that are indeed iconoclastic, but as the Islamic scholars told the Taliban, "the acts could not be sanctioned or validated by Islam" PS: Did you follow the link to see Seibold's proposition? This is interesting and to the point here.

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 12:30:23 PM

One thing iconoclasts can never take from the Human Life is something that is an instinct ~~~ earlier than organized religious affiliations. We have feet & this desire to walk,
to know, to go & find out, to seek. We are walkers.
Journeyers from the very beginning. I would build-construct-create a contemplative walking path
in the dimensions of the Buddhas.

Our feet being able to touch the good earth, to connect with our earliest Being. It is in the tradition of many contemplative philosophies...
to wonder about the transitory nature of things, to walk & wonder about what is good,
what is virtue, what is right action.

WHAT NOW FOR WE WHO STAND???
a slow circum~ambulata, the walking path.

--Athena

Posted by: Athena | Dec 17, 2012 1:28:37 PM

Thanks for your comments Jakob and MK!

In Morgan’s chapter:“Bamiyan, its future and its past,” he leads with the “ye dharma formula” (which I have never heard of before):

“Those phenomena which arise with a cause,
The Tathagata declared what is their cause
And what is their cessation.
This the great Mendicant has spoken.”

This idea is sweeping and makes everything that happens seem insignificant too, somehow, in the "cosmic" scheme of things.

When you look at art history, you just cannot help but be awed by the cycle of creation, destruction --and then often a re-creation. It is very human, isn't it? In Tokyo, so many of the greatest “sites” are post-War re-creations (since the whole city was bombed flat) and so it doesn't surprise me that the Japanese were working so hard behind the scenes to save the statues. My sister, who happens to be Chinese, said she felt baffled by a people who would be so heart-less to human beings (in China/Asia) while so impassioned when it came to statues. This has been said by the Afghans too: “the world cares so much for these statues but what about the people who are hungry and cold?” So, I tend to agree with MK that $30 million is not appropriate and the money could be better used to build schools.

I loved Athena’s comment too (above). In Java, the huge Borobudor complex is –like Bamiyan—also built as an iconographic itinerary. One walks—journeys—clockwise and rises up to experience “enlightenment” as depicted in the monument. Bamiyan was an “itinerary” or a psycho-physical pilgrim’s path. This was also so of the cave paintings in Western China. Pilgrims followed a path that would illuminate the teachings of their faith. So, maybe rather than wind-powered lasers creating a walk of emptiness would be another idea.. though of course, now we are getting back into dangerous territory.

Thanks, Jakob, for sharing that—as I hadn’t seen that reference before.


Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 1:54:04 PM

Barry Flood, a scholar of Islamic art, wrote what may be the earliest academic paper attempting to remove the destruction of the Buddhas from the popular media discourse of atavistic Islamic iconoclasm to one that acknowledges the Taliban in historic context.
The PDF is here for those interested.

Posted by: giotto | Dec 17, 2012 2:56:52 PM

I enjoyed the article Leanne.

In regard to the use of the word Islamist, I think it is perfectly suitable in the context of this article. The story is after all about statues destroyed by the Taliban, a militant, Islamic group. Whilst all religions destroy and have destroyed the symbols and temples of others, it does obfuscate this particular issue a little to use a broad term like 'religious extremist', when the facts of the issue point to particular actors, whom by their own admission, acted on religious grounds. In the same vain as Kabir labels "right-wing Hindus destroying the Babri Mosque", it does aid in narrowing the focus to particular religious actors in a world of multifarious religious actors. All religions are both good and bad and hopefully we can beyond not using the correct terminology in order to satisfy political correctness. The word Islamist does not necessarily have to be taken in a pejorative manner, although many do outside academia, and it definitely is not a "made up word" by the media to point out "bad Muslims"".

John Esposito, a professor of International Affairs and Islamic Studies who has written on religion for decades, defines it as "Islam interpreted as an ideology to support political and social activism". Coming from the polar-opposite end of the ideological spectrum, political scientist and former CIA analyst Graham Fuller defines it similarly, as "largely synonymous with political Islam — an effort to draw meaning out of Islam applicable to problems of contemporary governance, society, and politics". If you do indeed agree it was a 'political act of spectacle' by an self-defined Islamic group, then the use of the term is suitable.

Posted by: Troy | Dec 17, 2012 3:08:47 PM

Cheers Giotto. Yeah, I think Flood attempts to remove the destruction as an act of pure Islamic iconoclasm in a traditional sense but places it in the modern paradigm. Along with acknowledging it predominantly as a form of costly signalling to the West, he says "The edict that inspired the action and the various pronouncements that followed suggest, however, that the Taliban's iconoclastic outburst was a peculiarly modern phenomenon, an act that, under the cover of archaic justifications, functioned according to a very contemporary logic." This may go back to the point of Islamism as "an effort to draw meaning out of Islam applicable to problems of contemporary governance, society, and politics".

Posted by: Troy | Dec 17, 2012 3:42:50 PM

Hi Troy,

I am a translator and maybe have grown sensitive to words. For whatever reason that word, “Islamist” bothered me. It was what I used in the top paragraph in my draft of the article, but it somehow nagged at me. I think in the case of the destruction of the statues at Bamiyan or shrines at Timbuktu; as well as the Egyptian case, the word is used interchangeably by the media with Jihadist. And, I am not convinced it isn’t a made-up word by the media... I will poke around more to see what I can find out but we don’t really have a word to signify the “bad” kind of Christian do we? I think we tend to just call them by their sect or organization name and here too, I really don’t think Islamist is helpful since it implies that acts like this are encouraged under Islam. Morgan, in the book I keep mentioning, goes to some trouble to show why this is quite simply not true. I personally think religious extremist is the best term –unless you just say the political organization by its name; ie Taliban. Or like for example, with Westboro Baptist Church --the media always just calls them by their name since we lack a word to lump them in as “bad Christians.” They would say they are Bible literalists but I would call them hate-speechers....

That word (Islamist) did cause me angst, first as a gut reaction to the sound of the word but the more I thought about it, the more I disliked it... Did you follow my link to the post about the blue used in Mary’s robes and sacre bleu? Cheers.

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 5:32:44 PM

Wonderful post, Leanne. I happened to be in Japan shortly after the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas. It was indeed a very emotional issue for the Japanese. Mama Chiyo, the vivacious elderly owner of a wonderful traditional salon in a small town near Hiroshima was wholly distraught. Normally funny, laughing and cheerful, (I had met her before and knew the pride she felt about having made a pilgrimage to India in her youth) she first wept and then mentioned some unmentionable things that she wanted to do to the Taliban vandals.

I am not very well informed on religious iconoclasm and who destroyed what with greater enthusiasm. But I do find it intersting that despite centuries of Islamic reign in the region, the Bamiyan Buddhas survived unmolested. The Shia Hazaras affectionately named the statues the "Big Neighbor" and the "Small Neighbor." It took the Taliban's brand of religious politics to destroy them. I was very sorry when the destruction happened but I agree with those who say that the money that may be spent on recreating them, in any form, is better spent on improving the lives of real people who live in the area.

It is interesting that you mention the politics of iconoclasm. Sometimes it can also be a shrewd business move. There is an interesting story (not sure whether apocryphal or based in truth) surrounding the Somnath Temple in western India, the site of numerous cycles of destruction and re-building. It seems that the original iconoclast to raid the temple, Mahmud of Ghazni, made a bundle from the Caliphate of the time by claiming that the idol of the deity housed at Somnath was one from the pantheon of pre-Islamic Kaaba that had escaped destruction. Ghazni promised to erase the last vestige of that pagan past and was rewarded handsomely for his troubles.

Even though I did say that I don't favor spectacular amounts of money spent in resurrecting ancient edifices or symbols from their rubble, I too would have walked an extra few miles to see them if the Buddhas of Bamiyan were still around.

Posted by: Ruchira | Dec 17, 2012 5:59:32 PM

Ruchira, I absolutely loved your comment! I re-read it several times. One of the great highlights of my entire life was visiting Kashmir. I just loved the place and am so happy I visited it when I did—when it was still peaceful and like a slice of paradise. Kabul and Bamiyan, I bet, are just as spectacular. Bamiyan especially is said to be one of the most scenic spots on earth..... so I can also imagine myself walking 1000 miles out of the way to see it.

I didn’t mention this in my post but one of my best friends in Japan was also deeply upset like your friend by the destruction of the statues. In 2007, we were cherry blossom viewing—walking under a tunnel of blossoms—and she started to cry.. Tears streamed down her cheeks, “how could they do it?” Six years after the fact, that happened. That year in Japan, NHK had aired this amazingly popular series on Japan’s most loved Buddhist statues. People voted and NHK received hundreds of thousands of letters of people talking about the way certain states were part of their lives...The series was 6 hours long! There is a deep veneration for the statues, or Butsuzo, but there is also a kind of friendliness or nearness too. Like you said, “big neighbor.”

And Morgan in his book makes precisely that point, Ruchira. Destroying the statues was “business” not religion.... and indeed, those statues had survived 1400 years there.

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 6:34:04 PM

Quick hits ... interesting piece AND comments, which all make an effort to engage the substance - how rare ... ... as Troy points out, there's really nothing wrong with using the word "Islamist" - it's a POLITICAL term, not a religious one ... in fact, the most denotatively and connotatively correct term is one alluded to, but not really examined: political Islam ... I have written stuff about political Islam / militant Hindu nationalism [ BJP / RSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh ] / US Christian right / hilltop settlers in Israel / re-militarizers in Japan [ eg, Ishihara for sure, and, covertly at least, Abe, who, I have no doubt, will resume the infamous August visits to Yasukuni ] all under the rubric of RIGHT-WING "RELIGION" ... much to ponder here, and will do so until next comments ... ... great stuff, Leanne ... ... congratulations ... ...

Posted by: David Caploe | Dec 17, 2012 6:41:54 PM

Wonderful post and interesting comments. Thanks, Leanne. Looking forward to more.

Posted by: R Alexander | Dec 17, 2012 8:46:31 PM

Thank you for the reply Leanne and I do take your point, it is a subjective topic with highly contested definitions. Also, the media tend to sensationalize and conflate the vernacular with totally unrelated and 'loaded' words and meanings. It is an interesting topic. That said the term is three centuries old and academia has used the current meaning of the word for decades, much of it free of any pejorative connotation and many Islamist groups self-identify with the word. I think we need to write to the highest common denominator and expect the reader to differentiate between an Islamist and a Jihadist, or alternatively clearly define your understanding of the term.

This article by Martin Kramer attempts to unpack the word.

http://www.meforum.org/541/coming-to-terms-fundamentalists-or-islamists

I'm not sure if broadly labeling a group "religious extremist", when that group clearly belongs to one religion, and acts in the name of it, is the right way to go forward. It is beneficial to know "right-wing Hindus" as Kabir said destroyed the Babri Mosque, because it adds context and helps better understand the situation. Saying that the religious extremism of the Bharatiya Janata Party with the help of karsevaks perpetrated the destruction does not convey the sense of Hindu nationalism involved. Unless of course you are well versed in Indian politics. Much the same as Christian fundamentalist, millenarianialist, biblical literalism or right-wing christian are used to define differing groups and people accurately. Another problem may be, does this broad labeling go beyond religion? Would the Red Army Faction be labelled ideological extremists and forgo the more accurate definition of Communist or Marxist-Leninist?

Anyway thank you for the discussion.

Posted by: Troy | Dec 17, 2012 9:14:51 PM

Sorry Leanne, but one more point. The word religious 'extremist' conveys an arguably more pejorative connotation (although it does broaden it to all religions) than Islamist, which (although narrowing the focus) has a more benign definition of political Islam.

Posted by: Troy | Dec 17, 2012 9:35:12 PM

Hi Troy,

I don't want to get into a debate over the term since I am mainly a China-Japan person so this is not my field. If you say the term is a-okay, then I believe you. My own thought process --such as it was--was:
1) I was trying to be pejorative in my description
2) As I wrote, I noticed that the media was using two words: Jihadist and Islamist inter-changeably.
3) I remember when I left America two decades ago, the term "Islamic fundamentalist" was the word of choice... not to show my age but I found I rather preferred that term since, of course, we could use it for Christians so it felt familiar to me in two ways...
Also, the *word* Islamist might be 300 years old but the term is quite new--as the article you pointed to explained. Previously the term just meant "Islam religion" イスラム教
4) So not happy with this term and asking around a friend suggested as a tentative choice, religious extremist... This was only tentative.
5) Myself, for now, I prefer those terms, but I am open....that is, this really is not my field and so I wouldn't debate.

and 6) No need to say sorry... I was very, very happy you engaged me on this topic. Thank you!

I downloaded Giotto's recommended file for later--thanks Giotto so much. cheers!!

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 17, 2012 11:28:09 PM

Most (all?) of the comments are contorted arguments to show that the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas are somehow "not sanctioned by Islam". This of course ignores a long and vigorous tradition of iconoclasm and religiously motivated war in Islam.

Of course, thats not to say that religion is the only motivation. Surely, and act can have multiple motivations?

Now that the commenters have absolved Islamic thought of all responsibility, can we get down to discussing what actually motivated the Taliban?

Posted by: Sundar | Dec 18, 2012 8:21:05 AM

Hi Leanne, I did check out Mary’s robes and 'sacre bleu', it is amazing the universality of the sacred. The things that the seemingly polar-opposite do actually have in common...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/108-Lapis-lazuli-Beads-Buddhist-Prayer-Mala-Necklace-/220755246292

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lapis-Lazuli-Islamic-Muslim-33-Prayer-beads-YT41-/380393821922

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Sterling-925-Silver-Lapis-lazuli-Beads-Rosary-Crucifix-Catholic-Necklace-/261048090717

http://www.ebay.com/itm/63mm-715CT-GANESHA-HUGE-LAPIS-LAZULI-STATUE-INDIA-HINDU-/290604379763

http://www.ebay.com/itm/925-STERLING-SILVER-LAPIS-LAZULI-JEWISH-STAR-DAVID-PENDANT-/330809369620?pt=Fashion_Jewelry&hash=item4d05c66414&ssPageName=RSS:B:SHOP:US:101

Posted by: Troy | Dec 18, 2012 9:14:05 AM

But it's likely they are all a sham.

http://reviews.ebay.com.au/Turquoise-amp-Lapis-Lazuli-etc-How-to-avoid-the-fakes?ugid=10000000000817837

Posted by: Troy | Dec 18, 2012 9:24:52 AM

Sundar,

It seems you are not a careful reader.

Posted by: Patrick S. O'Donnell | Dec 18, 2012 9:41:32 AM

I agree with the laser-projection prposal. Hologram Bamiyans would be a good idea.

Posted by: cvj | Dec 19, 2012 11:28:55 AM

I think so too, CVJ! Though I suppose one could argue even a hologram can be considered an "icon." So perhaps better to build schools. In fact, though the thread got off on an interesting tangent about the politics of a word, I am actually very interested in the concept of iconoclasm and of icons. Judaism and Islam, I think, are fairly cut and dry on this topic. Christianity walks a much more ambiguous line with the Orthodox fully embracing icons ---and there are some who might even argue that the Eucharist is a kind of "icon." Thanks so much for reading!!!

Posted by: Leanne Ogasawara | Dec 19, 2012 3:42:10 PM

Timbuktu mausoleums 'destroyed'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20833010

Posted by: Troy | Dec 23, 2012 7:46:22 PM

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