September 12, 2011
9-11... Random Thoughts
by Omar Ali
This is not a post about the great tragedy of 9-11 or the great tragedies that followed 9-11. These are just some random thoughts about some arguments that show up around this topic and that I, as a regular blogger and commentator on the intertubes, have taken part in over the years. Since most of my friends and interlocutors are westernized liberals or leftists, this is necessarily focused on arguments common in the westernized liberal world. By saying this, I hope to deflect the inevitable argument that I am “missing” or ignoring the awful, bone-chilling, sickening racism and islamophobia that is rampant on the Western right wing; or that I am ignoring the awful, bone-chilling, sickening anti-semitism and islamofascism that is rampant in the Islamist world or, for that matter, the awful, scary, racist nationalism that bubbles through sections of the Chinese intertubes. I am going to give those a miss, even though I am vaguely aware of their existence. This post is not going to be fair and balanced; It is about our pathologies (or my pathologies, as the case may be). And many of the sentences in this article are copied from previous comments and past posts.
Truthers: In some ways, the existence of the 9-11 truth movement should be completely unsurprising. Every world historical event generates conspiracy theories (and some of them are even true) and it is no surprise that the largest terrorist atrocity in US history, followed by two wars (at least one on completely false pretenses) and massive domestic spying and other illegalities, would generate many conspiracy theories. But the way otherwise intelligent and sensible people argue in support of outlandish and completely irrational theories about controlled demolitions and remote-controlled aircraft has still been a surprise and a learning experience. This is not about the claims themselves (which have been debunked in great detail on hundreds of occasions) but rather about what I have learned from arguing about them.
In no particular order:
Some (mostly white) conspiracy theorists are sincere in their beliefs. Their beliefs may seem stupid to us, but they are not malicious. They sincerely believe that some traitors in the US government planted explosives in 3 buildings in the WTC complex (why 3, why not 4 or even 7?), then arranged for 19 Arab hijackers to hijack planes and fly them into two of those buildings but not the third, then blew up the buildings AFTER most people had a chance to escape (it was nice of them to do so; they could have set off the nanothermite earlier and killed many more people, but I guess they wanted to make sure the Jews got out); they also arranged to hijack another plane to fly into the Pentagon, but then changed their mind and used a cruise missile instead. That plane was subsequently vaporized using HAARP technology in order to hide the evidence. A fourth plane was hijacked, but then, instead of flying it into a building, they decided to shoot it down in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. After that, for whatever reason, they decided not to reveal the shoot-down. It’s all very complicated. They also made sure the non-traitor parts of the US government never got wind of the whole complicated plot. And of course, they managed to get some Arab to take credit for this atrocity and then went and shot him in Abbottabad without a trial. And the desired end result of all this planning? Trillions wasted in two wars, hundreds of thousands killed, and America weaker in the world and at home than it was in 2001. Whose interests were served and in what way? Only the elect can know the answers to such questions.
But what I want to note is that a lot of intelligent and well-informed people sincerely believe some version of this goofy account. And it does not seem goofy to them. And, to complete the homage to irony, these true believers are the very people who like to think that large sections of humanity are “sheeple”; blind, irrational “followers” who lack the ability to think critically about events. What does that teach us about human nature and rationality (not just their nature and rationality, but OUR nature and rationality)? Some people already knew, but even for us ordinary mortals, “has it not become colder? Does not night come on continually, darker and darker?”
But it is good to remember that in addition to the sincere believers there are also many people who genuinely consider themselves at war with America and its system of government (and economics). Such people can repeat conspiracy theories even if they know there is no evidence to support them or very little evidence to support them; these are ideologues fighting for a cause (sometimes a poorly thought out and self-destructive cause, but still, a cause). In many ways, their existence is less depressing than the existence of sincere believers who regard “loose change” as an actual documentary . These are people at war, and propaganda is an essential element of war. Whether we agree with their crusade or not, at least they have a reason to make up stories about the CIA and Mossad.
Just to be clear, here is my theory: There are several interlinked Jihadi terrorist organizations in Pakistan and Afghanistan that have declared war on the US and its allies (real and imagined). This war is, in their own view, a justified response to US imperialism and support for Israeli occupation. They have the motivation to carry out terrorist attacks and have tried various smaller terrorist attacks before and after 9-11, with varying degrees of success. They arranged for 19 Arab hijackers to hijack four airliners and fly them into 3 targets and one field in PA. The operation was a team effort, put together by people including Bin Laden, KSM and so on. And I am willing to consider some additional possibilities: that some intelligence service (CIA? Mossad? ISI? all of them?) may have had (very likely did have) some links with one or more of the terrorists. That there may be more to the plan than we know. Again, I have no doubt that true-believer jihadis were involved in hijacking planes and flying them into the towers, but am open to the possibility that higher up in the scheme, there may be wheels within wheels. It’s also possible that some details about the day itself (like exactly what happened in the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania?) may turn out to be different from the official story. For the rest, I find the official narrative of the day quite plausible, right down to Bush reading the pet goat and disappearing for a day instead of presenting the heroic speech he might have prepared if Cheney had told him about the plot in advance.
And I should add that I do think that legitimate opposition to US actions abroad and at home is undermined by junk like “loose change”. The truthers have helped to delegitimize rational and valid objections to the loss of civil liberties and the rush to war.
Pakistan: The other topic that figures prominently amongst my friends is the role of Pakistan in this affair and its aftermath. The main argument here is that we are innocent victims of America’s “so-called war on terror”. This narrative also draws upon liberals in the West who have their own suspicions about their own ruling elite and serve as a rich source of talking points for the Islamist’s favorite propagandists in Pakistan.
This narrative of “we are fighting America’s war” cleverly excludes any mention of our own role in bringing this menace to our shores. That America (and not just America) may have picked on Pakistan because Pakistan’s own armed forces had worked hard to make Pakistan the world headquarters of jihadist terrorism is not accepted as a possibility. Instead, it is all entirely America’s fault. They brought the jihadis here, they dumped them on us and they left. And they are now using the same jihadis as an excuse to attack us unfairly and with mala fide intent. The “mala fide intent” is usually presented as an American desire to “steal our nuclear arsenal”, but other theories like “imposing Indian hegemony” or “protecting Israeli interests” (the last being an activity that the US has long performed at great cost to itself, so it is not a claim without foundation) is also cited.
This narrative has some elements of truth, but also misses some significant points (and is awash in the same soft racism that is found in the Western liberal view (shared by westoxicated liberals in the East) of Brown people as helpless children, being led to good and evil by their superiors in the Western world). First of all, the jihadi project was indeed a CIA project, but it was also our project from the very beginning. America wanted Russia humbled in Afghanistan, but we wanted that humbling to be done by Islamist jihadis under our control. Our leaders (specifically Zia and Akhtar Abdul Rahman) also had the “vision” to see in this an opportunity to settle scores with India and plant the seeds of a wider area of influence in Central Asia.
Second, after the CIA finished its dirty business in Afghanistan and left, “we” multiplied the jihadi infrastructure by 10. We redirected it to Kashmir and spread it throughout Pakistan. Of course the Westoxicated middle class had very little awareness of all this. These were serious things, handled by serious people in the security establishment, not shared with the rest of the country except on a “need to know basis”. But it is disingenuous to think that the multiplication of jihadi militias throughout the nineties was also America’s fault (though the US did ignore it, perhaps because they were busy with other things). Then, after 9-11 “we” (the Pakistani security services) protected good jihadis and failed to go after their indoctrination and finance pipelines, either because “we” wanted the infrastructure kept alive for future use against India or because we lack the ability or the vocabulary to challenge the Jihadists. In short, I am not buying the idea that we are simply helpless victims in this mess.
Since some of my statements above are likely to be attacked as “pro-American”, I would like to clarify that as an American, I think the US should get out of the entire region as soon as possible. Let the Chinese police Afghanistan and get their Dari-speaking special forces killed while trying to provide security for Shenyang mining corporation number 9. They, and not the US, are likely to be the main beneficiaries of any successful imposition of the neoliberal world order in that region. The American people are not going to get any tangible benefit out of this late imperial adventure and the expensive and half-hearted “nation-building” project that has been tacked on to it. Where I do not agree with many liberal friends is in my belief that if the war in Afghanistan does not fit the simple schema of imperialist invasion/popular resistance, and if US does leave soon (without stabilizing the current Afghan regime) they will leave behind a much more violent civil war and the possibility of a larger regional war as India, Pakistan, Iran, Russia and China try to sort out who gets what in the aftermath. In short, I don’t buy the notion that the US is a God-like entity and bears sole responsibility for everything that happens in the Universe.
Finally, the last lesson I learned from all this (already known to many intelligent people, but brought home more forcefully by experience) is that we live in a Bayesian mental universe, where our estimate of posterior probability depends to some extent on our estimate of the prior probability of this or that event. When two people start with very different priors, they can reach very different predictions. Of course, the priors are themselves subject to verification. Events will tell us what view was closer to the truth. But until then (and human nature being what it is, probably even after that) we can look at the same events and draw very different conclusions. There is no way around this. We are not all going to agree, and it is not about our knowledge of nanothermite or “national security directive X”, it is about our prior view of the world and history and human nature. We disagree because we inhabit different mental worlds, not just because we have different information about a particular event. If we keep this in mind, we can at least save ourselves much of the heartburn that results from frustration at why X refuses to see what is so obvious to me, and vice versa.
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Comments
Great post Omar. I have to say that I found the thread from last week enormously amusing, although I could feel your initial frustration and ultimately the hurt from the interactions you had on the thread. Whilst your 9-11 conspiracy summary is priceless, it is probably the last paragraph that has the most resonance on the topic. The unprovable conspiracy and the eternal nature of the related debate produces a dialectic where one argues that ratiocination is not an imperative, and the other the paucity of critical thought. As the majority of the engineering fraternity has argued, it just becomes an interminable discussion.
As Jerry Fletcher said "A good conspiracy is unprovable. I mean, if you can prove it, it means they screwed up somewhere along the line."
Posted by: Troy | Sep 12, 2011 5:56:30 AM
Great post! The last paragraph pretty much says it all. Essentially, we all suffer from a certain way of perceiving the world that's based on our respective structure of a priori, and which is incurable.
Posted by: Ahmed | Sep 12, 2011 11:53:11 AM
Several states are putting the issue of a new 9/11 investigation on their ballots to let their citizens decide the issue.
This was brought out at the Toronto Hearings this past week in Toronto.
Some of the rejection is in the nature of in loco parentis, but the ballot function will convert that into the nature of democracy hopefully.
Posted by: Dredd | Sep 12, 2011 12:16:06 PM
"And the desired end result of all this planning? Trillions wasted in two wars, hundreds of thousands killed, and America weaker in the world and at home than it was in 2001. Whose interests were served and in what way? Only the elect can know the answers to such questions"
Omar,
You don't seem to have even considered that the "trillions wasted in wars" are the same trillions that have been added to the wealth of the elite since 9/11. War is extremely profitable. Just ask the people at Halliburton. Absent this awareness, it's no wonder you find 9/11 truther arguments non-nonsensical. You have a hopelessly naive world view.
Posted by: J. Hawkins | Sep 12, 2011 12:16:12 PM
Hawkins, are you saying that important sections of the US govt were involved in planning and executing the strangely ill-planned 9-11 controlled demolition (they hijacked four planes and apparently lost 2 of them in the ether)...a conspiracy that supposedly included NORAD, most of the media, NIST, Popular mechanics, etc. etc..and ALL other sections of the state and the media are unable to make that connection? And all this to increase the profits of 5 or even 10 companies in a multi-trillion dollar economy?
It is likely that people who have stakes in particular war related businesses look for ways to start or accelerate wars (and even more likely that politicians whose political capital includes jingoism or racism or baby-fascism are eager to jump up and start a war when the opportunity presents itself), but it takes wilful ignorance of the scale and nature of the US economy (and its vast and heavily decentralized state apparatus) to imagine that a tightly knit cabal can hijack the whole structure to increase the value of their own stock portfolio and NOTHING else.
I have not looked, but will be happy if someone can provide a list of publicly traded companies that benefited from these wars AND a parallel list of ALL companies and businesses in the US and what happened to them during the same period...and how the much much larger group can be manipulated so successfully by a very small group? I am interested in actual mechanics, not an assumption that if Halliburton made money then everything must have been done for the sake of Halliburton. How does this system of producing wars for Halliburton actually operate? and how does that alleged mechanism square with what we see in our daily interactions with actual American policymakers, congressmen, bureaucrats, businessmen, etc...and with the millions of published memoirs and sundry papers that deal with the lives of the kind of people who must have been involved in any such conspiracy.
Note that my point is not that the system cannot be manipulated towards war. My point is much narrower: that the PARTICULAR conspiracy alleged here does not square with what we know of the system and its daily workings ..and of the entire history of human conspiracies and wars...more obvious explanations are within reach.
Posted by: omar | Sep 12, 2011 12:48:53 PM
Although I am not a panarchist, I want to thank this site for its publication of Randolph Bourne's War Is the Health of the State:
War Is the Health of the State
As J. points out, it is also the health of the corporations that control the state.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 12:54:09 PM
Louise, my problem with the view that corporations need war and control the state etc etc is that the details dont mesh with reality.....it may be more useful to build a critique of the modern state starting from what a modern state (and its citizens) actually do and how and why they make those choices. I think any such analysis will cast the state and its citizens in very bad light, but not necessarily in the naive and superficial way its frequently done in San Francisco coffee shops.
I have nothing against the coffee shops, but I (like almost any liberal I can think of) think reality is "complex" and not "simplistic". Where I find myself increasingly deviating from the party line is in my suspicion that it is not just governors of Texas who have a simplistic view of the world...
Posted by: omar | Sep 12, 2011 1:02:58 PM
btw, the "naive and superficial" dig was directed at stereotypical eurocentric, westoxicated, softly racist, internally contradictory White liberal sentimentalist crap. NOT at the link you posted to "war is the health of the state".
The modern state is only a modest improvement over the premodern state...and not even that if you prize freedom over security.
Posted by: omar | Sep 12, 2011 1:14:06 PM
Alexander Cockburn on 9/11. Interesting:
Conspiracists Not Vindicated
He believes that Oswald fired the fatal shots, but that FDR could have known in advance that the attack on Pearl Harbor was in the offing.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 1:37:55 PM
" but that FDR could have known in advance that the attack on Pearl Harbor was in the offing"
That has never made any sense.
(1) The Navy was FDR's favorite service. He would've arranged an ambush of the Japanese attackers, not let the fleet be sunk at anchor.
(2) FDR was focused on Germany, not Japan. He didn't want war with Japan. The Pearl Harbor attack was less than useless in getting the U.S. into war with Germany; indeed, it would likely have focused us on the Pacific to the exclusion of Europe ...
... except that Hitler was foolish enough to declare war on the U.S. (Ian Kershaw, Fateful Choices, gives a good short account of this turning point in the war).
FDR could've had no guarantee at all that Hitler would do this, as any rational calculation would have militated against it.
Posted by: Anderson | Sep 12, 2011 1:57:43 PM
I guess HAARP just vaporized another one of my comments. Or my computer is broken.
"The modern state is only a modest improvement over the premodern state...and not even that if you prize freedom over security."
I said I agree with that, depending on what you mean by security.
I also said I thought corporations have been solidifying their control of government since the 1886 Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific Railroad decision that gave them 14th Amendment rights. Even more since the Citizens United decision.
See:
David Korten - When Corporations Rule the World
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 2:04:01 PM
Anderson,
Maybe Cockburn has joined the kookery movement. ;)
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 2:13:56 PM
Cui bono?
Here's some facts, not speculation, about who benefited from 9/11:
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25762
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 12, 2011 2:19:17 PM
Delightful reading, Omar. That bit summarizing the Truther's assertions had me in stitches. Also, it's always nice to see some thoughtful writing on Pakistan on this website. I understand the founder is a Pakistani-American? Anyways, my provincial California ass wouldn't know a damn thing about the place if it wasn't for 3QD. Thanks guys!
Posted by: DrunktankDan | Sep 12, 2011 4:40:29 PM
Omar, surely you've heard of the MIHOP vs. LIHOP theories? Not everyone who doubts the official story believes the Bush administration "planned & executed" the attack; some suspect they simply did a cost/benefit analysis of the impossible-to-ignore warnings and decided it was in their best long-term strategic interests to let it happen.
As for motives, are you aware that a dozen or so key figures in the Bush administration were members of a prominent neocon think tank, "Project for a New American Century (PNAC)"? In September 2000 (before the Bush presidency), PNAC published a report titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" which stated the desirability of "some catastrophic catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor," to justify the invasion of states in key geographic areas for the purpose of installing permanent U.S. military bases. This, in pursuit of their stated goal of U.S. global domination through military power.
The PNAC report is a long, tedious read. It can be read in its entirety at the PNAC website under "Publications/Reports." A good summation can be found here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm
The PNAC-Iraq invasion connection was first published by the Sunday Herald on Sept.15, 2002 in an article by Neil MacKay. The original article is no longer available, but copies were preserved, and one can be found here: Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President.
Soon after, another seminal article appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, "The President's Real Goal in Iraq" by Jay Bookman. This article has also disappeared, but a preserved copy is stored here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm
Would this be the sole reason I doubt the official story? No, of course not. I doubt it because there are simply too many holes in it.
Posted by: Susan | Sep 12, 2011 4:45:57 PM
Susan,
Thanks very much for those references.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 5:06:20 PM
Susan, I am happy to see that you dont subscribe to the controlled demolition bullshit. That the Bush admn took advantage of the event to do things it wanted to do anyway is probably true. That they knew planning details and didnt act is more speculative and no proof of that has been offered..
Posted by: omar | Sep 12, 2011 5:43:36 PM
Wesley Clark
Susan didn't say she didn't subscribe to what you continue to call bullshit, Omar.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 6:51:20 PM
Michael Parenti
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 12, 2011 7:17:24 PM
My word! Whether the readership ascribes to the official line, the truther line or the revisionist POV re: the destruction of The Towers on 9/11 closely parallels those kerfuffles about atheism, new atheism, markers for who's really stupid and who couldn't be, not to mention Richard Dawkins, that characterized this blog in its formative years. Either way, it's a turf battle for the citadel held by the truly intelligent. History will tell. And until it does, there are radical certainties all around the issues that no incontrovertible evidence supports.
Posted by: Elatia Harris | Sep 12, 2011 8:04:02 PM
I think the smart money will be on the evidence-based verdict.
To me, the evidence seems to be:
1) planes slam into towers
2) big fires from fuel rage out of control
3) heat weakens steel structure (already severely damaged by plane impact)
4) structure buckles and collapses
If there is any conspiracy to be seen, it is a conspiracy of incompetence by government agencies in the lead-up to the event. If you call the assaults by the US gov't. on civil liberties in the name of security-theater a conspiracy, be my guest....but a fearful population always seem to look to the rats and thugs for security in times of trouble, instead of using their heads.
I don't believe the official story is complete either, but I am not disposed to believe fuzzy-wuzzy conspiracy theories that pop up on the intertubes. They obscure the truth as much as any government conspiracy would.
Kudos to Omar for speaking out!
Posted by: Bill | Sep 13, 2011 3:35:52 AM
Bill,
Just one problem:
1. Two planes slam into WTC towers.
2. Three building collapse.
Doesn't quite add up, does it?
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 13, 2011 9:42:53 AM
2 planes smash into WTC towers.
3 buildings brought down by controlled demolition.
Doesnt quite add up, does it? Cheney didnt know how many remote controlled planes he was firing that day? Was he drunk when he gave the orders? or did he have a particularly bad experience in the public toilet of WTC-7 in 1968 (as documented on several internet sites and supported by at least one engineer I know in New Jersey)?
Posted by: omar | Sep 13, 2011 11:02:47 AM
2 planes hit WTC towers. May have collapsed due to planes or controlled demolition.
0 planes hit WTC7. Collapse not due to plane, must be controlled demolition. Logical?
Posted by: J. Hawkins | Sep 13, 2011 11:19:32 AM
Actually, no. The building caught fire when it was hit by fiery debris from the WTC. It eventually collapsed. I see no big issue here, but whatever. believe what you wish.
Posted by: omar | Sep 13, 2011 11:38:49 AM
Ah yes, the "fiery debris". It has brought many a building to complete collapse before.
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 13, 2011 11:42:58 AM
WTC7? Here goes...
Wikipedia: "The debris also ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon on lower floors of the building. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed completely at 5:21:10 pm. The collapse began when a critical column on the 13th floor buckled and triggered structural failure throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of the east mechanical penthouse"
Then there is also this crazily detailed photographic documentation. If you page down to the bottom, you will see a diagram illustrating the author's theory about where and how the building failed.
Posted by: M73 | Sep 13, 2011 12:29:21 PM
Anybody who has witnessed a controlled demolition knows that the explosives are detonated in a precise, time-controlled manner. None of this is evident in any video I've seen of the WTC disaster.
As I understand, Building 7 was set ablaze by debris and, being structurally linked to one of the WTC towers, suffered unsustainable stress at its interface boundary. Not to mention the explosive rise of internal air pressure due to the collapsing adjacent WTC tower folding up, accordion style..
Posted by: Bill | Sep 13, 2011 1:36:41 PM
Are the Germans an intelligent, logical people? Or are they a bunch of "lunatic" truthers?
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-01-21/poll-germany-895-doubt-official-version-911
Whatever you may believe, "truthers" are not a lunatic fringe.
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 14, 2011 9:44:28 AM
Not sure if that proves much, J. Isn't homeopathy "accepted science" in Germany?
Intelligent & logical
Posted by: Carlos | Sep 14, 2011 10:19:35 AM
Yes, they're weird that way. And what's with the 70 year old nudists? Still, they've come up with some pretty good philosophy over the years and are not too shabby when it comes to music. I wonder if the 11% of Germans who actually believe the official story on 9/11 are considered crazy. by the way, their former defense minister is also a truther.
Posted by: J. Hawkins | Sep 14, 2011 10:30:41 AM
The Wall Street Journal calls the economy a plutonomy following 9/11 while the Washington post points out Homeland Security is building an HQ building larger than the Pentagon, while a U.S. Senator who was head of the Intelligence Committee says we must have a new investigation because the people were lied to.
It is a family affair.
Posted by: Dredd | Sep 14, 2011 12:28:49 PM
The Guardian reports that the richest 400 American families now have more wealth than the bottom 50% of Americans.
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 14, 2011 1:14:49 PM
Dredd,
Marx was exactly right about the problem, but completely wrong about the solution.
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Sep 14, 2011 1:24:40 PM
Paul Craig Roberts
On the Truther critics
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Sep 14, 2011 2:59:16 PM
The percentage of truthers in a foreign population depends on the population's feelings about America (their "priors"?).
Germans, for various reasons including, perhaps, a war, many many years of having American troops in their country, being a bit like Japan (a rich country without power), being targets for nuclear weapons they did not own or want...and who knows what else.. may be less trusting of America than most. Though I am sure Pakistanis outscore even the Germans in terms of "percentage who believe in 9-11 bullshit"..these things can be complicated, but I am sure there is a theory out there about why Germans in particular are more responsive to this BS.
I think its AMERICAN truthers who are a bit disconcerting. Not all of them, e.g. I see no reason to be surprised if ex-Black panthers turn out to be heavily "truther". There are groups that have reasons (sometimes very good reasons, sometimes not so good) to hate the United States establishment and it makes sense for them to be eager truthers.
But White middle class truthers seem to be balanced too far on the "sincerely believe in nonsense" side of things.
I am aware that there are some White people who imagine they are at war with the evil system, but I think we can all agree that this "war" stretches the boundaries of "oppression" and "resistance" a bit...and without a good solid prior reason to hate "the powers that be", and with access to direct personal experience of living talking members of the "powers that be", there is no justification for falling for this stuff.
Since this comment is rather convoluted, I will try again: the controlled demolition story is bullshit, but there are many many people in this world who either have no good way of knowing what the US establishment is actually capable of and what its not capable of, OR who have such good reasons to hate the US that their latching on to such a theory is understandable...but truthers in American Universities? or living in relative comfort in Minnesotta? I am sorry, but the handicap committee sees no grounds for offering them a handicap...
Posted by: omar | Sep 14, 2011 4:23:11 PM
>>I am sorry, but the handicap committee sees no grounds for offering them a handicap...<<
We could perhaps concede that they possess a handicap in their critical thinking faculties, no?
Cheers!
Posted by: Bill | Sep 15, 2011 5:07:51 AM
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