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November 07, 2011

Imran Khan: the 12th man rises...

by Omar Ali

Imran KhanPakistan’s greatest cricketing hero and second most successful philanthropist entered politics 15 years ago, promising a progressive, Islamic, modern, corruption-free Pakistan. His position as the most successful captain in Pakistan’s cricket history, the founder of Pakistan’s finest cancer hospital (providing free modern cancer care to thousands) provided him instant cachet, but for a long time he was unable to convert this personal popularity into votes in actual elections. With a political platform heavy on slogans (particularly against corruption) but short on specifics and without any obvious connection to already existing grass-roots politics, he remained little more than a fixture on the talk-show circuit for a very long time. Brief flirtation with Pervez Musharraf also set him back, as did a tendency to spout fables about Jirgas and hobnob with jihadi ideologues like Hamid Gul. But his biggest problem was his failure to create a team that could carry his party forward. The Pakistani Tehreek e Insaf was a one man show, with Imran Khan its only impressive asset. Even in parties dominated by one strong leader, there are other leaders in the wings and a semi-coherent ideology that delivers a section of the vote-bank on ideological grounds alone. Imran had no visible team and no clear ideology beyond a promise to “eradicate corruption”.

He did seem to genuinely believe in the formulaic slogans and historical framework of the 6th grade “ideology of Pakistan” he learned in Aitcheson college. He has some vague notion of “the two nation theory” (basically, “we are not Indians”) and an even vaguer “respect” for Quaid E Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah and the Allama Iqbal, twin icons of Pakistan’s history. But like his middle class fans, it is a superficial and shallow belief system, with little to show beyond a few empty slogans like “Pakistan first”, “Islamic welfare state” and “we are all Pakistanis now, so we are no longer Punjabis, Sindhis, Pakhtoons or Balochis”. Behind the automatic repetitions of such slogans there does lurk an odor of “one folk, one party, one leader” fascism (as it does behind all crude nationalisms) but this is not to imply that Imran Khan is consciously thinking of leading a fascist takeover of Pakistan. His commitment to some notion of democracy seems genuine enough, though his priority (and this is not unusual among middle class nationalists) is nationalism, not democracy; in a crisis, he can easily convince himself that we may have to kill democracy to save the country. In any case, lacking organization and experience and without a good grasp of actual grass-roots politics, he was easily brushed aside by older established political parties.  

Things changed in 2008. International pressure and a worsening domestic political position forced Pervez Musharraf to accept elections and eventually to bring “failed politicians” back in power. Imran Khan boycotted those elections, but came back on TV chat shows to dog the new (and admittedly, corrupt and incompetent) civilian setup at every step. Meanwhile, GHQ managed to win back some of its tarnished reputation by staying away from public view, letting Zardari take all the blame for every disaster (even ones GHQ itself had birthed). The Zardari regime also managed to select an exceptionally bad team, from a clueless prime minister to one of the worst collections of cabinet ministers in Pakistan’s history. His opposite number in the PMLN did a marginally better job in the provincial government in Punjab, but not by much. Continuous infighting, breaking and remaking of coalitions, massive corruption at every level, and a terrorism problem that has kept the nation unsafe for international investment, all these drained the existing political parties of credibility and created an opening for an outsider. Meanwhile, the deep state continued its   “good jihadi, bad jihadi” policy at home and its double game with the US abroad. With the Osama Bin Laden assassination, matters seem to have come to a head with the US. The Americans want GHQ to arrange for an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan and appear willing to pay Pakistan for help in achieving this, but they are not yet ready to hand the place back to the Taliban and the Haqqanis and their Jihadi friends. GHQ meanwhile is playing hardball and smells victory (also smells disasters to come after victory, but victory has its own momentum)  and maybe feeling tempted to get rid of the present civilian setup , preferring a civilian regime that is more closely aligned with their own strategic vision. The Facebook generation and the deep state may thus both be ready to opt for Imran Khan. And Imran Khan, it seems, is ready to opt for them. He has sharpened his anti-American message (a message that appeals to both the jihadi and the left-liberal wings of the middle classes) and toned down criticism of the army. He is saying all the right things about drone attacks, peace with our Taliban brothers and an American defeat in Afghanistan. He has been well coached by Shireen Mazari and Hamid Gul and his party is using trained cadres from the Islami Jamiat e Tulaba as well as enthusiastic youngsters from the Facebook generation. The moment has produced the man.

Having produced the man, the next step was to launch him on to the political stage in suitable manner. That step was achieved in Lahore on the 30th of October. Whether the deep state helped out with the gathering or not, the crowd was impressive and enthusiastic. For most of the young people there, it was the first taste of a genuine mass event where everyone is pushing towards one goal with one voice. That this “goal” was being defined in the Paknationalist terms they have all been fed in school and in everyday propaganda was the icing on the cake. Grown men were seen to cry helplessly as carefully choreographed patriotic music blared and the crowd rose as one to sing the national anthem. Fed on a steady diet of news about corrupt, treacherous and unpatriotic politicians, the crowd was happy to anoint Imran Khan as the savior who will eradicate corruption and save the nation. A generation that never saw the much bigger gatherings of Benazir Bhutto and her father seems to have been swept off their feet by the event. And why not?  In addition to pushing the Paknationalist buttons, the rally had something for everyone. A prayer break (with the great leader praying alone on stage during the event) was followed by Shahzad Roy and guitar music.  Bearded boys with Al-Jihad headbands mingled good naturedly with middle class families and liberal students from LUMS and NUST. For one shining evening, it must have seemed like hope has been reborn.

But it is still difficult to see how all this will translate into electoral victory unless the deep state plans to manipulate elections in a big way. Pakistan is a parliamentary democracy and established parties, even when discredited, have a grass-roots organizational advantage. In addition, Imran Khan’s personal popularity is wide, but not deep. Very different groups are currently united under his wing, but when push comes to shove, ideological and political choices will have to be made. Right now, Imran Khan has liberal followers who coexist in the party with hardcore Islamists who made their bones in the Islami Jamiat e Tulaba. But as he gets closer to real power, choices will have to be made. Since his own understanding of politics and the future of Pakistan is fundamentally aligned with the Paknationalists of the Shireen Mazari and Ahmed Qureshi variety, I predict his choices will turn to out to match those of GHQ to an extent that may surprise a lot of his liberal fans.  This is a prediction, and I realize it is an unpopular one in the liberal blogosphere. Pakistani liberals are also hungry for a savior and right now they prefer to latch on to whatever little bones Imran is throwing in their direction (guitar music right after Magrib prayers, women in visible positions, a modern look and feel) but I fear that Imran Khan is not just repeating his 6th grade Islamiyat and Pakistan studies slogans because repeating simplified propaganda is part and parcel of modern mass politics. He is repeating them because he genuinely believes all those fables about rightly guided caliphs, Jirga justice, Islamic social welfare, the vision of Allama Iqbal, the “leadership of the Quaid e Azam” and so on. But since these stories are not too closely aligned with reality, historic or contemporary, a sincere believer is likely to become a pawn in the hands of those with a clearer vision of what they want and a more realistic view of politics and power. The Leninist term “useful idiot” comes to mind, but in this case it is not Pakistan’s 37 Leninists but it’s much more determined deep state that are likely to take advantage of Khan sahib’s naiveté.

Of course, this may not be a done deal yet. Imran clearly has an idealistic bent and even GHQ may not find his crusading zeal easy to contain. And while everyone from Humayun Gohar to Ayaz Amir may be excited by this rally, reality has a way of setting in in Pakistan. The Paknationalist agenda is not new. Army men sitting in mess halls have been carping about unpatriotic politicians, bloody provincialists and separatists, uneducated Pakistani masses and massive foreign conspiracies for decades. But they have failed to wave a magic wand to fix these problems, not because they held back, but because no magic wand actually exists. Wanting to clean up Pakistan and run it like a tight ship (the current model is supposedly China, though a few inconvenient details come to mind: a 3000 year old civilization, a century of revolutions and wars, a genuine mass-based party and titanic achievements and failures,  modern capitalism embraced like never before, and so much more) is all well and good, but you cannot create anything you want out of thin air; you have to work with what exists and the properties of what exists are not necessarily what the Paknationalists think they aNurembergre. History and society may have features that make some choices possible and others nearly impossible. Paknationalism of the GHQ type does not have a sufficient overlap with history, political realities or the various cultures of Pakistan to allow the creation of the homogenous- Islamic-modern-military-mullah-netizen hybrid that is being desired.  But it is possible that this vision has enough overlap with the common dreams of Pakistan’s middle class youth to let them have a go at it. One just hopes it evolves towards sanity and a softer nationalism instead of doubling down and going for broke by grasping “this sorry scheme of things entire; would we not shatter it to bits and then, remold it nearer to heart’s desire...

Posted by omar at 11:49 AM | Permalink

Comments

His association with Shirin Mazari and Hamid Gul would have raised a red warning flag anywhere else but in Pakistan. They share the mindset that plunged the country deep into the hole of of its own making, and from the likes of it Pakistani liberals and the nation in general plans to keep digging.

Posted by: Sam | Nov 7, 2011 3:37:14 PM

and how utterly bizarre--there he is praying alone on the stage--guys (other then the bodyguards)--sitting, standing around......
scare me...
Who's buying this crap?

Posted by: maniza | Nov 8, 2011 10:45:23 AM

Why the Nuremburg pic?

Posted by: Russ | Nov 8, 2011 1:03:20 PM

LOL! Here's more crap that's being not only bought but resurrected from 1998. Obviously, Masha-Allahs abound! Please pay some undeserved attention to the bit about "Darwin, the philosopher" and "his half-baked theories of evolution". I don't even know what to be more distraught about, the article or the so many Masha-allahs!

http://www.mybitforchange.org/2011/selective-islam/

As Akbar Allahbadi would say
"Allah hafiz musalmaano ka Akbar, hamein to in kee khush-hali say hay yaas
Yeh aashiq shahid-e-mashooq kay hain, par na jaayein gay sai-iy kay pass"
roughly, badly translated to
"Only God can protect the Muslims, I have despaired of the desire to see their well-being
They profess great admiration for martyrs of love, but will not go close to acting on anything"

Posted by: SV | Nov 8, 2011 2:16:15 PM

Re Nuremberg pic: there has been some discussion on Pakistani blogs about whether present-day Pakistan is like the Weimar republic (and the next stage is a fascist takeover). I had written an earlier article about that (linked at the end of the above article). That discussion plus the obvious enthusiasm generated by the singing of the national anthem and other choreographed items in Imran Khan's public meeting triggered that picture...I am implying that there is some overlap between the triumph of the will then and its farcical echo in Lahore..But I dont want to stress the connection too much..just a little.

Posted by: omar | Nov 8, 2011 3:20:55 PM

Is there any actual proof that GHQ is backing IK?

Posted by: Osman | Nov 9, 2011 1:56:54 AM

Salam,
My feeling about PTI movement is that Imran Khan, despite all the miserable prognosis that the fear-stricken, US-appeasers* are throwing at him, should stay the course of his independant, honest and straight-forward narratives and an untainted, corruption-free and a truly national struggle.
Will he succeed? Will he form a government if he stays 'un-attached' to 'main-stream parties' in the present d-e-m-o-c-r-a-c-y?
I think the best answer is: when it comes to reforming governance structures, the journey is the destination.
He, in attempting what he has started - more importantly, the way he has ignited it - is already accomplishing a positive change. And a new precedent.
Thank you Imran.
Regards,
Waqqas
P.S. Why is the "leadership of Quaid-e-Azam" enclosed in double-quotes? I wonder what part of that leadership has suddenly become doubtful*?
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*in the ultra-liberal blogosphere

Posted by: Waqqas | Nov 9, 2011 8:16:18 AM

Waqqas, "Leadership of Quaid E Azam" is indeed doubtful, though not necessarily in the ultra-liberal blogosphere. Most ultra-liberals from Pakistan are big fans of Jinnahbhoy since they think he is a counterweight to Mullahism. And ultra-liberals tend to be from the Pakistani upper class, educated in elite Western Universities, so their notions about the natives tend to be filtered through Western liberal glasses...They probably love the Quaid at least as much as William Dalrymple does.
But yes, you are correct in assuming that I do not regard Jinnahbhoy as a very far-sighted leader and I find his "two-nation theory" to be a tragic joke. Superficial, poorly thought out, even more poorly executed. Though I also think there is no way to reverse partition now. The best hope is to maintain a united west pakistan, but to quietly drop/defang the so-called "ideology of Pakistan". I also think that this is shocking to some people, but it WILL happen, one way or the other. That ideology (which you can study at the feet of Majid Nizami and characters like him) is far too dangerous and self-destructive. I dont think people will be told it was all a tragic mistake. I think people will be told a new, milder and less dangerous version of the story and we will all pretend that it was always thus. Its been done before in human history. We are an adaptable species.
What do YOU think was his mission and his achievement?

Posted by: omar | Nov 9, 2011 10:03:16 AM

proof? The hair dye.

Posted by: maniza | Nov 9, 2011 10:08:05 AM

Thanks for the clarification Omar.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 9, 2011 1:01:43 PM

This article is especially poorly written. Too many unsupported broad brushes. Surprised it made it to 3QD. Read this:

"His commitment to some notion of democracy seems genuine enough, though his priority (and this is not unusual among middle class nationalists) is nationalism, not democracy; in a crisis, he can easily convince himself that we may have to kill democracy to save the country. "

IK is more of a democrat than anyone else in the ring. The reason he has sat on the sidelines for last fifteen years is that he chose to reject any other mode of coming to power.

Posted by: Basit | Nov 9, 2011 3:21:08 PM

BTW, very well said about Q-e-A's leadership, or lack thereof, and the ultra-liberal love for him ...

Posted by: Basit | Nov 9, 2011 4:47:45 PM

I really wish I shared any kind of optimism re: Imran Khan as a political leader in Pakistan. And I guess he could be called a "democrat" even in his unfailing support for the Taliban - given that certain democrats have no problem with keeping wars going that never should have happened in the first place.

Posted by: Naveeda | Nov 9, 2011 5:10:27 PM

It seems that the writer of this article is a serious victim of "over confidence" and bears a sarcastic approach about the fundamental ideologies of this nation. To me he is just lending a hand to PML-N and Zardari Party to undermine the leadership of Quaid-e-Azam even. I wonder how he has categorized the divine teachings of Iqbal as the lessons of sixth grade. Never thought that subversion among journalists can be so serious. Just imagine that he is correlating Imran Khan with Hitler's Fascist party. The "Nuremberg" pic in the bottom definitely proves that this journalist has been funded by someone to go to that extreme. He is just full of crap.

Posted by: Muhammad Mohsin Latif | Nov 10, 2011 2:52:02 PM

Mohsin sahib, welcome! I have been looking for someone to explain Allama sahib's divine message to me for a long time.
But every time I ask, the person I ask just disappears from the intertubes (maybe the Juice have a way to get rid of anyone propagating that divine message?). Anyway, hope springs eternal and I hope you will help us out be letting us know what his great message was...in a few lines, what is the message of Allama Iqbal?
If you wish, you can go to our blog at http://www.brownpundits.com/2011/11/09/allama-iqbal-stray-thoughts/ and add your thoughts there. I wanted to start a discussion about Allama sahib's message on his birthday, but no one has stepped up to explain his side of the story. I hope you will help us out and do so..
Thanks

Posted by: omar | Nov 10, 2011 5:30:12 PM

Well, it took a good five to six decades to get to the kind of nation—now cruising smoothly back to the future to become the world’s first Sunni fascist state—envisioned by the most over-rated poet and thinker of all times, the Hakim ul Ummat, Allama Iqbal Sahib. You really have to be smoking something refined and high quality to have induced a grand delusion of this sort: let’s envision a piece of land where you could shove all sorts of Muslims together in the name of Ummah, call it the land of the pure, and then everything will be hunky dory, forgetting that no two Imams of two different mosques in the same neighborhood would tolerate each other. If he were to be alive today he would have, if he had had an iota of integrity—which I doubt he possessed, since he was a complete selloff to this Nishate Sania crowd—the same crowd that has over the decades has transformed into the Burger Jihadi variety under the auspices of Imran Khan—to get cheap praise and flattery—burned all his books, rend his clothes, thrown ashes in his hair and begged forgiveness for his over the top ideas, the separate homeland for Muslims and stuff. Oh well, he was not likely to show shame. He would have loved the adulation from the burger jihadis led by Zaid Hamid, the first generation product glazed in the brass tack factory of ISI whose sole purpose was to prepare the ground for their real man, Imran Khan, the man with the outward appearance of a liberal but with the heart of Mulla Omar. The more I think about Zahid Hamid phenomenon the more convinced I become that the guy was a prelude to what was to come later. You desensitize the masses with the craziest ideas and prepare them in a such a way that any later equally insane ideas would sound perfectly legit. Have fun on Iqbal day.

Posted by: Loqman | Nov 11, 2011 11:52:57 PM

Loqman, I asked Mohsin sahib to present Iqbal's divine message and instead you show up to further undermine the great man.
All joking aside, i am sure there are defenders of Iqbal out there who do know a lot about his poetry and his ideas and can at least show that he was an intelligent and extremely well read man, a very talented poet (in terms of vocabulary and musicality, probably the most talented of the century) and a fun person to hang out with (a dear friend knew a man who used to be Allama's pigeon handler in his youth..he describes an allama who was fond of wine and pigeons and music and women and who was a a lazy bum whose wife was always on his case for not making any money). But that allama has long since died and he has been replaced by the allama of Zaid Hamid and Jamat e Islami; the allama whose verses are written on the martyrdom certificates they issue to suicide bombers in Waziristan (http://www.jalaybi.com/2009/09/06/the-taliban-martyrdom-certificate/). I want to have a substantive discussion with someone about how the first allama mutated into the second and how much Allama sahib's own delusions are to blame? can he be absolved of all responsibility for the subsequent development of his "dream"? Was he just your typical confused person who is different things at different times or did he have a coherent Islamofascist dream? and so on. Unfortunately, his fans never show up so we end up debating with ourselves.
Mohsin sahib?

Posted by: omar | Nov 12, 2011 2:04:20 PM

Here I am listening to Wish You Were Here in pristine SACD high definition surround sound and thinking that nothing could top this right now, and then I read Loqman's soliloquy. Pure icing! A belated happy Iqbal day.

Posted by: Sam | Nov 12, 2011 4:21:43 PM

Is there a holiday in Pakistan on Iqbal day? I can't remember from my school days - it was too long ago.

If so, shouldn't there be one for Faiz too?!?

I'm just wondering how Allama Iqbal's words became "divine teachings" and how does one explain this divine teacher's admiration for Mussolini?

Loqman . . . wow!

Posted by: Naveeda | Nov 12, 2011 8:09:34 PM

There is indeed a holiday on Iqbal Day. Faiz does not rate a holiday because if holidays are to honor good poetry, then why start with mid-level people? what about Ghalib? If any poet deserves a holiday on "poetic excellence" grounds, then it has be Ghalib. Faiz is OK, and the small left-liberal elite certainly loves him as much as the larger burger-jihadi gang loves Iqbal, but then why stop at Faiz? What about Faraz? he may have a larger popular following than Faiz and his politics was closer to real life struggles in Pakistan (Faiz sahib having moved on to the worldwide contest between good and evil). Or Josh, who may have been the better poet? No, Iqbal day is a holiday because Allama sahib believed in a sophisticated version of Islamist theory (dont get me wrong, he also believed in many other things, like modern science and the idea of progress, and evolution, social as well as biological) and degenerate version of that Islamist vision of history is the supposed source of the Pakistani dream.
His views on history, btw, were not clownish. He was well within the ballpark of "historical theorizing" in his time. They do not conform to present fashions, and frequently don't conform to what we know of past facts either, but similar bullshit about "the peculiar genius of the Hindu mind", "the European imagination", "the semitic character" and the feminine softness of Persia (as in this quote about "Islamic civilization": It is a child who inherits the softness and refinement of his Aryan mother, and the sterling character of his Semitic father) .
Similarly, this quote about the Germans may sound a little off to our postmodern ears, but was certainly not thought of as clownish in his day: "In the economy of nature each nation has a function allotted to it. The function of the German nation is the organisation of human knowledge. But they have recently started on a commercial enterprise which may give them an empire, but they will have to suffer the displacement of a higher ideal by the all-absorbing spirit of trade".
Even today, it will not be hard to find someone with a University appointment saying (as Allama sahib did): Christianity describes God as love; Islam as power. How shall we decide between the two conceptions? I think the
history of mankind and of the universe as a whole must
tell us as to which of the two conceptions is truer. I find
that God reveals Himself in history more as power than
love. I do not deny the love of God; I mean that, on the
basis of our historical experience, God is better described as power. "
We may regard these "stray thoughts" (thats the title under which these pearls have been lovingly collected by the allama iqbal academy in Lahore) as a bit of a pose or even a pathetic attempt to ape Western fashions of "intellectual discourse" in Lahore, but they certainly sounded normal (as in normative) to other Anglicized and Anglo intellectuals of his day. He was not a clown like Zaid Hamid is a clown. But he is still the source of whatever shallow, pathetic paknationalist-Islamist worldview we have. THAT is why he gets a holiday....

Posted by: omar | Nov 12, 2011 9:46:38 PM

Omar. Thank you for replying to my facetious remark about Faiz with equal facetiousness - at least I hope that's what it was. :)

Agree with you on Iqbal.

Posted by: Naveeda | Nov 12, 2011 10:34:05 PM

All knives out for Iqbal,he has been part of our collective conscious for last 70 or more years .he had promoted the agenda of prophet with touch of modernity,as of his times,with power of his rhythm and vocabulary.was he true mullah,wahabi?i think, not.he was modern man of his times,he borrowed and incorporated the ideas of Nietzsche,Bergson,Marx etc into his poetry.What are the contributions of Left-Liberal-West to the society,to collective conscious ,take Bhutto,who succumbed to islamist and declared ahmadis as non-muslims?what hope we got here for modernization and secularism .Left-Liberals-Secular( with big L) have done nothing substantial for pak society, just talk,talk and more talk(i am one of them).

Posted by: abdulrahmankhaled | Nov 13, 2011 3:49:34 AM

Iqbal should only be taken as a poet and poets are about giving voices to feelings. He does represent popular muslim sentiments, legitimate or not is another debate.

It's when we use him as our Islamic Marx, that creates junk like JI, TI or the Taliban.

Posted by: Rashid Aurakzai | Nov 13, 2011 6:47:05 AM

Khalid sahib, what is "the agenda of the prophet, with a modern touch"?

Posted by: omar | Nov 13, 2011 11:17:12 AM

Islam,domination.Allama tried to give a modern touch,it is questionable whether islam can accept a modern touch?

Posted by: abdulrahmankhaled | Nov 13, 2011 12:37:37 PM

Ah, so you agree with me that he was a confused person and has no "divine message". Good. But that means we still haven't heard from the burgers; the young Pakistanis who think Allama Iqbal had a dream and his dream is going to be fulfilled by Imran Khan, but who cannot seem to be able to tell anyone any details about the dream. What was this great dream? and how is it different from any other accidental nation-state?
About "can Islam accept a modern touch"? I think Islam is not a person or a concrete thing about which you can argue what touch will of will not be acceptable to him/it. It is a mutli-faceted religious tradition that was itself the product of many diverse traditions. Like many such traditions, it had a particular founder, but once it leaves his mind and enters the world, it is creatively modified by all its users. There is no "pure" original thing. There is always a process and a work in progress. It branched off in many directions soon after it started (like all other religious traditions) and what we recognize as Sunni orthodoxy (the so-called four schools of Sunni Islam) was created over 3-400 years by many different people responding to many different challenges and using many different sources, not just the one stream that ran out of Medina untouched by any other influence. It "accepted" many touches then and continues to accept many touches today (look at Maudoodi and his fascist and marxist influences..what he produced ...the vanguard party, the hardcore cadres in student and labor wings, the gansterism, the top-down organization.. was mostly borrowed from European sources. If he can accept "a modern touch", so can others).
The current salafist fantasy of pure Islam is a sales pitch and not a particularly original or unusual sales pitch. Its unusual strength in the core Islamic world comes from the particular manner in which blasphemy and apostasy laws have managed to enforce a superficial unanimity about some 12th century doctrines....but below the surface there is no uniformity at all. This existing uniformity was vague, superficial and practically meaningless..all sorts of new ideas were vigorously debated and fought about in Muslim majority countries (socialism, capitalism, fascism, whatever) and everyone just avoided a few unimportant and practically irrelevant subjects and life went on....this comfortable hypocrisy has now become untenable because the Saudi-funded salafist wave has put "pure Islam" solidly on the agenda, thus making it very hard to just mouth formula statements and carry on. At first, this has given them an unfair advantage; their fascist, fantastic and unworkable inhuman agenda gets protection from debate because they can invoke blasphemy and apostasy laws that are widely (if superficially and vaguely) accepted by most Muslims...but the next stage is already here. By putting them on the agenda of practical steps and actual state-craft, they have set in motion a process in which blasphemy WILL happen and will get out of hand.
The idea that "Islam will not accept a modern touch" will be shown to be false..by events, by history. It is inevitable. EIther they keep that "pure Islam" off the table when it comes to actual politics and economics and social life..in which case some vague respect and public hypocrisy could probably go on for decades more..or they put it in everyone's face and make it controversial and open it to public discussion and debate even if the debate gets "out of hand".
There is no other possible outcome.

Posted by: omar | Nov 13, 2011 2:02:51 PM

btw, about ISI support for Imran Khan, it seems the topic will not remain on some backburner but will be raked up by a mainstream party. Good. As I said, you put topics on the agenda by interfering in things that matter to people and even the holiest cows will not remain sacrosanct: http://tribune.com.pk/story/291120/pml-n-warns-army-isi-to-stop-supporting-pti/

Posted by: omar | Nov 13, 2011 3:11:48 PM

Mr.Polluted Writer,Just watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvomNq_0vs

Posted by: Muhammad Akram | Nov 13, 2011 4:08:52 PM

I am delighted to see Imran Khan's interview. Its a very good interview (transcript here as well:http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/140450-put-kashmir-backburner-built-trust.html). It may be backpedalled very soon by Shireen Mazari and company..but if he sticks to these views with equal determination IN Pakistan, then the ISI-Paknationalist crowd (who have been excited by him recently, no doubt about it, look it up) will run away from him.
I will admit that I thought when push comes to shove, he will edge closer to the Shireen Mazari faction, not closer to the liberal faction. Lets see, maybe I was wrong. Either way, the excitement in the IK fans will split..his current rise is fueled by very disparate groups. When he starts committing, he will have to alienate some factions. It will be hard to make all of them happy. In THIS interview, he is clearly taking a very sensible line. If he sticks to it, I will become his supporter, but many others who are currently his vigorous supporters will no longer be with him.
The other problem that will invariably come up is that some part of his vision is unrealistic. He implies that he will deweaponise Pakistan and get rid of all militant groups. But armed groups are not disarmed by unarmed ones. He will have to use the army to do so. That part may turn out to be far nastier and harder than he seems to think. That remains one of my problems with Khan sahib. That he does not regard the Islamist jihadist network as a real force, with real supporters inside the deep state. He will be disabused of his notions I am afraid.
I will be happy to have been wrong about Khan sahib if he turns out to be a super-clever liberal who not only sticks to liberal ideas in power, but understands power so well that he manages to carry it off and disarm militants and get rid of their supporters in the state and use force where needed in a smart way and do all that while retaining the support of the Pakistani people. THAT will be wonderful and worth any humiliation as "an analyst who turned out to be wrong".But my cynical side still thinks that he doesnt fully grasp (or even partly grasp) what the obstacles to such a course are likely to be..or that the "paknationalist" dream is itself a source of many of these problems and that any naive belief in Allama Iqbal, Jinnah and Pakistani nationalism is not compatible with the liberal vision he propounds here.
But good luck to him if this is what he is going to try....

btw, IK fans take note, the one possibility I am still avoiding is the one that he is so capable of double-talk that all this is a ruse. In some ways, I am more of an IK fan than most; I dont think he is flat-out lying.

some quotes from the interview:

... I am not only making a promise to the Indian people, I think I am making a promise to anyone. The biggest problem the United States faces, you know they worry about terrorism from Pakistani soil. Its not just India who is worried. If I cannot stop terrorism from Pakistani soil, I would rather not be the Prime Minister.

...Because I am the one who has received so much love in India. I grew up hating India because I grew up in Lahore and so there were so much massacres of 1947 and so much bloodshed and anger. But as I started touring India, I got such love and friendship there. All this disappeared. And then my closest friend who you also know, Vikram was Indian. So we became very close. So, as time passed I realised that we’ve so much similar history, culture compared to the western countries. We have so much in common. There is so much the people of two countries can benefit if we have civilised relationship.

Posted by: omar | Nov 13, 2011 6:12:37 PM

http://www.brownpundits.com/2011/11/13/great-imran-khan-interview-with-karan-thapar/

Posted by: omar | Nov 13, 2011 6:13:41 PM

Dear Brother Omar,
When people say that Imran will act the same as Nawaz and Benazir did,people should keep in mind the differences among these personalities.Imran's life is before us for last 3decades and what he believes is right he remains stick to it. So it is an unfair anticipation that he will easily give in before Pakistan Establishment and Militants.
Also watch this part of interview,may be you understand Imran's views in a better way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNN1Zfy4XE0

Posted by: Muhammad Akram | Nov 14, 2011 2:21:21 PM

The ISI media cell has not responded to Khan sahib's interview. Is this a case of the dog that failed to bark? http://www.brownpundits.com/2011/11/15/did-the-dog-fail-to-bark/

Posted by: omar | Nov 14, 2011 11:03:49 PM

Is writer living on a different planet? " ...International pressure and a worsening domestic political position forced Pervez Musharraf to accept elections ". Where was here 3 years ago. Was it the "International pressure and a worsening domestic political position" that forced Pervez Musharraf to accept elections. It was the lawyers movement, Chief justice resolved, and historic struggle by the people of Pakistan. People like this author never believed that this will happen, and it happened, and they then tried again to understand the new realities by "writing" about it.


I enjoyed author's attempt to make sense of the new emerging reality by repeating and refining his own understanding of the world. Problem is that he is still not letting go his own "division' of the world into liberal, jehadi, modern, etc compartments. May be owning his own 6th grade social studies!

But what can one do that ultimately one has to admit that ... "Of course, this may not be a done deal yet. Imran clearly has an idealistic bent and even GHQ may not find his crusading zeal easy to contain. " :-)

Posted by: raza | Nov 15, 2011 3:57:15 AM

A well organized post with extremely shallow arguments.

Posted by: Mehdi | Nov 25, 2011 3:45:36 AM

Excellent article. You are being proved right every single day. I too find it difficult to reconcile Imran's rhetoric with his daily embrace with the worst of the Q league, ex-PPP, ex-JUI lining up to join the leadership ranks of the PTI.

Posted by: zahide | Dec 19, 2011 1:58:10 PM

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