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August 30, 2011

Debating "Guilty Pleasures"

Vinyl Over in the blogosphere, a debate seems to be emerging. So far Atrios, Matthew Yglesias, Amanda Marcotte and Lindsay Beyerstein have weighed in. Lindsay:

Good taste can be idiosyncratic, in fact, it's expected to be. You're supposed to like what you like for your own well-thought-out reasons, and not just like what everyone else likes. (There are also shared cultural and class standards of "good taste," but those aren't what I'm talking about.)

Someone with taste has a well fleshed-out theory about what makes a work of art good or bad. The cultivated observer is supposed to be able to see something new and rigorously scrutinize it according to their code...

Having coherent reasons for your preferences is integral to the concept of good taste. You're supposed to be able to recognize a band that swings hard, or a rocking baseline, or witty lyrics, or whatever you think is important in music.

You gain status for your good taste if you can reliably pick stuff that other people will like. You can't be capricious. If you recommend songs strictly because they have sentimental value for you, they're unlikely to appeal to other people. You have to appeal to shared musical values.

"Guilty pleasures" are things people like but can't justify liking. The concept of a guilty pleasure only makes sense if you try to live by an aesthetic code in the first place.

Posted by Robin Varghese at 07:11 PM | Permalink

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Deabting "Guilty Pleasures"

NO!!!!!!!

DEBATING GUILTY PLEASURES

HAVE YOU NO SHAME!

Posted by: Chris Gudmann | Aug 31, 2011 2:29:12 AM

Leaving aside the spelling issue, I think there is an incoherence in trying to lay aside cultural/class conventions of taste, then reintroducing them later via the notion of 'shared musical values'.

The notion of justifing, or failing to justify, one's choices implies taste; taste itself implies shared standards, assuming taste doesn't just mean 'I like this for purely personal reasons'. which the writer thinks it doesn't.

I'm all for coming clean about the assumption of shared (but contested) values/taste. Otherwise all you have left is 'I like/dislike this'..which works fopr icecream but not for Mahler or the novels of David Foster Wallace. Of course, one can leave it there, with the simple grunt of pleasre or disgust, but in that case the rest is silence and grunting.

As for 'Guilty pleasures' -maybe this is about the hit of pleasere one can't approve? -like a sugar rush? Maybe the question of kitsch could be raised here, too...

Posted by: Chris | Aug 31, 2011 5:19:55 AM

Corrected.

Posted by: Robin | Aug 31, 2011 10:08:00 AM

speaking of Guilty Pleasures" http://circadiansongs.com/Art/Pages/Book_of_Guilty_Pleasures.html

Posted by: anechoic | Aug 31, 2011 12:38:46 PM

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