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May 23, 2011

The Absence of Ambedkar

by Hartosh Singh Bal

Ambed At a recent lunch with a writer from the US, discussing our common interest in rivers, I asked him what had led to his new project.  He told me that he had first visited India several years ago and had toyed with several ideas, one involved travelling through the forested areas under Maoist influence, a journey that would take him from the South of India to the foothills of Himalayas, the second involved writing about the Narmada after a visit to some tribal villages on the verge of submergence. His agent in the US, he said, had told him to get real, no one would publish such books, and so now he was planning to travel down the Ganga.

It would not be the first such book, and the logic that drives it is the same logic that has led to a surfeit of books on Gandhi, Joseph Lelyveld’s recent contribution only one more in a long list. In this the world is only responding to the hold the Ganga and Gandhi have over the Indian popular imagination. The burning ghats, the loincloth, the fasts and the satyagraha, platitudes about the soul of India. In each case there is no shortage of outsiders eager to respond to our myths about ourselves.  

It will be argued that there is little harm in either obsession but to do so is to forget that non-fiction in India is a genre that is constrained by the resources local publishers can offer. The possibility of devoting a couple of years to a subject and spending what is required on travel and research remains unlikely.  Publishers abroad who do have the resources have limited bandwith, both in terms of money and in terms of interest in India. Give or take a few India books, this bandwith is largely exhausted by Gandhi and the Ganga. What is true of publishers and writers is as true of academics and academicians and the result is a neglect of people and places crucial to our existence as Indians.

Recently I believe we have had much reason to rue this fact. A gaggle of civil society activists in India have turned to a man named Anna Hazare, who professes to be a Gandhian, in their battle to draft a Bill for setting up a new Constitutional authority to fight corruption. He has resorted with some success to a Gandhian tactic, the public fast, to ensure the government gives in to their demand.

Finding myself on the wrong side of this popular upsurge I was invited to TV studies to offer what amounted to the dissenting view.  In the course of one such discussion I made the point that the Gandhian tactic of arm-twisting the government really had no place in a Constitutional democracy. I quoted one who I believe matters more than Gandhi in our current context, B.R. Ambedkar. In 1949, two years after India’s Independence, a year before the Indian Constitution came into force, the man who was chairman of the drafting committee, made a speech where he argued:

If we wish to maintain democracy not merely in form, but also in fact, what must we do? The first thing in my judgement we must do is to hold fast to constitutional methods of achieving our social and economic objectives. It means we must abandon the bloody methods of revolution. It means that we must abandon the method of civil disobedience, non-cooperation and satyagraha. When there was no way left for constitutional methods for achieving economic and social objectives, there was a great deal of justification for unconstitutional methods. But where constitutional methods are open, there can be no justification for these unconstitutional methods. These methods are nothing but the Grammar of Anarchy and the sooner they are abandoned, the better for us.

Quoting from the speech I found myself contradicted by the most widely respected of the men supporting Hazare, N. Santosh Hegde, a former justice of the Indian Supreme Court. While I could not be sure, it seemed to me that a man who had spent six years of his life on a body that has the final say on interpreting the Indian Constitution, seemed unfamiliar with one of the key speeches made by Ambedkar. It was as if a judge of US Supreme Court were unfamiliar with a key essay in the Federalist Papers.

This is no surprise, while there is widespread public admiration for Ambedkar in India, there is little or no appreciation of his ideas. Even the public admiration is quite often a façade, with the caste elite in India reserving their contempt for the privacy of their homes much as they would their anti-Muslim sentiments. As a result of a few government presses and new publishers such as Navayana, Ambedkar’s own writings are now accessible to those willing to make the effort but we are still far from a good biography of the man or a critical engagement with his ideas.

The situation outside India is even worse, especially if you consider the facts of Ambedkar’s life. He was born to a family of untouchables (known as dailts in contemporary India) of the Mahar caste and was the only one of his siblings to finish high school. He went on post-graduate studies at Columbia and a PhD from the University of London. Back in India he established a successful legal practice and at the same time mobilized the untouchables, leading a very Gandhian satyagarha, not against the British but the upper castes for access to temples and water tanks. Over and over again he made the point to Indians in general and Gandhi in particular that Independence would be a failure if achieved without resolving the inequities which place the untouchables in a position far worse vis a vis the caste Hindus than the position of the latter with regards to the British in colonial India.

As the voice of India’s untouchables, as one of men key to the drafting of the Indian constitution, Ambedkar matters at least as much as Jawaharlal Nehru, and far more than Gandhi, in understanding contemporary India. As a figure of the twentieth century, he is the man, more than Gandhi, who deserves to be counted with Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela in the fight against a tyranny imposed by fellow citizens.

This constant comparison with Gandhi is not without reason, it is necessary because we construct a vision of ourselves as a Republic through the people who we exalt, and in India we have done badly by Ambedkar.  Even the little we have retained is the mythic Ambedkar, the emancipator of the dalits, not Ambedkar the intellectual. I stress the latter because Ambedkar’s years at Columbia take us to one of the great encounters of the twentieth century, his interaction with John Dewey. But for two essays, one by Arun P. Mukherjee and the other by K.N. Kadam, I know of no other piece of writing that deals with the subject and if, for instance, one were to wonder about the impact of American Pragmatism on the Indian Constitution, there is nothing.  

It seems to me that it is Dewey’s impact on Ambedkar that explains his faith in Constitutional democracy, which in turn is one of the main reasons for the surprising stability of the Indian political system. Without Ambedkar, it is difficult to imagine that our long history of the oppression of the untouchables could have been so easily contained in the workings of a democracy. We dwell so much on the fact that Indian could move on after Independence without a hatred for the British, it says so much more that we have been able to move forward without a lasting dalit hatred for the upper castes.

One of the arguments I have heard over and over again explaining the success of Indian democracy is the invocation of a civilizational ethos, our tolerance, the claim goes, is rooted in the traditions of Hinduism. While it is not entirely untrue, this idea is given too much credit. The dailts are a huge counterargument, tolerance for oppression is as much a part of Hinduism as a tolerance of other faiths.

If today revolutionary groups such as the Maoists seek recruits and fail to find them in large numbers among the untouchables it is largely because of Ambedkar.  At the same time Ambedkar as much as Nehru is responsible for the calm rationalism of the Indian Constitution. Gandhi lends himself to every new age anti-science fad, Ambedkar is one of our key antidotes. Far more than the Ganga or Gandhi, if writers and academics  needs to make sense of India they need to spend time on Ambedkar.

Posted by Hartosh Singh Bal at 12:10 AM | Permalink

Comments

Excellent article, admirably sane and lucid. I agree entirely, and hope that your views reach a larger readership.

Posted by: Supriya Chaudhuri | May 23, 2011 3:27:17 PM

Mr. Bal appears not to have read Arun Shourie's excelent book, "Worshipping False Gods" in which he deconstructs the hagiography surrounding Ambedkar. As carefully enumerated by Shourie with copious references from Ambedkar's own words, he was revealed to have deeply colluded with the British and actively sabotaged Gandhi's many attempts to free India from its colonial yoke. In his own time, Ambedkar failed to win over his own "untouchable" constituency and he was in the political wilderness when he was rescued by the remarkably non-vindictive Indian nationalists who gave him the figurehead role in the drafting the new constitution. His posthumous adoption by the purveyors of identity politics have led today to the manufacturing of the unquestioned (for fear of being physically attacked, and, to a lesser extent, the sheer intellectual laziness of India's mimic journalists)Ambedkar myth.

If Shourie is to be faulted in his meticulous research of the Ambedkar myth, it is that he failed to scrutinized just as critically Gandhi's role in delaying independence, and his crippling influence on the Indian National Congress that led it to repeatedly miss opportunities to work out an favorable deal with the departing Brits. Instead, this space was ceded during critical moments to Jinnah and the Muslim League who took full advantage of Gandhi's shackling of the Congress to foment communal violence, and eventually to partition India.

Posted by: Sam | May 23, 2011 9:05:25 PM

A couple of years ago, I came across the Amar Chitra Katha on Ambedkar. The book started out showing Ambedkar's pregnant mother being blessed by a sage (you know one of those fellows with long beard and water-can in their hands). The blessing said that a great child will be born to her. It looks like we kill rationalism very early in India, in children's books.

Posted by: Uccai Siravas | May 24, 2011 1:00:46 PM

In one of the first posts on The South Asian Idea Ambedkar was introduced as follows:

"We will also highlight the contributions of Dr. Ambedkar who, in our view, was one of the outstanding intellects of those times. It is a telling commentary that his observations are virtually unknown in Pakistan.

At the very least his cogently argued text of 1940 Pakistan or the Partition of India should be required reading for all who wish to understand the issues of those times."

The 1940 text (along with other works) is available online at the excellent Ambedkar archive maintained at Columbia University:

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/index.html

Posted by: Anjum Altaf | May 24, 2011 4:22:31 PM

Thanks for this call to arms on behalf of Ambedkar studies. If you have not already encountered The Flaming Feet (2011) by my late teacher D R Nagaraj, allow me to plug it here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flaming-Feet-Other-Essays-Movement/dp/190649780X

Without disagreeing with the thrust of your argument, I'd like to point put that it has been made in a comparativisit, relational manner, which may begin to be its own undoing. For instance, one can never begin to investigate or appreciate what it must have taken for an enlightened, atheistic man, at the end of his life, to have adopted Buddhist ritual practices on account of the new opportunities this move might have for Dalits in the future, if one is always comparing him with the relatively florid and charismatic figure of Gandhi. Rather, it seems to me that the onus is on new scholarship to unravel these and related nuances of Ambedkar's life and thought in ways that are compelling for our contemporary imagination.

Shourie's ideologically-driven shrill little book on Ambedkar, which has been cited above, would at least suggest that there can be a market for new and provocative takes on Ambedkar.

Posted by: aditya dev sood | May 24, 2011 6:52:13 PM

Well said, Aditya. It is important to investigate and evaluate the role and the individual philosophical/ spiritual trajectory of every political leader who made a significant contribution in shaping a nation as independently as possible. I know very little about Ambedkar beyond the usual narrative. I will surely look up your teacher's book.

But Hartosh's point is well taken. A national political movement, unlike a religious one, is rarely the achievement of a single man or woman. However, the Gandhi myth looms so large as a backdrop in the 20th century political history of India that it has acquired nearly religious proportions. None of his contemporaries can escape being measured by the Gandhian yardstick, even when their love for the man was distinct from their respect for his utopian vision. That's a shame because as the author points out correctly, at a distance of 60+ years, Gandhi's influence on modern India is minimal, both philosophically and structurally. The visions of Nehru, Ambedkar, Sardar Patel and even the right wing BJP have contributed far more to the political reality on the ground. I think that is what Hartosh's quibble is about.

Posted by: Ruchira | May 24, 2011 10:31:32 PM

It is ironic that the "ideologically-driven" Shourie is a practicing Buddhist. VS Naipaul was being as perceptive as ever when he noted India's surplus of mimic men. He dismissed Vinoba Bhave as a mimic Gandhian (Anna Hazare being only the latest iteration) and Jyotimoy Basu as a mimic Marxist. Add BR Ambedkar to this mix as the mimic Buddhist.

Posted by: Sam | May 25, 2011 4:24:30 AM

Sam, sample this gem of compassion from the "practicing Buddhist":

"And frankly, I must say, I was more affected by Atalji’s pain than by what had happened in Gujarat. Maybe this is my inhumanity or something. I can’t claim that I was that great liberal."

(source)


Posted by: anon | May 25, 2011 7:27:30 AM

It is no surprise that we never hear much about Ambedkar. At least finally Guha managed to put him on the cover of his latest book. Another interesting figure is Periyar in south India. He didn't want the British to leave.

Posted by: MegJag | May 25, 2011 11:35:56 AM

Good article, Hartosh. I suppose Ambedkar's combativeness against the upper castes—with finger pointing, blunt and unsympathetic analysis of their historical wrongs—and his relentless advocacy of the lower castes served to alienate him from the former. It made it easy to pigeonhole him as a partisan man of his people, rather than a figure of national stature. The tide in the academy is turning though, evident when even non-so-radical historians like Guha start to elevate him.

Posted by: Namit | May 25, 2011 2:03:25 PM

Forget about Ambedkar. The important question is why one of his quotes is the extent of the writer's argument against any sort of protest in democracy. What conception of democracy is this where people just vote and then stay silent till the next election cycle? And why sell this hollow theoretical argument as constitutionalism? Soundbytes are given to Federalist papers, but does the author know that the US constitution is a most revolutionary document, Or as Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Hazare is no Gandhi and his leadership qualities are limited. He is essentially a symbolic figure. But the movement that started in his name is as democratic as any protest/reform movement in any vibrant democracy.

Consider Martin Luther King, Jr. and his adaptation of Civil Disobedience to destroy Jim Crow in the American south. Would you say that because he used Civil Disobedience, he was going against the constitution and was an anarchist. What nonsense.

There are 2 political groups in India who keep hustling Ambedkar. One are the Dalits, and the other is the RSS. The RSS wants to appropriate Ambedkar to counter the populist Dalit resurgence for more affirmative action using constitutional limits. They are also opposed to the Lokpal movement because it shows that their role as political opposition has been taken over by a group of activists. I don't know which political spectrum the writer belongs to, and I am not saying that he is a RSS follower, just that the lokpal movement needs more debate instead of being rubbished using randome quotes of a complex political personality.

Posted by: quarkeist | May 25, 2011 4:47:27 PM

Anon, compassion is not just a Buddhist trait, nor are all Buddhists the Dalai Lama. I have read the interview from which this was parsed, and he seems to have been in favor of having Modi resign over the riots; incorrectly in my opinion.

quarkeist, you are incorrect in claiming that the "RSS" wants to hustle Ambedkar. It is the Congress Party which has invested deeply into sanctifying Ambedkar to co-opt the Dalits into their platform of identity politics. Ambedkar's inconveniently harsh words for Muslims have been swept under the rug to keep Congress' Muslim vote bank in line, although other caste-based parties have made in-roads into their domain.

Posted by: Sam | May 25, 2011 5:29:26 PM

I loved the article, please also see my own article on B R Ambedkar published last month, it demolishes many myths about Ambedkar!!

Ambedkar, the forgotten free-market economist by B Chandrasekaran — April 14, 2011

http://pragati.nationalinterest.in/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pragati-issue49-apr2011-communityed.pdf

http://pragati.nationalinterest.in/2011/04/ambedkar-the-forgotten-free-market-economist/#comment-586

Posted by: Chandra | May 25, 2011 11:35:29 PM

Sam, please note the logic: all compassionate people are not practicing Buddhists, but all practicing Buddhists are compassionate. This is because the cultivation of loving kindness is fundamental to Buddhist practice. My intention was to point out that there's a big difference between being a self-declared Buddhist and a practicing one.

Posted by: anon | May 26, 2011 1:15:59 AM

Anon, I see the error of my ways. The Sinhalese Buddhists were only being compassionate as they singlemindedly eliminated the Tamil separatists in their midst. Or dare we presume that they were just being self-declared Buddhists? And who is being more compassionate as they fire on each other over the location of an ancient (Hindu, no less) temple, Cambodian or Thai (self-declared?) Buddhists?

Posted by: Sam | May 26, 2011 3:01:45 AM

Sam, it was you who insisted on the incompatibility between being "ideologically driven" and being "a practicing Buddhist" (Your words were: "It is ironic that the 'ideologically-driven' Shourie is a practicing Buddhist"). I agree with your incompatibility premise; I only disagree about what adjective one can apply to Shourie, to the extent one knows him from his public statements and appearances.

But now you deny your earlier premise and insist that even those "ideologically driven" people who took part in the Sri Lankan genocide can be called practicing Buddhists! So then, what exactly were you trying to say about Shourie?

Posted by: anon | May 26, 2011 3:45:04 AM

This may be slightly off topic. One difference in the approaches of Gandhi and Ambedkar comes out in an article of Valerian Rodrigues "Reading Texts and Traditions: The Ambedkar-Gandhi Debate" (EPW):
Generally, Gandhi argued, reason and enlightened conscience remained the sine qua non for any understanding of the sacred scriptures....In fact from the traditional criteria of authoritative understanding based on Sruti, Smruti, Achara and the understanding of Sadvipra, Gandhi eliminates the first three, by the law of lapse, and retains only the last in the form of enlightened conscience. The former are now internal to the latter as informing and constituting it and not independent of it or prior to it. Ambedkar did not contest the criteria that Gandhi employed directly. But he said that they could be merely formal. How does one know that a conscience is enlightened? It could be highly prejudiced. In such a case we will be left with nothing but personal testimony without any objective criteria of validation. Ambedkar thought that there were few believing Hindus who were prepared to give up the textual authority of the shastras just because a “mahatma” tells them that religious authority rests in the mode of one’s life. Besides, in a context like that of India there were many who hailed from traditional strata and claimed good reason and enlightened conscience for their stances, although they were refurbished versions of orthodoxy."
There are also some interesting comments with a discussion of Shourie's book by Ramachandra Guha from his book "An Anthropologist among the Marxists and Other Essays" posted in
http://www.ambedkar.org/research/GandhiAmbedkar.htm

Posted by: gaddeswarup | May 26, 2011 8:31:10 AM

quarkeist: I am sympathetic to your perspective. There was a discussion of this subject on The South Asian Idea and one my comments was the following:

"In this context we have to consider whether Anna Hazare’s campaign was democratic or extra-Constitutional. I can argue that many constitutions recognize as democratic the right of labor to unionize and strike for their demands. In that light, Anna Hazare’s campaign can be considered akin to a strike that achieved its objective. I would consider it a democratic mechanism that was more effective at channeling popular sentiment than other mechanisms in India. It did not employ violence or break any rules as far as I know. It was purely the use of moral suasion."

I wonder if you share this interpretation.

Besides the one quote mentioned in the post, Ambedkar also said a number of other relevant things about democracy in India, especially pertaining to what was needed for democratic governance to work for the majority. The need to go outside the democratic system is forced by the slow growth of democratic underpinnings. Some examples:

"Constitutional morality is not a natural sentiment. It has to be cultivated. We must realize that our people have yet to learn it. Democracy in India is only a top-dressing on an Indian soil, which is essentially undemocratic."

"In politics we will be recognizing the principle of one man one vote and one vote one value. In our social and economic life, we shall, by reason of our social and economic structure, continue to deny the principle of one man one value. How long shall we continue to live this life of contradictions?"

Posted by: Anjum Altaf | May 26, 2011 1:22:27 PM

Anon, let me try to cut through the Gordian knot that you have tried to construct. The label "ideologically driven" for Shourie was yours, not mine. I disagree with this, hence the use of quotes. It was also your notion that "practicing Buddhists" were "compassionate" (note the surplus of quotes again), and it is my contention that Buddhists are human beings with frailties like everyone else, and no one should presume who is a good Buddhist. The Sinhalese Buddhists, Thai Buddhists, and Cambodian Buddhists are Buddhists because they believe, period.

Coming back full circle, both Shourie and Ambedkar declared that they are Buddhists. Ambedkar was an atheist who adopted Buddhism for a political reason and not out of religious conviction. As far as I can tell, Shourie, a modern critic of Ambedkar's posthumous hagiography, gains nothing politically by claiming to be a Buddhist - but you may disagree.

More central to my point is that both Shourie and Ambedkar have been critics of Indian Muslim behavior, Ambedkar far more harshly in his writings in my opinion. Yet, Shourie gets labelled "ideologically driven" while Ambedkar is the sanctified Malcolm X equivalent of India's politically-correct establishment. Incidentally, Manning Marable's recent book 'Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention' has a certain similarity to Shourie's book on Ambedkar; but I digress.

Posted by: Sam | May 26, 2011 2:53:28 PM

Correction; The label "ideologically driven" for Shourie was not mine. (It was from an earlier poster who wasn't anonymous.

Posted by: Sam | May 26, 2011 3:01:31 PM

Looking through the comments here, it strikes me that they are largely restricted to South Asians, which in some measure confirms one of my claims. If I had written about Gandhi, this would not be the case. Yes, I did compare and contrast the two, but the battle between Ambedkar and Gandhi is a reality, they lived it out. The Poona Pact is a key example of how Ambedkar was coerced into accepting reservations for Dalits in the legislature when he felt this was far short of the separate electorates the Dalits really needed. The same debate was to be played out between Jinnah and the Congress a few years later with very different consequences.


To return to our times and Anna Hazare, perhaps distance lends a certain sheen to the interpretation of a movement. Anjum has quoted from the same Grammar of Anarchy speech by Ambedkar to critique Indian democracy. As far as quotes go, the portion of the speech most relevant to Hazare is:  


The second thing we must do is to observe the caution which John Stuart Mill has given to all who are interested in the maintenance of democracy, namely, not “to lay their liberties at the feet of even a great man, or to trust him with power which enable him to subvert their institutions.”… This caution is far more necessary in the case of India than in the case of any other country. For in India, Bhakti or what may be called the path of devotion or hero-worship, plays a part in its politics unequalled in magnitude by the part it plays in the politics of any other country in the world. Bhakti in religion may be a road to the salvation of the soul. But in politics, Bhakti or hero-worship is a sure road to degradation and to eventual dictatorship.


My own views on Anna Hazare and Indian democracy are set out rather explicitly here and here.  Indian democracy is far too vibrant and complex an institution to be dismissed in the easy manner of Hazare’s supporters. That does not make it perfect, but then the problems of participation at times other than elections are common to many democracies. There is no better reason to go back to John Dewey. In The Public and its Problems he has essentially dealt with this very question. His answer is better communication, a journalism that can take specialized information to the public, which for him is an overlapping set of groups that come into being in an attempt to evade the negative consequences of the very government the citizens have constituted.  As an answer it does not seem enough, but we have no better answers, satyagraha, even more so one that is so farcical in its claims and objectives, does not count as an answer, as Ambedkar so vividly said.  


That leaves Arun Shourie on Ambedkar, really, though there are some things on which we should not waste our time.

Posted by: Hartosh Singh Bal | May 26, 2011 10:40:59 PM

Hartosh: There is a specific point with respect to separate electorates that needs clarification. Separate electorates on the basis of religion was conceded as early as 1909 (by Gokhale on behalf of Congress). The issue of separate electorates on the basis of caste was raised in 1932 in the draft Indian Constitution. The consequences of not relying on a consistent principle for the two different decisions were as you have noted.

With regard to better communication and education of the public, one cannot argue against that as a normative position. (There is a fascinating back and forth on this all through the 1920s between Jinnah and Gandhi.) But what is to be done about the problems of the public if journalism is not taking the necessary information to the public? The answer that there are no better answers might not be acceptable for ever.

Posted by: Anjum Altaf | May 27, 2011 3:01:43 AM

anjum, the links to the posts i've referred to in my reply were missing.

the URLs are

on anna hazare

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/voices/spare-us-the-gandhian-halo


on indian democracy:

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/why-politics-matters

Posted by: hartosh | May 27, 2011 3:44:59 AM

Hartosh: Thanks for the links. I read the two pieces with interest and have the following reactions:

1. On the Hazare fast, there are two paths that can be followed. One can focus on the attributes of Hazare, whether he is good or bad as a person, acceptable or unacceptable as a leader, and carry this forward (logically, but problematically in my view) to what kind of a person (a real Gandhi) can be allowed the privilege of an unconstitutional action. Or, one can compartmentalize what happened, completely ignore Hazare, and use this as an opportunity to ask why electoral politics in India is so slow in responding to the desires of the electorate and what can be done about it. It may well turn out that corruption itself is not a big issue for the voters and that a combination of the apolitical middle class, opportunists, and a ratings-hungry media have latched on to the Hazare fast to blow it out of proportion. But the larger fact remains, I think, that there is something in electoral politics in India that fails to deal with public grievances leading to the breach of constitutional norms for accelerated response.

2. This does not in any way mean that electoral politics is without value or that any other alternative would be necessarily better. I quite agree with your position in the second piece. But it does mean that democracy as a phenomenon has some unique aspects in India that need to be articulated. Democracy in India is not about delivering what it did in Europe and anyone seeing it in that perspective would be misled. It is a vehicle for something quite different. My own reading is that it stands the European experience on its head which is what makes it so fascinating.

These two lines of argument are developed further in the following posts:

On Hazare:

http://thesouthasianidea.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/corruption-and-democracy-disputing-neera-chandhoke/

The following extended comment to the post pushes the argument further:

http://thesouthasianidea.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/corruption-and-democracy-disputing-neera-chandhoke/#comment-7335

On democracy in India:

http://thesouthasianidea.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/democracy-in-india-–-7/

Posted by: Anjum Altaf | May 27, 2011 11:26:46 PM

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