September 08, 2011
The meaning of 9/11's most controversial photo
Jonathan Jones in The Guardian:
In the photograph Thomas Hoepker took on 11 September 2001, a group of New Yorkers sit chatting in the sun in a park in Brooklyn. Behind them, across brilliant blue water, in an azure sky, a terrible cloud of smoke and dust rises above lower Manhattan from the place where two towers were struck by hijacked airliners this same morning and have collapsed, killing, by fire, smoke, falling or jumping or crushing and tearing and fragmentation in the buildings' final fall, nearly 3,000 people.
Ten years on, this is becoming one of the iconic photographs of 9/11, yet its history is strange and tortuous. Hoepker, a senior figure in the renowned Magnum photographers' co-operative, chose not to publish it in 2001 and to exclude it from a book of Magnum pictures of that horribly unequalled day. Only in 2006, on the fifth anniversary of the attacks, did it appear in a book, and then it caused instant controversy. The critic and columnist Frank Rich wrote about it in the New York Times. He saw in this undeniably troubling picture an allegory of America's failure to learn any deep lessons from that tragic day, to change or reform as a nation: "The young people in Mr Hoepker's photo aren't necessarily callous. They're just American."
In other words, a country that believes in moving on they have already moved on, enjoying the sun in spite of the scene of mass carnage that scars the fine day.
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Comments
"Its only smog."
Posted by: Dredd | Sep 8, 2011 5:05:06 PM
Not every one of your remarks is lucid.
Posted by: Sum Dam | Sep 8, 2011 5:15:35 PM
"And you thought we had nothing in common."
Posted by: Dredd | Sep 8, 2011 5:47:38 PM
There is no context to this photo, if it is real and not Photoshopped. It is a snapshot in time and doesn't indicate what the people in the photo did before or after that frozen instant. OTOH, they could be a bunch of government engineers preparing to remotely detonate (you might think that is just an ordinary bike in the foreground, but little do you know) the towers in a controlled fashion.
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8, 2011 6:18:36 PM
How was it decided that this photograph was of people unconcerned with what was going on behind them? It is a photograph that has been taken in a nano second--How do we know that they are not sitting there holding vigil--talking and discussion with each other about what's happening across the river. It was a beautiful day that day--a clear sunny day--they were dressed for the day---they were young---and those aspects of them somehow has led to this judgement of what they were feeling? That in itself is a violent use of an image. Nothing in this photograph suggests they've moved on. They are having a conversation, that is obvious. They are not standing there transfixed--they are talking--having a conversation. They are not silent. I can see how that would be in this country--how dare they not have become silent mutes just staring and staring. I would add this to al the other images that are used to make the case of HOW WE SHOULD FEEL. The national agenda of how we should be--because for sure we are under surveillance for our every stance.
Posted by: maniza | Sep 8, 2011 7:09:57 PM
maniza nails it. Frank Rich's comment is sheer ignorance.
Posted by: chris | Sep 8, 2011 7:41:06 PM
"chatting?" Looks to me like they're taking stock.
Posted by: weaver | Sep 8, 2011 10:45:42 PM
I was in Boston at the time - it was a really lovely day and I imagine NY was much the same. I'm not surprised they were out enjoying the sun.
Even if they did know what was happening, there's not much point in getting upset about it from that distance. I regret in hindsight that when I got to work (after a frisk at the door - we were in a biggish building) I sat at a computer fixated by the disaster-pron in the news all day long.
But still that's the thing I most remember about that morning: 'what a nice day to be enjoying a pleasant walk to work'.
(even if the general attitude around the office was 'who cares, it's only new york!', calls from oz were more worried about it).
Posted by: Michael | Sep 9, 2011 1:34:40 AM
The towers burned for hours. It was not necessary to glue your eyes to them every second. The whole assumption that they are not taking it seriously is mistaken.
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 9, 2011 9:38:37 AM
Had you taken my photo in the late afternoon of September 11th you might have seen my wife and me strolling through Prospect Park.
Leisure walk of Americans who'd passed on?
Just walking all the way home to Flatbush from the closest operating train stop we could get to.
Posted by: jason r | Sep 9, 2011 5:46:36 PM
The problem with the photo is that it is out of context, or, more accurately, as art it exists only in the photographer's context. So yes, the photo suggests a kind of American apathy. Probably the "Americans"/hipsters shown there went through the usual emotions: shock, horror, fear, sadness, safety, make a joke of it, eat lunch, more horror...
And why would they act any differently? In their lifetimes they had no experience with this kind of attack, so they can be forgiven not taking it seriously.
The question is: what do those people think now? If it happened again, what would they think? That's the photo I want to see, because it will tell me how much 9/11 changed America.
But I already know the answer: not at all.
We Are all Skyscrapers Now.
Posted by: The Last Psychiatrist | Sep 11, 2011 10:38:26 AM
How dare these people not be properly shocked and awed by the false flag attack designed to make Americans cower in fear and beg for Daddy Rumsfeld to commence with torturing out the confessions!
Posted by: Brian | Oct 17, 2011 12:26:13 AM
Scenes like this can be found in and around all types of calamity. Soldiers near the fronts lines can be seen playing cards and joking. People in areas frequented by violence are often quite calm after horrible happenings.
I didn't cry on 9/11...does that make me a bad person?
Posted by: The Holy Derp | Oct 17, 2011 9:01:33 PM
i can't believe some of you are serious. it's quiet bloody obviously not a real photo you speds. Its ART.. no at all photography is simply a shot... its edited as much as the artist wants to communicate there opinion.
Posted by: james | Oct 20, 2011 1:46:26 AM
and maniza.. your comment is actually just completely wrong again. As i said, if your 'sheer ignorance' extends through your lack of knowledge of art this photo was edited, deliberatly! Why? So the artist could communicate an idea! Its smart! If you wanted to challenge the nations perception would you challenge it with a photo infront of Mcdonalds or would you use a far more horrific event?
So before you start criticising the photo, make sure you know waht the heck you are discussing about ay.
Posted by: james | Oct 20, 2011 1:50:18 AM
i can't believe some of you are serious. it's quiet bloody obviously not a real photo you speds.
What makes you assume that? Do you imagine that people didn't sit around chatting in NY on 9/11? I'm sure I would have if I were with friends in that park, you can only stare at a smoking building in the distance for so long.
Yes, it could have been posed. But there's no particular reason to think it's any more likely to be posed than a shot of someone staring at the WTC in horror, pointing at it, etc.
Posted by: Jesse M. | Oct 20, 2011 3:30:54 AM
LIKE A BOSS!!!
Posted by: btard | Jan 7, 2012 3:09:00 AM
I see nothing controversial about it? 3000 were killed in this event, and it was performed as a revenge from the Talibans for USA no longer supporting them. USA killed close to a million people ãs a consequence (using this as a bad excuse). Who's the bully? Why does USA always overreact?
Posted by: Tardigrade | Jan 20, 2012 8:17:14 AM
What the hell you want?, to see them hysterically jumping in the water revolving their heads, miserably crying. They are to far away, and for them it certainly looks like a big fire going on the towers and that's about it, certainly and rationally they cannot do anything else, but watching calmly. MOVE ON ITS TIME TO PUT THIS COUNTRY BACK TO WORK.
Posted by: Squared Yarmulke | Apr 9, 2012 9:42:47 PM
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