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December 12, 2011

The Case Against Santa

by Scott F. Aikin and Robert B. Talisse Santa

As we have noted previously on this blog, Christmas is a drag.  The holiday’s norms and founding mythologies are repugnant, especially when compared to its more humane cousin, Thanksgiving.  The story of the nativity doesn’t make much sense; moreover, it seems odd to celebrate an occasion that involved the slaughter of innocent children.  And the other founding myth - the myth of Santa and the North Pole - is one of a morally tone-deaf autocrat who delivers toys to the children of well-off parents rather than life-saving basic goods to the most needy.  But, when you think about it, the Santa myth is far worse than even that. 

To start, the Christmas mythology has it that Santa is a being who is morally omniscient - he knows whether we are bad or good, and in fact keeps a record of our acts.  Additionally he is somnically omniscient – he sees us when we’re sleeping, he knows when we’re awake.  Santa has unacceptable capacities for monitoring our actions, and he exercises them!  In a similar vein, Santa takes himself to be entitled to enter our homes, in the night and while we’re not looking, despite the fact that we have locked the doors.  In other words, Santa does not respect our privacy.  He watches us, constantly. 

This is important because the moral value of our actions is largely determined by our motives for performing them.  Performing the action that morality requires is surely good; however, when the morally required act is performed for the wrong reasons, the morality of the act is diminished.  Acting for the right reasons is a condition for being worthy of moral praise; and, correlatively, the blame that follows a morally wrong action is properly mitigated when the agent can show the purity of her motives. 

The trouble with Santa’s surveillance is that it affects our motives.  When we know that we are being watched by an omniscient judge looking to mete out rewards and punishments, we find ourselves with strong reasons to act for the sake of getting the reward and avoiding the punishment.  But in order for our actions to have moral worth, they must be motivated by moral reasons, rather than narrowly self-interested ones.   In short, under Santa’s watchful eye, our motivations become clouded, and so does the morality of our actions. 

The exclamation at the end of Santa Claus is Coming to Town captures the moral ambiguity that the Santa myth imposes on us: “You better be good for goodness sake.” Could there be a more confused moral prescription?  On the one hand, if the expression aims to exhort us to act on the basis of properly moral motives (for the sake of goodness itself), then the Myth of Santa undercuts our reasons to be moral.  Apparently, the account runs as follows: Santa keeps tabs on what you do and when you sleep.  He will punish or reward you on the basis of your performance.  So you should be good for purely moral motives.  The trouble, again, is that after having given a variety of non-moral, strictly self-interested reasons to act, it is a perfect non sequitur to conclude that we must act on the basis of purely moral motives.  In fact, if we’re right, the Santa myth undermines the idea that we should act on the basis of our moral reasons.  By accepting the Santa myth, then, we nearly ensure that we will not be good.  

On the other hand, the expression “be good for goodness sake” may be simply a form of emphatic interjection, like “Do your homework, for Chrissakes!” or “Exercise and eat right, for Pete’s sake!”  And in light of the story of Santa’s monitoring practices and the consequent rewards and punishments, this interpretation seems more in keeping with the overall Santa myth, and seems like a more psychologically plausible bit of advice.  This reading, however, embraces the usurpation of moral motivation.  It impels its listener to be bribed for good behavior; in fact, it places bribery at the heart of morality.

So far, we’ve presented a broadly moral argument against Santa.  He doesn’t respect our privacy, and our knowledge of that fact, in light of his role in punishing and rewarding us, distorts our moral motives.  Yet he seems to require that our motives be pure.  Santa is thus a moral torturer: he punishes those who are not good, and then imposes a system of incentives and encouragements that go a long way towards ensuring that everyone will fail at goodness.

To our moral argument there could be added a theological critique of Santa.  The problem with Santa Claus from a religious perspective is that he is presented in the mythology as a kind of god.  Like the gods of the familiar forms of monotheism, Santa is morally omniscient.  He rewards the good and punishes the evil.  Moreover, he performs yearly miracles of bounty that, at least by our lights, put Jesus’ miracle of the fishes and loaves to shame.  In other words, Santa Claus can be no mere man; accordingly, the Santa mythology implies a Santa theology.  And monotheists should be alarmed.  We know that Yahweh is a jealous god, and encouraging children to propitiate Santa with their moral behavior sounds very much like the sort of thing that makes a jealous god very, very angry.  Imagine Moses’ frustration with the Israelites were he to come back from the mountain to find them telling Santa stories instead of only worshipping a golden calf.  It seems to us that taking the first commandments seriously (the ones about worshipping only the god of Moses) should be a source of moral concern about the Santa myth.  Christian parents that embrace the Santa myth make idolaters of their children.

We, the authors, are atheists.  We deny Santa’s existence, and Yahweh’s, too.  The case we’re pressing against Santa here is analogous to the famous argument from evil.  (We think the argument applies to Yahweh, too; but that’s a different story.)  It works on Santa because he is a morally objectionable entity who is supposed to be intrinsically good, and intrinsically good yet bad entities do not exist.  There is, of course, much more to say about the moral case against Santa. To repeat: he uses his miraculous production capacities to make toys instead of things that contribute to lasting welfare; he uses his monitoring capacities to keep track of the things people do, but does not see fit to prevent morally horrible things, assist the victims of crimes, or report criminals to the authorities.  And so, not only does Santa Claus not exist, it’s a good thing, too.  The questions that remain are why the myth of Santa persists, and why a major holiday is partially focused on such a despicable character.

Posted by Scott F. Aikin and Robert B. Talisse at 12:15 AM | Permalink

Comments

"its more humane cousin, Thanksgiving". In what sense "humane"? Ask the turkeys/chickens/geese/lambs/cows/....for which they would prefer to die.

Posted by: rita | Dec 12, 2011 5:22:06 AM

Most children figure out pretty easily what is expected of them. They learn to pretend to be good by imitating the behavior that is considered good for children by the adults around them. Faking it is the American way and Chirstmas is one of the schools in which it is tought.

Posted by: Larry | Dec 12, 2011 8:27:25 AM

Even worse, Santa is traveling with Krampus:

http://krampus.com/

Posted by: Louise Gordon | Dec 12, 2011 9:44:36 AM

Sounds good in theory, but there's one problem with this philosophically sound analysis: there's no evidence. An anthropological case would go to the natives and ask Santa for HIS perspective. Fortunately, we have a readily available memoir by Santa himself on hand. This piece should provide a credible narrative that partly confirms and partly contests Aikin and Talisse's data-challenged theory: http://www.philipgraham.net/2011/12/the-man-behind-the-beard-santa-confesses/

Posted by: JP | Dec 12, 2011 10:38:25 AM

Is this a rant against the lyrics of a silly song or against mythological roots of a harvest festival figure?
You should really go after figures like Superman. I mean seriously, a man with super-strength who can fly!? Oh the absurdity!!
Let's make signs and take this to the streets!

Posted by: beajerry | Dec 12, 2011 11:28:46 AM

@ Rita: Barnyard animals have no feelings. If there were no humans to kill and eat them, then other animals would or they might stave to death if the population rises above the level which the environment could provide the population sustenance.

If you have a problem with consuming once living things, why draw the line at animals? Is it due to the fact you can look at the faces an imagine some anthropomorphism going on?

If you have a problem with the slaughter of living things, then the entire animal kingdom and the whole circle of life in biology should equally be within your scorn & condemnation.

Furthermore, if you have some moral or other problem with consuming living things in order to survive, why would you feel OK consuming plants? According to some studies, plants also have some reactions to their environment, etc.

If you don't want to consume living things on moral grounds, may I suggest to be morally honest that you consume rocks, dirt, and bodily fluids that are non-microscopic animal bearing. Let me know how long you survive on that.

Posted by: Santa | Dec 12, 2011 11:57:12 AM

Beajerry-- Nice reading skills. No one is invested in telling children the lie that Superman is real. But we tell our kids at there's a Santa. And Santa's a moral doofus. That's the objection. Duh.

Posted by: Fuzzz | Dec 12, 2011 12:34:51 PM

Santa wrote:
Barnyard animals have no feelings. If there were no humans to kill and eat them, then other animals would or they might stave to death if the population rises above the level which the environment could provide the population sustenance.

While the second sentence is true, the first sentence is bizarre, and has no connection to the rest of what you say. You really think animals have no "feelings", despite having all the same brain regions and behaviors we associate with "feelings" in humans? You don't think human "feelings" are the result of an evolutionary process that goes back a lot further than the evolution of Homo sapiens? And yes, plants have some basic reaction to their environment, but it's reasonable to think the complexity of "feelings" has something to do with the complexity of the information-processing system involved, after all our spinal cord can react to pain too but we don't actually feel anything consciously until the signal reaches the cortex.

The point about there being plenty of killing and suffering in nature is a better argument (though one could still argue we should avoid adding to it), it's why I don't have a problem eating meat in cases where animals are raised in conditions not too different from what they might experience in the wild. But I try to avoid factory-farmed stuff, it's reasonable to think the life of a factory-farmed is a lot worse than what an animal would typically experience in the wild.

Posted by: Jesse M. | Dec 12, 2011 12:52:22 PM

Fuzzz, let's look up the word "literal" together.

Posted by: beajerry | Dec 12, 2011 1:15:16 PM

I like the piece, but I must say that the founding mythologies of Thanksgiving are at least as are repugnant as those for Christmas, if not more so. The American Thanksgiving story is, essential, a national creation story that serves as an apologia for the colonial dispossession of Indigenous peoples.

Posted by: Akim Reinhardt | Dec 12, 2011 2:04:55 PM

beajerry, let's do so. Still your Superman analogy is a false one, and so your response to the piece is useless.

Posted by: Fuzzz | Dec 12, 2011 3:36:11 PM

you joyless autocratic ninnies sound more like first year critical theory students than anything 3quarks would fancy itself purveying upon the ignoble masses. get a subject matter that's worthy of this treatment. meh.

Posted by: fatsantas1101 | Dec 12, 2011 4:16:10 PM


@ Scott F. Aikin and Robert B. Talisse, moral philosophers, extraordinaire.

Jesus Christ! Give me a break!

This analysis is about as clever as I might expect from a high school sophomore. Could you pick an easier target for your predictable pot shots? Is anyone greatly, or even mildly, enlightened by your deep philosophical and theological pondering.

Oh, and by the way, you haven't the foggiest about the Western origins and significance of Santa Claus. Was anyone so deceived by the myths of SC that society is saved from cultural and moral dross with your penetrating expose.

I can't wait to read your incisive and insightful piece on the Easter Bunny. You'll probably get that one wrong, too.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 12, 2011 6:02:14 PM


@ Scott & Bob:

Here's my favorite line, "We, the authors, are atheists. We deny Santa’s existence, and Yahweh’s, too."

Now there's a revelatory confession if ever I heard one. It's about as relevant, informative, and mature as I would expect from a six year old who still believes in Saint Nick.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 12, 2011 6:10:10 PM

Norman, chill out. When academically-minded writers engage in weighty analysis of essentially ridiculous subjects, there is usually an element of tongue-in-cheek involved (see also the physics of Santa Claus). Of course the piece probably also functions as a metaphor for the serious problems with basing morality on rewards and punishment from God, but I doubt they're serious about the suggestion that the Santa myth is a corrupting moral influence on children.

Posted by: Jesse M. | Dec 12, 2011 6:45:08 PM

Bring back Saturnalia - hell, you've already got a tree in your house. And see off that usurper Saint Nick and thoroughly embrace the veneration of the Lapp Sasquatch that is the true Santa!

Posted by: weaver | Dec 12, 2011 8:59:35 PM

Norman Costa is also a fool. The "Western origins and significance of Santa Claus" is irrelevant. And the authors make the point about denying Santa's existence (and God's) not as a purportedly contentful confession, but as a way of setting up the point of the final paragraph (which is the point of the whole piece, it seems to me): the case against Santa is analogous with a traditional case against God.

Posted by: Fuzzz | Dec 12, 2011 9:36:20 PM

Norman, relax. It's a fun piece that works at its level. Jesse is right.

Weaver, the wonderful thing about Christmas, sorry, Yule, is that it is possible to celebrate it in a way in keeping with broader cultural expectations without any Christian elements at all. My only regret is that my favourite carols are the explicitly Christian ones (I seem to remember Dawkins has this problem too).

Easter's good for this too.

Posted by: Sagredo | Dec 12, 2011 9:48:24 PM

Decades ago, I read a sci-fi story in which aliens were assessing Christianity. "It is but the latest of their deophagous religions," Alien One said to Alien Two. Indeed. There are religions in which you eat the enemy, and those in which you eat the God. You can take a very reductive view of almost everything anyone has ever believed, and compare it to something like itself, the better to belittle it. You can argue that the image of the lactating Virgin and the Christ Child was not new, but went back to a Greek prototype of Hera Kourotrophos. Making fun of all this in the cold light of reason is less, however, than marveling that the human imagination cleaves to forms and thoughts, and to thought-forms, that are -- somehow -- enduringly meaningful.

We have been intelligent enough, since our beginnings, to face, with consciousness, certain problems: How best to live? How to find the needful courage and to fortify ourselves when we cannot? How to decide the hardest things? How to love our fate, or to love the Awful Uncreated One who dishes it out? Pondering these things is an exclusively human luxury, and we should treasure every last trace of it, for it will be gone soon enough. Gone and unremembered. No beings, no belief systems. Until then, all of us, atheists included, will believe things that an unachievable system of logic would forbid.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Dec 12, 2011 10:39:18 PM


Did I miss the joke? Is the joke on me?

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 13, 2011 1:27:49 AM

I learned last night that Seth Rogen, one of the authors of the teen blockbuster "Super Bad," was 13 when he co-wrote it with a childhood friend. Naturally, the level of humor reflects that. 12-13 is usually the age at which young people convert into becoming Athiests. It's an age where personal wisdom and the ability to decide what is truth and what is not reveals itself as the most powerful force in an otherwise uncontrollable and suddenly absurd life.

The argument against Santa here seems to settle at that level. Nothing wrong with it, just not especially enlightened, enlightening, or adorable. Kind of like that twisted kid next door in Toy Story 1.

Posted by: Carlos | Dec 13, 2011 12:22:27 PM

Convert? I never had to "convert".

Posted by: Reader | Dec 13, 2011 1:19:50 PM

Norman, I think you were being funny, and sending up a crotchety person response to the Santa take-down. Some people don't get it. I on the other hand am perfectly serious. Potshots at mythology miss the point, which is the truth behind myths, the truth that speaks to the human condition. And I am completely on the level in my contention that atheists take an awful lot on faith.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Dec 13, 2011 2:50:30 PM


@ Elatia:

Thanks. It was clear to me how dead serious you were. I agree. As usual, I could not have said it better. More crotchety, perhaps.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 13, 2011 5:24:36 PM


@ Carlos:

I never saw Toy Story 1. Now I gotta see it to satisfy my curiosity.

Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 13, 2011 5:32:31 PM

Barring the house-breaking and gifting of toys vs. items of welfare, all the problems you have cited for Santa, apply in equal measure to Jesus or any other divine figure who supposedly metes out judgement. He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient (3 times worse than Santa!), he can see everything we do and gives us no privacy and he too never bothers to help those in need or prevent evil in the world. The reward for good behaviour is Heaven and bad behaviour gets punished in Hell. While we are supposed to be morally good for the sake of it, we are in fact, being bribed to be so by the promise of heaven and fear of hell. You are right when you say Santa is god-like, but then, you have to admit that God is Santa-like considering all the philosophical similarities! God is perhaps just a for-adults version of Santa!

Posted by: Urvi | Dec 14, 2011 4:09:15 AM


Step right up, ladies and gentlemen, and pick your very own low hanging fruit. Everyone will marvel at your powers of discernment. Amaze your friends. Confuse your enemies. Become the first on your block to say something obvious and be thought profound. You couldn't get away with this stuff on 3QD before, but now you can. Act now before supplies of aphorisms and straw men run out.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 14, 2011 9:36:43 AM

Maybe next time the gentlemen will cover B. F. Skinner's reinforcing stimuli and aversive stimuli, then take us on a journey through utopian Walden II.

Posted by: Louise Gordon | Dec 14, 2011 5:31:19 PM

Three cheers for self-appointed arbiters of depth and profundity who think it's a criticism of a post simply to say it "misses the point" and misunderstands matters it does not attempt to address (like the "the Western origins and significance of Santa"). It would be nice to see fools like Norman Costa and Elatia Harris actually make a comment about what's in the post. But, alas, then they'd have nothing to say after all.

Posted by: fuzzz | Dec 14, 2011 6:44:00 PM

I never really believed in Santa. Although every year we'd work on the Coca-Cola ads, sticking needles in the dots of the picture of Santa. There were always different Santas at all the stores, so that kind of gave it away, even for a four-year-old kid.

Here is Chuck Berry doing Run, Run Rudolph. Now we can all sing together instead of insulting one another further.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCTeXUkTFwQ

Posted by: Louise Gordon | Dec 14, 2011 8:46:33 PM

Good thinking, Louise! Fuzzz, has anyone ever told you it's cool to insult people only if you use your real name? Kinda wish you'd own up. There's no point in dialogue otherwise, and name-calling while pseudonymous is a pretty 8th grade thing to do. But Merry Xmas anyhow!

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Dec 14, 2011 9:28:37 PM


@ Fuzzz:

I can't speak for anyone else, but this fool did "...actually make a comment about what's in the post."

Uh,...the post discusses:

1.) Santa as a founding myth for the celebration of Christmas,
2.) Santa with characteristics like moral omniscience,
3.) the philosophy and theology of Santa,
4.) Santa as competitor to a jealous God (Yahweh,)
5.) the impact of Santa on motivation as it relates to responsibility and mitigation,
6.) the argument against Santa as analogous to the argument from evil, and
7.) the self congratulatory denial of Santa's existence.

To my critique that the authors/philosophers had no understanding of the Western origins or significance of Santa Claus, you write:

"The "Western origins and significance of Santa Claus" is irrelevant."

Sincerely yours,

Fool for Santa.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 14, 2011 10:43:42 PM


@ Louise:

Ah! A great alternative to "Jingle Bell Rock." Love Chuck Berry.

Merry Christmas

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 14, 2011 11:57:17 PM

"Bah! Humbug!"

Posted by: aguy109 | Dec 15, 2011 8:59:29 AM

Norman Costa is dimmer than even I figured. Apologies. In calling for you to "actually make a comment about what's in the post," I meant to call for you to make a comment about the argument that's presented in the post. You have yet to do so. And that you think it's a "critique" of the post to assert that the authors have "no understanding of the Western origins or significance of Santa Claus," is a real laugh. The authors don't claim to have any such understanding (so how is saying that they don't a critique?), nothing they've said suggests that they do *not* have such understanding anyway (so your alleged "critique" is unsubstantiated) , and, most importantly, nothing in the piece turns on "the Western origins of significance of Santa Claus" (so your alleged critique is irrelevant). Maybe you'd do well to learn something before appointing yourself arbiter of depth and profundity on a blog?

Posted by: Fuzzz | Dec 15, 2011 3:46:14 PM

Elatia Harris: Nice sophomoric attempt to deflect attention away from criticisms you can't answer! Nice way to at once place yourself above name-calling while then engaging in it! I see from your earlier post that you take yourself to be above "unachievable system[s] of logic"; it seems you've also released yourself from the achievable kind as well.

Posted by: Fuzzz | Dec 15, 2011 3:53:38 PM

Fuzzz, I'm kinda worried you cannot read now, but you have a finely developed ability to make wild inferences. I can answer your criticisms, but I made a policy decision a while back to seriously limit engagement with commenters who don't use their real names. I make an exception for bloggers who use a nom de blog -- their blogs say who they are, essentially. But to get in complex interactions with people who feel free to name- call, and be otherwise hostile, anonymously, is a waste of time. You might as well stop provoking me -- it doesn't work. And I hope you have better things to do. Merry Xmas!

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Dec 15, 2011 4:55:00 PM

Fuzz wrote:
Elatia Harris: Nice sophomoric attempt to deflect attention away from criticisms you can't answer

This is all an elaborate meta-gag, right? Because if you're serious, it's kind of hard not to notice that you didn't make a single substantive criticism of anything Elatia said, you just made the trollish comment "It would be nice to see fools like Norman Costa and Elatia Harris actually make a comment about what's in the post". What do you think that you and Elatia disagree about, precisely?

Posted by: Jesse M. | Dec 15, 2011 6:57:36 PM


@ Fuzzz:

Your penchant for anonymity while being a name caller leads me to think you're just Scott's and Robert's bitch. Come on. Do it right. Uncloak yourself. Show you have style.

Leaving myself out of the equation, all the regulars at 3QD (readers, authors, and management) know that Elatia Harris is one of the most respected writers in this forum, and offers posts and commentary that are hard to match in substance, insight, incisiveness, and persuasiveness.

Your continued inability to recognize the depth of her observations and thinking does not go unnoticed by people whose discernment you can only aspire to - maybe.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 15, 2011 7:21:31 PM

I'm disappointed the educated folks here are so down on this, because I think there are some interesting questions concerning the relationship between Santa and monotheism. For instance, I assume such a figure would not be acceptable in either Islam or Judaism.

Santa seems to get away with it in Christianity because Christianity has saints and in at least one branch even allows some kind of "veneration" of them. So Father Christmas sort of slots in as an unofficial "Saint Nicholas". In addition, the Santa Claus Is Coming to Town account of Santa reflects the judging function of the Christian God in a way that somehow doesn't compete with it. This Santa is popular with exasperated parents, no doubt. I don't approve of it for the same reason I don't approve of the judging god, just as the article suggests, because it is a lie. They are stories no child would want to believe in.

If you're looking for a Father Christmas with a moral message, look to Dickens' Ghost of Christmas Present. This is the opposite kind of mythology: presented as a story, it nevertheless tells the truth.

Posted by: Sagredo | Dec 16, 2011 12:12:39 AM


@ Salviati:

Call me educated, but, if there are interesting questions concerning the relationship between Santa and monotheism, I did not find them here. Scott's and Robert's article reminded me of three articles I read as a young adult. Two of them, each by a different Catholic priest, dealt with the character of Superman, and the character of Dennis the Menace, respectively. Superman was deemed morally objectionable because a mere mortal had been allocated powers that are reserved only for God. Dennis the Menace was found to be on the wrong side of Divine Law. The character's flaws of disrespect for authority, reveling in the plotting of his misdeeds, and the disgraceful display of schadenfreude with respect to Mr. Wilson were all more than any moral theology could bear.

The two priests believed they discovered interesting relationships - and dangerous ones at that - between the Man of Steel and the imp Dennis, on the one hand, and monotheism's Infinite Supreme Being Who made all things, on the other. They weren't interesting at all. They were puerile and embarrassing. No self-respecting Catholic moral theologian would be caught dead making the arguments and advancing the proscriptions of these two petulant and immature clerics.

The third article was in the magazine "Columbia," a publication of the Catholic lay organization, The Knights of Columbus. It was a complaint about the popularity, at that time, of the Transcendental Meditation (TM) movement. TM was nothing more, in the KofC view of the spiritual world, than prayer. Praying was something Catholics had been doing for almost two-thousand years. TM was stealing their show, prayer-wise. God was left out of the picture. Like the two intellectually attenuated priests, the author of the KofC article believed he was uncovering an interesting and competitive relationship between Godless TM and Christendom's monotheism. It was another ridiculous and embarrassing diatribe.

Regarding Scott's and Robert's piece, "The Case Against Santa," I am, again, embarrassed to see their relationships and distinctions with monotheism being elevated to the level of serious observation. I shudder and shake my head at the thought of writing a point-by-point critique of such - at best - lame thought. As others had suggested, it's not that they were wrong, but that it seemed hardly worth the effort.

Call me educated, but don't insult me with the clear suggestion that the educated folk among us are set apart in not finding something interesting in what you have identified as such, and that you find us disappointing in our lapse. I expect that from Bill O'Reilly, not from readers at 3QD.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Dec 16, 2011 1:42:55 AM

You don't get it.

Posted by: A Farther | Dec 16, 2011 10:05:12 AM

Really, do we have to be this cynical? Lighten up it's Christmas! You ovbiously have too much time on your hands!

Posted by: LuLu | Dec 16, 2011 10:19:26 AM

Here, here, Sagredo! I must agree: Dickens' "Christmas Carol", while rooted in christian culture, is a universal story about the value of human kindness. Even the warning of the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come touches on profoundly human values rather than appealing to a nebulous vengeful sky-god. Scrooge seeing his bleak future always brings a chill to my spine...and holds an ethical lesson for children far more valuable than any religious story.

Posted by: Bill | Dec 16, 2011 10:43:13 AM

The first bit – about not respecting privacy – was funny.

...then, the authors seem to start taking their argument a little bit too seriously.

Posted by: Deafdog | Dec 16, 2011 11:03:11 AM

Unfortunately, this "logical" dissertation is the natural result of what happens when intelligence overrides wisdom. Whenever we try to use limited human understanding to comprehend things far greater than the sum of humanity, we'll usually make these types of philosophical errors. Reason with the mind -- but understand with the heart. Look at the evidence of the world around you. I'm assuming from your thought structure that you most likely understand mathematical probability, correct? Actually do the calculations, then revisit your thesis and see if you can possibly find any support for it. True and well-reasoned philosophy must be based upon rules of observation and verification, not simply upon fear and desire to avoid what is uncomfortable to accept.

Posted by: gandorph | Dec 16, 2011 11:36:21 AM

Why Smartbrief would share your article is beyond me - must be desparate for fillers.
Your beliefs scream of your sad and empty lives.
I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: GB | Dec 16, 2011 12:01:14 PM

What a sad and depressing existence to take something essentially fun and innocent and bash it as bad. It's bad enough that Santa was twisted into a way to exploit the sale of retail goods. Now he's being exploited by atheists in order to push some "morale" agenda? If your an atheist was does it even mean to be "morale". Get a life.

Posted by: Really? | Dec 16, 2011 9:15:38 PM

Maybe Santa is Jesus grown up. Working both sides of the street if you will. Heaven/bycicle, Hell/lump of coal.

Posted by: joe | Dec 17, 2011 6:41:26 PM

and here I thought Santa was just about a bit of fun in the dark of the year - geez, people, get over yourselves.

Posted by: Barb | Dec 18, 2011 4:46:18 PM

Your diatribe would be more properly aimed at those who have "improved" the pure unvarnished original Christmas. In the same way humankind has "improved" Christendom since Christ's original model.
As for your outlook gentlefolk; all I can offer are my deepest, sincere sympathies and condolences.

Posted by: R.M.Nixon | Dec 21, 2011 10:05:06 AM

I never felt right telling my young son about Santa. The best case against Santa is that it is a terrible thing to lie to children. I couln't keep it up. By five he knew it was all nonsense. Religion too, of course.

Posted by: reader | Dec 21, 2011 10:12:49 AM

And what about the mass slaughter of evergreen trees this time of year? What if trees celebrated annually by hanging dead people from their limbs? The rebuttal of course is that tree farms grow them for this purpose, but in an era where we are decimating the planet's forests, what are we teaching? Why, for example, does the White House not just plant a beautiful spruce or fir and decorate it at Xmastime? In San Francisco, the Park and Recreation Dept. decorates the live cypress at Golden Gate park's entrance - just beautiful!

Posted by: rabar | Dec 21, 2011 5:36:24 PM

However much tongue-in-cheek this is, keep in mind that your context of a centuries-old icon is based on some pop lyrics written by English-language songwriters during the past 100 years. It's like writing about islam by basing your thoughts on a God-forsaken pastor in Florida (Terry Jones, in case you've forgotten). It's cheap and sleazy.

Posted by: Mikhail | Dec 22, 2011 10:32:29 AM

This sounds like a Kantian critique. If you take actions outside of a sense of duty and good will, you can't judge your act as moral. Being good to get gifts from Santa can't be judged as a moral act because you aren't doing it for your duty and good will, you are doing it for a reward. The same could be argued about being pious to get into heaven.

Posted by: dieselbug | Dec 24, 2011 10:11:11 PM

I like the critique. Sharing with friends.

I don't have a problem with giving incentives to be moral, for children. They usually understand moral terms in a very punishment-reward sort of way (at least at the ages where the Santa Ruse would be convincing).

I do find Santa-ism distracting from what I see as the value in the holiday - togetherness, showing affection for loved ones and booze. But to each their own.

Posted by: Epicurean | Dec 24, 2011 10:31:14 PM

Thanks for this. Glad to see I'm not the only one railing against Santa:

http://bluejaysway.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/the-worst-christmas-carol-ever/

Posted by: Bluejay | Dec 25, 2011 12:20:35 AM

"But in order for our actions to have moral worth, they must be motivated by moral reasons, rather than narrowly self-interested ones."

Absolutely disagree with this.

Posted by: Scott de B. | Dec 25, 2011 1:15:14 AM

Don't be silly. Children are the center of their own universe and only start to gain a sense of reason around the age of seven, which is more or less when most kids learn there is no Santa.

And as soon as they learn this awful truth, they are immediately on the other "team," obliged to help protect the secret for those younger children under them, not for the purpose of keeping them honest, but just to help preserve the magic for them.

If believing Santa's watching you does any harm at all in that time between ages four and seven, it gets more than cancelled out pretty quickly.

Posted by: A-gu | Dec 25, 2011 2:46:27 PM

>when the morally required act is performed for the wrong reasons, the morality of the act is diminished.

I find that discussing motivations in moral actions is completely pointless, given that our true mental states are unknowable to anyone outside us and often are unknowable to ourselves.

My moral actions come from a combination of shame, self-interest, and probably a little bit of compassion now then. But after a lifetime of neurotic self-examination I've given up trying to figure out why I do a good action towards another human being and simply rejoice that I actually got up the courage to do it somehow.

For me, the act itself and its worth to others is the only measurable thing you can take from a moral act. Which is why if you're doing something because you believe someone's watching, or if you do it because you have the very rare gift of true charity, it doesn't really matter. The world needs people to be good and do good. What a horror if we all had to rely only on people doing favors when they "felt" "personally" that it was the humane thing to do. There would be a WHOLE lot more suffering in the world.

Posted by: DF | Dec 25, 2011 3:43:43 PM

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