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December 29, 2011

Occupy Wall Street: what would Gandhi say?

Ruchira Gupta in The Guardian:

Occupy-Wall-Street-health-007As a citizen of India, and as a citizen of the world we all inhabit, I offer one of Gandhi's most basic ideas to those Occupying Wall Street. India is the world's biggest democracy and the US is the world's most powerful democracy. I know the actions of the United States profoundly affect my country's future – but I also know the reverse is true. The Occupy Wall Street movement was partly inspired by demonstrations in Cairo's Liberation Square – "March like an Egyptian!" was one of its slogans – and the peaceful demonstrators in Wall Street's Zucotti Park ate pizzas ordered on the web by supporters in Libya.

India gained independence without a war, something even the United States can't claim. This was largely due to Gandhi's understanding that the ends don't justify the means, the means are the ends; the means we choose dictate the ends we get. As this has come down to us, it is popularly understood as non-violence, but it went far deeper than that. After all, if actions are only against something, however unjust, the result will not satisfy people's need to see and taste and live and work for something that is just. Even if the negative effort wins, a new negative will replace it because a critical mass of people haven't learned to live in a positive way. Gandhi went so far as to say that civil disobedience is "worse than useless…without …constructive effort."

More here. (Note: The writer and dear friend Ruchi Gupta, the strongest advocate against sex trafficking in India and now worldwide, has certainly shown the way with her own constructive work which has won her a place as one of the 19 leaders in Clinton's Global Initiative)

Posted by Azra Raza at 05:32 AM | Permalink

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"the US is the world's most powerful democracy"

Not if democracy requires a free, not-for-profit press and not if a plutocracy is not a democracy.

"India gained independence without a war"

Gandhi is an example for us all. Thanks.

Posted by: Dredd | Dec 29, 2011 7:44:54 AM

Norman Finkelstein has commented on this question as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHL8aVu2aiE

Posted by: Will | Dec 29, 2011 2:08:02 PM

The Gandhi's victory was due to some factors that don't exist in " Occupy Wall Street" movement and the American society:
- a foreign rule, England
- the wish for Independence
- a need for national identity in a country formed separated by regions, castes, kingdoms and languages
- the national Indian patriotism
- the tradition for non-violence in Hinduism and in the Indian society
All this doesn't exist in the USA society, with other more brutal traditions and ideals and also not in the " Occupy Wall Street" movement.
" Occupy Wall Street" movement is not patriotic by definition and it is not based on national identity, but on a much larger socialist-anarchist global model (see the identification with Spring Arab demonstrations,with Libyan rebels... )
" Occupy Wall Street" movement is by his demands far away from non-violence; their main demand, a redistribution of wealth, is possible only by a violent revolution and not by mutual consent; the wealth owners will oppose their brutal dispossession of wealth as Lenin, Trotsky and Che will confirm as the right method.
“We decry violence all the time in this country, but look at our history. We were born in a violent revolution, and we've been in wars ever since. We're not a pacific people.”
― James Lee Burke
What Gandhi will say? maybe: “I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.”

Posted by: Mirel | Dec 30, 2011 12:27:26 PM

occupylove.org

Posted by: Louise Gordon | Dec 30, 2011 1:16:28 PM

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