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June 21, 2012

Greece and the Rest of Us

GreeceDiscussionOver at the NYRB's blog, Paul Krugman, George Soros, Jeffrey D. Sachs, and Edmund S. Phelps discuss:

Edmund Phelps: People see the fix that Greece is in as a moral parable that is a warning to the rest of the West. But the parable has flaws or mistakes in it. It’s far too crude to lay the crisis in Greece on an over-large welfare state, or on pandering after the votes of public employees. Germany, Holland, and Sweden have the lowest unemployment rates in Europe, despite huge welfare programs and well-paid civil servants, too. They’re saved by their horror of under-taxation. There is no such horror among the Greeks. Greece allowed its public debt and its public outlays to soar in relation to tax revenue. So the correct moral to be drawn here is spend what you like, but pay your bills on time.

Now, press reports tell us that ordinary citizens in Greece did not know of [their government’s] now scandalous under-reporting of the under-taxation. The reports say that the crisis results from—or they imply that the crisis results from—the unpreparedness of the country to determine how the costs ought to be shared and the benefits adjusted. Tax increases or roll-backs of civil service pay, or some give-backs in pensions for a while, or what? Everybody is at loggerheads. So I think the correct moral of this story is do not keep the truth from the public. We need openness, transparency. It has nothing to do with the size of the welfare state or [the level of] pay for civil servants.

Posted by Robin Varghese at 07:29 AM | Permalink

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I found it prety superficial; especially Sachs's contribution hardly surpasses the level of bar-room analysis, with truisms taking the place of rigorous analysis.

Posted by: Foppe | Jun 21, 2012 7:41:45 AM

The Greeks... the Greeks... we keep being told it's "the Greeks" fault. A few distinctions need to be drawn because "Greeks" casts a rather wide net of blame.

IMF boss Christine Lagarde indulged in similar generalized criticism (even though she pays zero tax on her hefty income) when she pointed a finger on the tax issue.

Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras rightly fired back that Greek workers did and do in fact pay their taxes and recommended that for more insight on tax evasion Lagarde speak to Pasok and New Democracy who led former governments.

The chief culprits when it came to tax evasion leading up to the crisis in that country were the wealthy and middle class professionals who pulled all manner of dodges to minimize their tax liabilities.

Posted by: j_93 | Jun 23, 2012 11:15:50 PM

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