July 25, 2011
Vaccinations Should Not Be Mandatory
In a recent article for Big Think, David Ropeik argues that the risk posed by unvaccinated people is sufficient to justify coercing them into vaccinating. Measles is a potentially deadly disease and outbreaks are occurring due to declining vaccination rates, he reasons. "What does society do when one person’s behavior puts the greater community at risk? [...] We make them stop." I suppose it depends on the behavior and the degree of risk, but where vaccination is concerned, I disagree that coercive measures are warranted. While measles is not a fun disease and it can kill people, the sacrifice of individual autonomy isn't justified in this case.
The risk of getting the measles in the US is very low.
Between 2001 and 2010, the US saw 692 cases. 292 of these were imported by travelers who caught the disease in another country. Since you can't blame your unvaccinated compatriots if you catch the measles in another country, we'll exclude these. That leaves 400 cases in 10 years out of approximately 297 million people. The odds of getting the measles in the US in a typical year are thus 0.13 in a million. Given that about 10% of the population is unvaccinated, the odds of an unvaccinated person getting the disease are about 1.3 in a million.1 Note that the odds are higher for the unvaccinated, but 1.3 in a million is still extremely rare.
Of course, the risk is undoubtedly higher this year since there were over 150 cases reported by the end of June. However, the majority of these were foreign visitors and US residents who caught the disease abroad. Assuming half of these cases were acquired in the US and that current trends continue until year end, we could expect the odds of an unvaccinated person getting the measles this year to be about 4.9 in a million (150 in 30.9 million). These are pretty slim odds, measly even.
People often argue that it isn’t those who refuse vaccination they’re worried about, but those who are too young to be vaccinated, typically those under a year of age. About 15% of measles cases reported in the first half of this year affected children in this age group. This could end up being as many as 23 infants by year end (again using 150 as an estimate for the year total). So the chances of a child under age one getting the measles this year would be about 5.3 in a million.2 To put this risk in perspective, these odds are about the same as the odds of dying from a fall down the stairs (5 in a million).3 Odds of dying from the measles are less than 1 in 1000 cases. So the odds of an infant getting the measles in the US and dying as a result are about 5.3 in a billion. Panic is not in order.
The risk associated with vaccines is also incredibly small but it merits consideration if you think a 5 in a million chance of getting the measles warrants losing sleep. The rate of anaphylaxis (a serious allergic reaction) following MMR vaccination was estimated from VAERS reports at 1.8 in a million. With current levels of immunization coverage, the risk of a serious allergic reaction to a vaccine is comparable to the risk of an unvaccinated person getting measles in a typical year. However, it's worth keeping in mind that it’s because 90% of the population is vaccinated that the risk of getting measles is as low as it is. If a bunch of people reason “well, the chances are slim that I’ll get the disease so I’ll skip the vaccine” the chances of getting the disease will climb. With this in mind, a 1.8 chance in a million of anaphylaxis is worth taking. Of course there are other adverse events associated with the MMR vaccine, like fever, but these are minor and transient. (If there were convincing evidence of a link between autism and vaccines I’d discuss it here but I haven't found any).
Given the recent resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, people might understandably assume that vaccination rates have dropped and that forcing vaccine refusers to vaccinate will solve the problem. This doesn't seem to be the case.
Vaccination rates aren't declining
Ropeik argues: “The evidence is overwhelming that declining vaccination rates are contributing to outbreaks of disease. Take just one example, measles. The WHO reports outbreaks in many countries where vaccination rates have gone down: As of June - France (12,699 cases in 2011, more than in all of 2010 already, including six deaths), Spain (2,261), Italy (1,500), Germany (1,193, one death), Switzerland (580), Romania, Belgium, Denmark, and Turkey.” Based on WHO data, however, the rates of vaccination with “measles containing vaccine” do not appear to be declining (see chart below).
*2005 and 2006 data for France were not available.
While vaccination in many countries may be below desired levels, globally, childhood immunization is higher than ever. Despite the prevalence of anti-vaccination sentiments and misinformation in the media (on both sides of the debate), vaccination rates in the US is not declining either (see chart below).
*Based on CDC data for 19- to 35-month-olds. The 2010 value used is an estimate based on data provided for July 09 to June 10. Data was not available for 3+DTP (3 doses or more) for 2005-2008.
Between 2008 and 2009, there was a noticeable dip in MMR uptake, but this is unlikely to have had a sudden or dramatic effect on overall coverage, since fluctuations in this age group would be buffered by the rest of the population. Despite minor fluctuations, vaccination coverage in the US is relatively high and stable. The CDC agrees. As Anne Schuchat, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, notes "Nearly all parents are choosing to have their children protected against dangerous childhood diseases through vaccination."
Coercive measures may not work
In light of the recent resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, it would be a good time for vaccine refusers to rethink vaccination and for vaccine accepters to get a booster. It would also be a good idea for travelers to other countries to make sure their immunizations are up to date. It isn’t clear, however, how much of an effect coercive measures to boost already-high vaccination rates in the US would have on outbreaks. In France, where MMR vaccination is compulsory for pre-school children, coverage is only at 85%.
Ropeik suggests that we might place restrictions on the community/social facilities that unvaccinated people may use. There's reason to believe that this may be counterproductive. Despite overall high, stable vaccination rates, rates have declined in some areas resulting in pockets or clusters of susceptible people. If certain schools or facilities have a high proportion of susceptible members, a single infected person could result in a large outbreak, with contagious people subsequently dispersing throughout the community and infecting others. Restricting the unvaccinated to a smaller selection of schools or facilities would concentrate susceptible people in these places. If the clustering of unvaccinated people is an important factor in disease transmission, policies that promote it are ill-advised.
Increased vaccination may not save money
Ropeik points out that “[One] outbreak cost two local hospitals a total of nearly $800,000, and the state and local health departments tens of thousands more, to track down the cases, quarantine and treat the sick, and notify the thousands of people who might have been exposed." The cost of managing outbreaks, however, serves as poor justification for coercive measures, since the cost of vaccinating the remaining 10% of the population would be at least $1.2 billion ($20/dose x 2 doses x 30.9 million); $800, 000 is chump change. It might not be worthwhile financially to vaccinate a population beyond what’s considered ample to establish herd immunity. Of course, cost isn’t always a great guide when it comes to ethical decision-making since not all things of value come with price tags. What value would we assign to a human life? Autonomy, too, has value.
To sum up, coercive measures aren't indicated because the risk posed by measles is low, a high proportion of the population is vaccinated and continue to vaccinate their children voluntarily, coercive measures may be counterproductive, and autonomy is valued by many people.
I wholeheartedly endorse vaccination, at least where dangerous diseases are concerned and the vaccines have a long track record of being relatively safe and effective. For polio, measles, and pertussis, I think everyone who can be vaccinated should be. What I oppose is the unjustified denial of people’s right to make their own informed decisions. I’d like to live in a society with 99% immunization coverage, but an 8 or 9% increase with a slight reduction in an already-low risk isn’t worth a sacrifice of others' autonomy.
1 This assumes that all 40 measles cases per year affect unvaccinated people which is actually not the case, so this estimate is high.
2 For the total number of children in this age group, I've used one fifth of 2009's under 5 population found here, adjusted for 0.977% yearly population growth.
3 This statistic is attributed to the National Safety Council; I found it in Discovery Channel's shark week quiz. Give it a try.
photo credit: Wikimedia Commons
*Correction/clarification: I previously stated that Ropeik’s piece was titled “Should Vaccination Be Mandatory?”. I subscribe to Big Think’s newsletter and Ropeik’s article had been delivered to my inbox with this heading, so I mistakenly thought it was the title. This correction has now been made in my post. Regrettably, I also titled my post in response to this question and I think the term “mandatory” is confusing here. By mandatory, I mean that exemptions for philosophical and/or religious reasons wouldn’t be allowed, as they generally are. Ropeik seems to be arguing for coercive measures beyond policies that are currently in place and this is where my disagreement lies.
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My concern is that if a person chooses not to vaccinate, they alone should bear the cost of the possibility of being infected -and of leading to the infection of others.
Posted by: chris | Jul 25, 2011 5:50:42 AM
Who is Quinn O'Neill, and why does his nonsense merit publication at 3QD?
Wikipedia:
While the vast majority of patients survive measles, complications occur fairly frequently, and may include bronchitis, and panencephalitis which is potentially fatal. Also, even if the patient is not concerned about death or sequela from the measles, the person may spread the disease to an immunocompromised patient, for whom the risk of death is much higher, due to complications such as giant cell pneumonia. Acute measles encephalitis is another serious risk of measles virus infection. It typically occurs two days to one week after the breakout of the measles exanthem, and begins with very high fever, severe headache, convulsions, and altered mentation. Patient may become comatose, and death or brain injury may occur.
Brain disease and resulting injury aren't always fatal, but they are eminently worthy of prevention.
According to the same article, about 450 children die *daily* from measles.
... Leaving aside what "individual autonomy" means when the issue is whether a parent has his or her *child* vaccinated. The child's autonomy? The parent's?
Next week, I suppose 3QD will run an item on how these vaccines also cause autism.
Posted by: Anderson | Jul 25, 2011 8:36:58 AM
The risk of getting the disease is low BECAUSE most people now are vaccinated and they prevent transmission. Endogeneity and so on...
The author is clueless. Get an economist to do a proper analysis of this!
Posted by: Anonymous Coward | Jul 25, 2011 9:44:50 AM
is this article a joke?
the foundation of the argument against mandatory vaccinations is that the risk of contracting measles in the US (where the MMR is MANDATORY) is low???
Has the author ever heard of herd immunity? Vaccinations only work when a LARGE percentage (think over 80%) of the population is vaccinated - this breaks down chains of infection and protects the portion of the population that is not immunized. Vaccines protect POPULATIONS - they are a public health measure.
I'm surprised this was published, I've never seen such misinformation on this website before.
Posted by: kate | Jul 25, 2011 9:57:38 AM
That vaccination notion does not apply to the government.
The government should be forced to take their medicine at all times.
Other than that it should be shown to be a good thing first before others are forced into sometimes questionable vaccination.
Posted by: Dredd | Jul 25, 2011 10:43:53 AM
Anti-Vaccination=Anti-science. Regardless of the statistics she presents, this article should be ignored.
Posted by: ken | Jul 25, 2011 1:01:31 PM
@kate, @Anonymous Coward
The authors is clearly aware of herd immunity and mentions it in his analysis.
"However, it's worth keeping in mind that it’s because 90% of the population is vaccinated that the risk of getting measles is as low as it is. If a bunch of people reason “well, the chances are slim that I’ll get the disease so I’ll skip the vaccine” the chances of getting the disease will climb."
Read thoroughly, before criticizing.
Posted by: Anze | Jul 25, 2011 2:37:25 PM
Anze, since you have "read thorougly," why don't you show us what rebuttal O'Neill makes to the passage you quote?
"Yeah, free riders are a problem, but I'm being contrarian here, so let's just move on" is not an adequate refuation.
This stuff belongs at Slate.com, not at 3QD.
Posted by: Anderson | Jul 25, 2011 3:00:20 PM
@ Anderson - then I suppose I don't understand, because the author focuses so emphatically on the very low risk of contracting measles in the United States, yet that simple passage invalidates their entire point....?
I think coercive measures are certainly worth debating - but I do think the author poorly constructed their argument, and (to me) the article read like an argument against vaccines instead of against coercive measures. Does that make sense?
Posted by: kate | Jul 25, 2011 3:33:24 PM
Why are young girls being vaccinated with Gardasil?
Why are newborns being vaccinated for hepatitis B? Are newborns exposed to hepatitis B?
Why are clinical trials for children suggested for anthrax vaccine?
Anthrax Vaccine Trials
Nothing like 3QD group think to make a call on science.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jul 25, 2011 3:33:54 PM
More on Vaccine Safety
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jul 25, 2011 4:01:33 PM
O'Neil makes a pretty compelling argument that challenges many people's assumptions.
I think the main flaw of the essay is not in the reasoning, which is quite sound, but from the lack of a clear, unifying thesis statement at the end. Something like:
"I wish everyone would get vaccinated. But there's plenty of evidence to show that adding legal mandates to our current system would not increase our rates of immunization, which are one of the highest rates in the world. Rather, it would merely increase public expense and infringe upon personal freedom."
That's essentially what she's saying. And based on the evidence she provides, it's pretty difficult to argue with.
Posted by: Akim Reinhardt | Jul 25, 2011 5:46:14 PM
Also, a better title might be "Should Non-Vaccinators Be Punished?"
Maybe not. I would have expected lower vaccination rates in the US, given the noise I hear from non-vaxers, so that was encouraging. I wouldn't blame the parents in this video, whose baby died of pertussis before he could be fully immunized, if they felt like someone should be punished. Or at least sued.
Posted by: Vicki Baker | Jul 25, 2011 7:35:04 PM
I think the author just needs to do more research. Falling vaccination rates really do lead to outbreaks, as in the UK after the "link" with autism was discovered. This WHO data may not support Roepik's claims, but other data does.
While I am certainly uncomfortable leaving my health decisions up to those with MDs and the government, I am more uncomfortable with leaving it up to the general public to decide, which is really what happens when vaccines are not mandatory. Nevermind the small babies argument, a small percentage of vaccines do not cause the recipient to build up the antibodies.
Posted by: Kale | Jul 25, 2011 9:38:10 PM
All true of course. Everyone is better off not getting vaccinated against measles and other contagious diseases as long as everybody else is vaccinated. That makes not getting vaccinated essentially an evil act since it is only logical if you violate the Kantian imperative to not use others as objects. Yes you have a "right" to not get vaccinated if you are that anti-social or incapable of rationally evaluating the data, and I might even grant you the "right" to keep your children un-vaccinated. But as an entertaining gedankenexperiment I suggest assuming that enough people take the selfish position so that herd immunity wanes below that needed to protect un-vaccinated newborns. Does the "right" to refuse vaccination continue to exist? Or have we determined what kind of (citizen) you are?
Posted by: Mark Hauswald | Jul 25, 2011 10:27:08 PM
This is a ridiculous article. You acknowledge yourself that if fewer people vaccinate, the risks will climb; ergo your argument is worthless.
Also, as one of the babies who *did* contract measles, I suggest you should shut up.
Posted by: Georgia Claire | Jul 25, 2011 11:50:48 PM
In response to the commenter who posted that babies are vaccinated against hep B, implying that this was done for no good reason:
This disease can be transmitted from parent to child. In the event that an adult carrier gives birth, if the baby is injected within 12 hours with a vaccine, and given a course of treatment that lasts several months, the disease can be cured.
Posted by: AW | Jul 26, 2011 1:21:22 AM
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons have testified before Congress that one major problem with one-hundred percent immunization mandates, is that you obliterate one of the foundations of scientific investigation--the control group. There are scientific reasons for at least exploring the question of mandatory vaccines:
http://ffitz.com/nyvic/health/hep-b/aaps.htm
Posted by: lambness | Jul 26, 2011 11:49:28 AM
It's hard to understand the premise of this article.
It's not surprising that vaccination rates aren't falling in America. There's tons of coercive measures to make sure kids are vaccinated. It's time consuming to get exemptions for public school, most extricuricular stuff requires vaccinations, social pressure requires it. If those coercive measures were gone, and it truly was a free choice, vaccination rates would drop dramatically.
Is that what the author wants?
Posted by: L2P | Jul 26, 2011 1:01:04 PM
Thank you, AW. Sometimes the hep B carrier who gives birth doesn't know she has the disease?
Thank you, lambness. That's an interesting resource.
I found this article on the increasing number of vaccines given - yet still a high infant mortality rate.
Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jul 26, 2011 2:07:46 PM
This is a painfully stupid and dangerous argument. It is quite obvious that the author is unacquainted with concepts such as herd immunity (the level of vaccination required in a population for the unvaccinated to have a reduced infection risk; approximately 92% vaccination rate). I also find it quite disingenuous for the author to say "there's no evidence of a link between autism and vaccines so I won't discuss it!" when that nonexistent link is the primary reason for the anti-vaccination movement in the first place. "The risk of getting measles in the US is very low"...BECAUSE of mandatory vaccination for children enrolled in public schools.
I would also point the author to studies showing a prevalence for measles of 15% in unvaccinated populations (more than double the rate in vaccinated cohorts), see here: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/03/for_the_anti-vaccinationists_out_there_t.php
Posted by: Christopher Handy | Jul 26, 2011 6:39:53 PM
Kids in Malawi forced to get vaccinated at gunpoint
How much coercion is needed to get a 92% vaccination rate?
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jul 26, 2011 8:52:44 PM
Thanks for sharing your views, folks.
As I’ve clarified at the bottom of my post, I’m not arguing for the removal of regulations that are currently in place, I’m arguing that there’s insufficient justification for coercive measures beyond policies that are already in place (which I generally don’t view as coercive). By “mandatory”, I mean "no religious or philosophical exemptions", i.e., forced. I regret using the term since people may interpret it differently. In the US, for example, where there are vaccination requirements for school enrollment, vaccination is often considered to be mandatory even though exemptions are generally permitted. In Canada, some provinces have similar vaccination requirements for schools, but it’s not considered compulsory since exemptions are allowed. Vaccination is also considered voluntary in Finland, where coverage is over 97%.
The US Department of Health and Human Services seems to think that 90% vaccination coverage is a reasonable baseline goal. From a CDC report (linked in original post): “The 2009 National Immunization Survey [...] found that vaccine coverage against poliovirus; measles, mumps and rubella; hepatitis B and varicella (chickenpox), remained relatively stable and near or above the national Healthy People 2010 goal of 90 percent or higher”. Christopher, I agree that 92% would be better than 90%, but I don’t think coercion is the best way to get there. I also don’t think that 90% is low enough to warrant panic or extreme measures.
To be clear, I’m not anti-vaccination, I’m anti-coercion where it’s not justified. With vaccination rates as high as they are, risk as low as it is, and little evidence to suggest that coercion is the best way to achieve optimal rates, justification for force just isn’t there, not for MMR in 2011 anyway.
I avoided the autism issue because it would easily fuel a 2000-word post on its own. Also, while I fully endorse MMR vaccination, this piece wasn’t an attempt to sway anyone to a pro-vaccination position, it was a refutation of Ropeik’s arguments for force. If there were convincing evidence of a vaccine-autism link it would have helped my argument and I’d have given the topic at least a paragraph. I have spent sufficient time poring over the relevant PubMed literature to be fully convinced that there’s no vaccine-autism link whatsoever. That said, I’m not indiscriminately pro-vaccination and I think the risk/benefit profile should be considered separately for each vaccine and each potential recipient.
Posted by: Quinn O'Neill | Jul 26, 2011 11:09:05 PM
Hi Quinn. Thanks for engaging with the discussion thread.
I took some time with the original Big Think article, and looked over your response and addendum again. You're not arguing against vaccination, but where you differ from Ropeik seems to be on the (small L) libertarian issue of personal choice. Ropeik frames the issue quite clearly in his opening two paragraphs as one of the member of society not having a right to life (mortality) and liberty (health) superior to that of another member.
Herd immunity serves as a bulwark against infection not primarily for the benefit of the healthy unimmunized, but for the benefit of those too young or infirm to be immunized or fully immunized themselves. The healthy unimmunized create vectors for disease to attack those most in need of their protection.
As such, I can't help feeling that Ropeik's argument against personal selfishness in the face of a preventable disease stands. None of the "coercive" measures Ropeik advocates overbalance the loss of life and liberty required of those receiving vaccination against the loss of life and liberty to those harmed by their making such a choice.
Posted by: Space Toast | Jul 27, 2011 12:29:48 AM
Interesting link, Louise. It jogged my memory of something, but I can't find anything more reliable than This Link.
Jist is, we overcount, it is claimed--preemies and such--relative to some other countries.
On the other hand, you'd think the overcounting might be mitigated by the decreased mortality rates garnered by having the most vaccinations administered to each infant.
The control group argument certainly seems valid, particularly if it is small enough, and distributed enough to not impact overall fitness.
Posted by: Carlos | Jul 27, 2011 8:52:49 AM
Overpopulation directly results in environmental devastation, war, hunger, and disease. An easy solution would be to forcibly sterilize a single generation after their first child.
Would you line up to be chemically sterilized? Would you argue that everyone else should be forced to do it as well? Even if you say you would do volunteer for it, what if there were studies showing that the procedure may not work and had unknown side effects?
The idea of vaccinations is a compelling theory, but I'm shocked by how many scientifically minded people will defend the theory as though it's been proven. There are many doctors, scientists, and parents who have raised legitimate concerns about the efficacy, safety, and life of vaccines. Shouldn't any medicine -- or scientific idea -- withstand the test of constant scrutiny?
I find it baffling that 3 quarks daily seems so intellectually uncurious when it comes to this important, complicated topic.
Posted by: velika | Jul 27, 2011 6:58:55 PM
@Space Toast
I agree that one member of society shouldn’t have a greater right to life and liberty than another. However, many people place great value on their right to make their own decisions about medical interventions to which they're subjected; the sacrifice of this right shouldn’t be taken lightly. The measles risk posed by vaccine refusers, even to an infant, is small enough that it should be taken relatively lightly. You’re more likely to suffer serious harm or death from tripping (deaths from tripping/slipping each year: about 2 in a million). Yet we generally don’t think of walking as a risky activity and we routinely accept far greater risks as a part of everyday life. Consider this: over 200, 000 children each year suffer playground injuries that require emergency room treatment. About half of these are pretty serious (severe–fractures, internal injuries, concussions, dislocations, and amputations). Yet few parents would forbid their children to play on a playground because of the risk of injury. People generally accept that living a normal happy, healthy life means accepting a degree of risk. It seems misguided for parents to allow their child to play on playgrounds and yet insist that a risk to their child that’s more than 1000 times smaller warrants sacrificing their compatriots’ right to informed decision-making. Is autonomy worth nothing?
Given the low measles risk and the high rate of vaccine coverage already achieved, the anticipated benefits of forced vaccination are too small to justify the sacrifice of autonomy, unless you don’t value autonomy much at all. We probably differ on how much risk or benefit is enough to justify this sacrifice and this is probably dependent on our political philosophies, which are unlikely to change as a result of the facts (e.g., we may agree that the risk is very small, but you may feel that it’s adequate justification and I may feel that it’s not). This is a moot point, however, since other countries have demonstrated that optimal immunization coverage can be achieved with voluntary measures. Regardless of whether coercion would be justified on the basis of risk or benefit, there's little evidence to suggest that it's a necessary or effective way to achieve optimal coverage.
Posted by: Quinn O'Neill | Jul 27, 2011 9:16:07 PM
Louise Gordon asks:
"Why are young girls being vaccinated with Gardasil?".
Simply because it does reduce cervical HPV infection and by clear and universally accepted implication the long term risk of cervical cancer and reducing cervical cancer rates will benefit the community and the individual enormously.
Velicka states:
"There are many doctors, scientists, and parents who have raised legitimate concerns about the efficacy, safety, and life of vaccines. Shouldn't any medicine -- or scientific idea -- withstand the test of constant scrutiny?"
- Actually there are very few doctors and scientists and even parents who have such concerns, but anti-vaccinationists refuse to accept that their position is scientifically unsustainable and has virtually no support in the scientific or medical community. There is a big difference between constant scrutiny and endless repetition of baseless misinformation and fear-mongering.
I respect the arguments Quinn O'Neill puts up regarding the issue of compulsory vaccination but once again the anti-vaccinationists will use such a forum to push their dangerous and foolish claims.
Sorry Velicka, the topic is not complicated - vaccines are very, very safe and very, very effective.
Posted by: chris gow | Jul 28, 2011 10:33:03 PM
Chris Gow,
Re: Gardasil, why so much controversy over its safety?
Gardasil
And, if, as you said to Velicka, vaccines are very, very safe and very, very effective, why are they "legally classified as 'unavoidably unsafe'"?
Vaccines
I also question the increasing number of vaccines young kids are required to get. I mean, we do have immune systems.
Vaccine Issues
And if, as Gates says, the suggestion of links between vaccines and autism is an "absolute lie," what about this?
Federal Court Compensated 83 Vaccine-Injured Autistic Children
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jul 28, 2011 11:36:26 PM
Louise, even the CDC on its website states that concerns over a vaccine-autism link have led scientists to research environmental factors in autism. Read "The Vaccine Book" by Dr. Sears, who is not against vaccines and details the scientific, peer-reviewed research into the topic.
I fail to understand how people can discount the testimony of thousands of parents and grandparents about vaccine-related injury. If you are one of those people, ask yourself: Would you eat at a restaurant after reading that thousands of people were sure they had gotten food poisoning after eating there? Would you be reassured if most of the investigations were paid for or conducted in conjunction with the food supplier? Or if the wait staff kept saying that the people who were getting food poisoning were just at the age where people generally tend to get food poisoning? What if insurance companies didn't cover that sort of food poisoning?
Even if you were sure in your mind that it wasn't the food, wouldn't you want to know more about the surrounding environment -- or some other aspect of the dining-out experience -- before going there? Would you let your kids eat there? How would you feel if your child's school said he or she had to eat there in order to attend?
Again, I think that any medical procedure should hold up against constant scrutiny. If you believe that vaccines truly are safe and effective, then you should welcome any and all questions, criticism, studies, and investigations into the matter. If what you are really saying is, "every parent should take the same risk equally" then that is a different matter altogether.
Posted by: velika | Jul 29, 2011 1:54:22 AM
Thank you, Velika, for the reference.
I just stumbled upon this, which I thought might interest people.
Autism, Genes, New Twin Study
I guess once people believed that Andrew Wakefield's findings were discredited, that ended any question of a link between MMR and autism.
The Crash and Burn of an Autism Guru
I noticed one of the things on his rap sheet was that he failed to disclose funding from attorneys who were pursuing autism injury cases.
Yet Biederman, who collected $1.4 or $1.6 million in undisclosed remuneration from Pharma and has apologized for his "honest mistakes," still presides in at Mass General and Harvard. He is alleged to have told a drug company that risperidone would prove safe among children of preschool age - before the clinical trial had begun.
Biederman
From the NYTimes:
"The number of American children and adolescents treated for bipolar disorder increased 40-fold from 1994 to 2003, researchers are due to report Tuesday in the most comprehensive study to look at the controversial diagnosis. And experts say the numbers have almost certainly risen further in the years since."
All with Biederman's "discovery" of the disorder among children and the neuroleptic drugs that are being prescribed to treat it.
Bipolar disorder cases rise sharply in U.S. children
Drug Maker Told Studies Would Aid It, Papers Say
Perhaps Wakefield actually is a villain. Or perhaps he wasn't quite distinguished enough to avoid crashing and burning.
Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jul 29, 2011 2:48:22 PM
Oprah argues the same point and I disagree for the same reasons. Just look at a history book to see why we get these vacinations. These diseases are so rare because we made them that way. There is minimal downside to getting vacinated. (Oprah argues about mental development issues but these have been proven to develop independently of vaccinations, only at the same time in life, hence people relate them)
Posted by: John Borger | Jul 30, 2011 9:12:20 PM
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