April 04, 2011
Bloodlust and Jokes and What Lies In Between
by Tom Jacobs
All the time there is this split in the American art and art-consciousness. On the top it is as nice as pie, goody-goody and lovey-dovey. […] You must look through the surface of American art, and see the inner diabolism of the symbolic meaning. Otherwise it is all mere childishness. That blue-eyed darling Nathaniel knows disagreeable things in his inner soul. He was careful to send them out in disguise.
Always the same. The deliberate consciousness of Americans so fair and smooth-spoken, and the under-consciousness so devilish. Destroy! Destroy! Destroy! Hums the under-consciousness. Love and Produce! Cackles the upper consciousness. And the world hears only the Love-and-Produce cackle. Refuses to hear the hum of destruction underneath. Until such time as it will have to hear.
--D.H. Lawrence, Studies in Classic American Literature (1923)
One of the most upsetting scenes in Tarantino’s “Pulp Fiction” (1994)—a film full of upsetting scenes—is what one would probably have to call the “rape scene.” It’s the scene where Bruce Willis’s character (Butch Coolidge) returns to save Ving Rhames’s character (Marsellus Wallace), from an already-in-progress rape and, presumably from a subsequent certain death. All of this takes place in the basement of an already disturbingly creepy pawnshop run by a coupla good old boys. This, in and of itself, is not funny. It’s hard to imagine how or why it might become funny. But it does, oddly, become funny. This is intriguing: how does it comes to pass that we laugh not so much at suffering, but rather at violence, even if it’s fictional.
Susan Sontag, the prophet of how we consume suffering, says this: “Our failure is one of imagination, of empathy: we have failed to hold this reality in mind.” She also says this: “For the photography of atrocity people want the weight of witnessing without the taint of artistry, which is equated with insincerity or mere contrivance.” Imagination and contrivance, it seems, are the problems that plague us. She is right, of course. We don’t understand images of suffering either because we can’t completely empathize because we see these images everyday, or else because they seem too contrived, too beautiful (and one might check the front page of the NY Times…it invariably presents us with an image of beauty and death). We don’t imagine ourselves, not really, in the sufferer’s shoes, and the representations of their lives seem distant and abstract. This is a problem. It is all so far away, so distant and remote, and I asked for a grande not a venti, type of thing.
I feel like a conductor and the audience's feelings are my instruments. I will be like, 'Laugh, laugh, now be horrified'. When someone does that to me I've had a good time at the movies.
Quentin Tarantino
A signature of Tarantino’s work (or at least, his landmark film, “Pulp Fiction”) however, is that “we”—and as Sontag cautions, “No ‘we’ should be taken for granted when the subject is looking at other people’s pain.” “We” can never safely assume that there is a real “we” here—find ourselves laughing at a moment of extreme cruelty and horror. To be sure, not everyone laughs, and I will try to address this incongruence below, but the sequence is so perfectly shot that it’s hard not to respond precisely as Tarantino wants us to. Even if you’ve seen the film—and if you haven’t, well, that’s odd—it will be necessary to re-describe, since I want you to see it as I do.
Butch is, prior to the scene, free and clear. He has cheated gangsters out of a lot of money by refusing to throw a fight. On his way out of town, though, he realizes that he has forgotten an important and luminous object back at his abandoned apartment. His father’s watch. In abbreviated plot summary, he goes to retrieve it, kills one of the gangsters (John Travolta’s character), and then finds himself free again. He drives happily down a decrepit L.A. street listening to the Statler Brothers, and then finds himself confronted with the very gangster he cheated as he walks across the street. Bad things ensue, and both he and the gangster are injured. He is chased (as he must be) through a couple of side streets until he finds his way into a lurid pawn shop. It is there that he confronts his enemy, and just before he issues a coup de grace, both he and his enemy are knocked unconscious.
They both wake up in the cellar of the pawn shop, and bad things ensue. Marsellus is the first to go.
Meanwhile, Butch has made it out of the basement. A professional boxer, he has managed to unbind himself and to expertly punch the “Gimp,” who has recently been released, inexplicably and disturbingly, from a coffin-like box in the basement, where he apparently awaits for the next insane sado-sexual spree). Butch knocks out the Gimp, unbinds himself, and then escapes up the stairs into the sunlight, which seems somehow so far away from the darkness at the bottom of the pawn shop’s stairs.
The key moment is when Butch reaches the door, the daylight pours in and over him, and he realizes he has made it out. (No doubt you’ve seen it, but if not, here’s a verbal description). He is free to go. But, of course, he can’t. He isn’t free. He has to go back.
Butch turns back slowly, and we can see that he is cogitating. What is he thinking about? On the one hand, he is clearly thinking about a plan: he needs a weapon (the hillbillies in the basement have shotguns), so he browses through the collection of creepy cast off things…he picks up in turn a baseball bat, a chainsaw, etc. until he lights upon a “katana” or “samurai” sword. Somehow, this seems just right.
This scene reverberates in many directions, and it also resonates with many well-known archetypes… The All-American white guy (he’s wearing jeans and a blood-bespattered white t-shirt, which seem somehow significant) going to save the beleaguered black guy, the good guy opening up a six-pack of whoop ass on the bad guys, two enemies becoming friends through the crucible of suffering and humiliation. All of these things are there. But what is more interesting is the depiction of the moment of a conscience stumbling over itself. The moment when the self sees itself and can’t go on without doing something altruistic, which, in this case, one understands, is also and at the same time, an act of egotism. Butch returns to the basement not because he wants to, but because he has to. And that makes all the difference. It is a moment of grace, a moment in which Butch is made to confront his own humanity and his responsibility towards others. Even his enemies.
Back to the scene. Butch walks slowly down the stairs, holding the katana sword in front of him like sacred fetish. We understand that he is not sure what he is going to do, which makes it all rather exciting. (And, like “Citizen Kane,” we can hear multiple layers of reality: we hear the soundtrack with its wailing surfy saxophone, which re-registers the meaning of the moment; we hear also Marsellus’s agonies).
What happens next is predictable. Butch kills one of the bad guys and just before he dispatches the other, Marsellus stands up in the background, holding and then shooting the other bad guy’s gun and shoots him in the groin. Then, the following conversation takes place:
BUTCH: “You okay?”
MARSELLUS: “No, man. I’m pretty far from fucking okay.”
What’s extraordinary is that this scene is funny. It’s hard to say why, but I am going to try to explain why I think it’s disturbingly funny, and why, in watching it, we should all be pretty fucking far from okay.
The problem is how to communicate moral problems to a profoundly hostile audience—how, in short, to make us see?
~ Flannery O’Connor
Stendhal famously thought of the novel as a “mirror being carried along a road.” That didn’t make sense to me when I first heard it. What do roads and dudes (and they were mostly dudes at the time, of course) with mirrors reflecting the roads have to with literature? His point is, as I take it, that literature offers the possibility of mirroring social and cultural (and economic, racial, philosophical, etc.) realities to us in a way that we can see and understand and reflect upon. Perhaps better is David Foster Wallace’s cast off comment, that “fiction is about what it means to be a fucking human being.” Or maybe better to try and hold both thoughts together at the same moment.
Flannery O’Connor was also obsessed with violence and the imagination and the idea that we are all imperfect and need to live better lives. Throughout her work, there is this notion of “grace,” of the idea that we are all imperfect and fallen and that we need something bigger and larger than us to get us through the day and night. The problem is that we don’t see or feel this very often. It is only when we are confronted with the abyss, with the silliness of our concerns and with the various forms of our narcissisms—only then do we see our imperfection. We can’t make it through this alone…we need something (not someone) to help us. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense.
So she wrote freaky tales about serial killers and grifters and con men who know how to exploit our deepest desires and longings. She wrote stories of the “grotesque,” as she called them (with a nod towards Faulkner and his Emilies and Bundrens), and in which she sought to force back to the surface the sad realities that we generally choose not to acknowledge:
In these grotesque works, we find that the writer has made alive some experience which we are not accustomed to observe every day, or which the ordinary man may never experience in his ordinary life. We find that connections which we would expect in the customary kind of realism have been ignored, that there are strange skips and gaps which anyone trying to describe manners and customs would certainly not have left. Yet the characters have an inner coherence, if not always a coherence to their social framework. Their fictional qualities lean away from typical social patterns, toward mystery and the unexpected.
Mystery and the unexpected. These are precisely the dimensions missing from most of our lives, I daresay. Disenchanted and possibly disenfranchised, mystery and the unexpected provide some sort of punch to our time-clocked days of work and woe. And this is why violence—even if it’s only fictional depictions of violence—matter. When done right, scenes of violence slap us out of our general stupor, they make us see things again in strange ways. Here’s O’Connor again, speaking of the kind of fiction that would grab us by the lapels and shake us into awareness:
It's not necessary to point out that the look of this fiction is going to be wild, that it is almost of necessity going to be violent and comic, because of the discrepancies that it seeks to combine.
And later, she says:
When you can assume that your audience holds the same beliefs you do, you can relax a little and use more normal means of talking to it. […] You have to make your vision apparent by shock—to the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures.
These are important and profound words. Violence both matters to us and it doesn’t. It is both upsetting and funny. We see It as a spectator and as someone who imagines oneself into those particular ill-fitting shoes. We need to be shocked, convulsed out of our traditional ways of consuming and watching it in order to really see it and its relation to our mundane lives. If that requires the comic, the sense that all of our responses to the world are in some sense ridiculous and that what we should really pay attention to is the mystery of the darkness at the top of the stairs. Everyone’s mortality is unique, although an actuary would suggest otherwise. We don’t have long.
This is where “Pulp Fiction” and O’Connor’s work comes in. Violence tends to focus the attention (It’s the “purest form of expression,” as Herbert Marcuse once said), even as it unveils something of our vanities. Violence (which is different from suffering), when represented in fictional form and crosscut with a sense of humor, is in today’s world, perhaps the only way to make us see. And laughing while we weep, well, that’s a particularly rare experience—and one that ought to make us think about what lies in between.
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Comments
this is a magnificent tapestry! thanks. .
Posted by: mara | Apr 4, 2011 10:49:46 AM
This is an outstanding article.
Posted by: Jesus | Apr 4, 2011 12:56:19 PM
I agree with everything about this article except the conclusion. Having been manipulated to the point of laughing at violence, (yes it is different from suffering, and this distance between the two in entertainment is part of the problem), I think the part of us that should weep at such images has been inured away, and the tone of certain entertainments now assumes that violence and comedy can go together without even considering not only consequences, but rational feelings and responses to whatever carnage we happen to be seeing onscreen.
Posted by: shibadev | Apr 4, 2011 1:31:06 PM
Those Abu Ghraib photos were hilarous. Also these GIs in Afghanistan who cut off the body parts and took pictures with their civilian victims. Big Tarantino fans all of them, I'm sure.
Posted by: Faze | Apr 4, 2011 3:02:03 PM
Faze, the author of this (brilliant) article takes pains to anticipate your response:
"Violence (which is different from suffering), when represented in fictional form and crosscut with a sense of humor, is in today’s world, perhaps the only way to make us see."
That is a carefully-constructed claim that your snide response does little to contradict or criticize.
Tom, I would like to read anything else you've written.
Posted by: Lux | Apr 4, 2011 4:09:47 PM
good shit, mr. jacobs.
Posted by: rafay | Apr 4, 2011 7:10:06 PM
It's funny how people have come to cherish the violence in films as something progressive and antinomian. As if blowing someone's head off were a blow against the establishment. To say that violent comedy is "the only way to make us see" is about as narrow and authoritarian statement as I could imagine. Those are the sentiments of a psycho. There are plenty of ways to persuade us to see, short of violence. "The only way I could get my wife to listen was to hit her." The only way we can get those Taliban to agree with us to kill and dismember them. The only way to get America to see how shallow its values and culture are is to make it laugh at the sight of a man getting his head blown off with a shotgun. It's not like some people find it difficult to laugh at the sight of someone being tortured. The men and women in the Abu Ghraib photos were all laughing their heads off. Torture is fun! It was the only way to get those damned Iraqis to see!
Posted by: Faze | Apr 4, 2011 8:17:23 PM
Faze,
I am actually kind of sympathetic with your disgust at the idea that violence can be funny (although "I'm not sure I care for your tone," as my mother used to say--I'm a "psycho?"). But my point has nothing to do with "actual" violence in the "real world." I am talking about literary or cinematic representations of violence. You are right to note that some of us aren't always so good at seeing the difference, which is problematic to say the least. But that's another discussion. That's all I wanted to say.
Posted by: tom | Apr 4, 2011 8:27:53 PM
I personally dislike Tarantino and like Flannery O'Connor. So I guess it is a matter of taste where one sees violence as a legitimate vehicle of art. Somehow, blood, gore, debasement and torture in visual art, especially cinema, is just that for me - violent. It is only funny if it is slapstick or kiddy cartoon and even then, not always. But I can appreciate a cinematic approach where violence is repulsive, angry-making and depressing better than I can the Tarantino-like switch from the gruesome to the comical. Which is why the despair of No Country for Old Men was better art than the clownish flippancy of Pulp Fiction. But thanks Tom, for sharing your point of view - always interesting.
Posted by: Ruchira | Apr 5, 2011 12:12:37 AM
Intriguing? You omit the key words "...I'ma get medieval on your ass...". The scene is funny precisely because the outlandish line reminds us that we are watching a movie, a piece of make-believe...And the cue that it's meant to be funny is the use of the word 'medieval', which suggests, that the thug played by Ving Rhames is improbably so knowledgeable and scholarly about European history that he uses 'medieval' as a synonym for 'torture' in a moment of high tension.
As far as I can recall, the scene turns comic at precisely with that cue.
Posted by: Manish Sharma | Apr 5, 2011 3:27:05 AM
another triumph, sir. You are on the proverbial roll....
Posted by: morgan meis | Apr 5, 2011 7:33:33 AM
My wife has a lifelong loathing for Clint Eastwood, who she claims started, in Dirty Harry, this gradual removal of the film taboo of showing things too vicious and brutal. Not a huge film buff, myself, so I don't know, maybe it was Peckinpaw. Regardless, in a world where we all hope we are moving away from the common practice of skinning the wife of your enemy in front of him, shit like that, it is surprising to me that there is an appetite for watching, or even discussing these things from any other perspective than absolute condemnation.
That's just me.
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 5, 2011 10:28:25 AM
Real violence is disgusting. Fictional violence can be dramatic, interesting and even funny. Why confuse the two?
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Apr 5, 2011 2:07:01 PM
I don't think they are as unrelated as you think.
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 5, 2011 7:43:11 PM
I don't think they are as unrelated as you think.
There doesn't seem to be any good evidence for a link between real-world criminal violence and violent entertainment, although studies in the lab do show a short-term "priming" effect between violent media and non-criminal aggressiveness. For more info on the failure to show a link to criminal violence, see here, here and here (also this study showing no correlation in kids between violent video games and bullying/deliquency) There was also a recent study indicating that when violent movies are released the rate of violent assaults actually decreases somewhat, perhaps some of the people predisposed to violence may be inside watching the movie rather than out on the streets (perhaps related is another analysis of crime statistics indicating that increase access to internet pornography may decrease the number of rapes in a given region).
Posted by: Jesse M. | Apr 5, 2011 10:53:54 PM
Should we censor out the eye gouging scene in King Lear because it is too violent? Depictions of violence are are part of drama. We need not feel guilty about it.
Posted by: J. Hawkins | Apr 6, 2011 11:17:45 AM
JH: I think you are drifting into a different territory. Of course, violence is part of drama, both the great and the banal. Art after all, imitates life. Shakespeare and all the great epics and the Bible contain some serious violence.
The question here is whether an artist's ability to make us laugh at violence is the most effective tool to communicate its presence in our midst. Tom thinks it is and some of us don't.
Posted by: Ruchira | Apr 6, 2011 11:38:04 AM
Ruchira,
I think that a film director, novelist, playright or any creator of art can depict violence in any way he or she sees fit -seriously, comically, absurdly. The artist's purpose is to create a deeply moving work of art - not to "communicate the presence of violence in our midst". We are all aware of the reality of violence in real life.
Posted by: J.Hawkins | Apr 6, 2011 12:01:51 PM
JH: I guess you and I are reading different posts. It is not your opinion of artistic liberties I am commenting on. My comment is directed solely toward Tom Jacobs' point. Did you pay attention to the following quote from Flannery O'Connor?
Posted by: Ruchira | Apr 6, 2011 12:35:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Natural_Born_Killers_copycat_crimes
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 6, 2011 12:40:41 PM
Someone who is going to perform a "copycat" crime is probably sufficiently disturbed that they would have likely performed a crime anyway even if they hadn't seen that work, perhaps using a different piece of fiction as a template. Besides which, deranged people have often been inspired in their crimes by seemingly benign non-violent works, like Charles Manson and "Helter Skelter" or Mark David Chapman and "Catcher in the Rye". I don't think you can make much of a case for the dangers of violent entertainment in particular unless you find some non-anecdotal evidence that they raise the overall crime rate.
Posted by: Jesse M. | Apr 6, 2011 4:12:17 PM
"they would have likely performed a crime anyway"
Dunno, Jesse. How can you support this? Why did all these crazies focus in on NBK. Why the rash of copycats on the heels of this movie? I can't bring myself to dismiss the connection; I remember when it happened.
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 6, 2011 4:33:45 PM
Dunno, Jesse. How can you support this?
I said "likely"...do you think Charles Manson would have committed no crimes without "Helter Skelter"? Why should the crazies who took inspiration from NBK be any different? Anyway, what-ifs about individuals are fairly worthless as arguments since it's all unfounded speculation, it could equally well be that someone who didn't commit a crime in the real world would have done so in a world without NBK, just via the butterfly effect. If you want to have an evidence-based discussion rather than a discussion based on evidence-free personal speculations, you need to look at statistical studies of the relation between crime and media violence, not anecdotal reports about individuals.
Posted by: Jesse M. | Apr 6, 2011 6:12:30 PM
Aside from the discussion of whether fictional forms of violence ramify into real life...I can't say. I'm sure it does to some extent, but only in a mind that would find, say, Tarantino's scene something worth emulating (which is the farthest thing from my mind and interest). What I might have made clearer is what it is that the experience of cognitive dissonance (of laughing and cringing simultaneously) produces in the audience/reader. It seems to me that it isn't just that it allows us to see violence in a fresh way (even if this renders the meaning of the violence indeterminate); it is also that that cognitive dissonance makes us see something important about ourselves--that we can be both voyeurs and mourners, sometimes at the very same time.
O'Connor's work is certainly the more exhaustive and rigorous in its exploration of this dissonance, and she speaks very eloquently about what she is trying to do. It hinges upon this notion of "grace," which I guess I am trying to read in a non-Christian way...we see that there is something "wrong," in some sense, both with us and with the world. And even if we can't resolve this conflict or dissonance, we are made to see it in a way that is quite rare. And that is what makes these moments, however disturbing they may be, so interesting. I'm sure many people are immune to such experiences and aren't susceptible to such mixed responses. But when it happens it's really exhilarating. (I just finished reading Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying" with my class today, and his work, too, is full of such moments...you can't help but squirm and giggle at the ridiculous tribulations of the Bundren's as they seek to bury their mother's rotting corpse...it's extremely grim, but funny somehow...)
Posted by: tom | Apr 6, 2011 6:19:17 PM
Tom:
I understand what you say about the congnitive dissonance when we laugh (or cry) at things that are not appropriate for that reaction. But perhaps we are laughing out of relief and not real amusement? Like seeing a person slip on a banana peel but not crack the head. If the head is really cracked, we are rarely amused but become alarmed instead.
Perhaps I just have an aversion toward Tarantino (as do most women of my age) so much so that he cannot bring me back to a state of even faint amusement with his cinematic antics. I remember that my husband enjoyed Pulp Fiction while I squirmed. And I am not exactly faint of heart or weak of stomach.
Posted by: Ruchira | Apr 6, 2011 8:21:01 PM
Ruchira,
Many thanks for your comments on my piece. You make me want to rewrite the whole thing. I think you are right...it IS a gendered thing. This is something that I forget or lose sight of quite often. (Since I am at the center of every experience I have ever had, I tend to generalize as though this is universal, which it clearly isn't...and I'm glad you point this out to me).
I think it probably is easier for men to laugh at violence than it is for women. There are obvious social reasons for this (rape, for instance, is not eligible or even imaginable as a subject of humor for women, for, again, obvious social reasons). And I felt odd writing this piece for more or less these reasons...I didn't want people to take me the wrong way. So that's something I need to think about a bit more.
I do think, however, that there is something important about the cathartic dimension of experience laughter and remorse simultaneously...something that illuminates the peculiar structure and allegiances and priorities and (perverse?) fascinations that define our consciousness. It is, as you note, subjective, and certainly not the same for everybody. Yet I assume there is something vaguely universal in at least the possibility of this experience. When we know we are watching a representation of life, and not the real thing, we are free to feel things in ways that we don't in reality, of course. And that, it seems to me, is where these complicated and peculiar and strange and conflicted responses to things become interesting...because we're not responding to reality, we're responding a carefully constructed representation of reality. This allows for a certain play, a certain uncertainty to enter into the equation. (now I'm beginning to sound preachy, which I don't mean to...I'm just trying to think through the implications of my discussion...).
I kind of feel the same way when I watch, say, the end of "Terms of Endearment." I weep, I feel shitty, I feel sad, but I also feel uplifted. If it were real, of course, I would only feel weepy and shitty. But I feel uplifted because it's fake. But when this cathartic response becomes gendered, things get really interesting. "Terms of Endearment" and "Pulp Fiction" couldn't be further from each other in terms of their themes or goals or whatever. But they do the same thing. And yet one evokes more or less the same response in everyone, the other doesn't. Again, there are simple answers to why this is so, but I think there are more complex answers, too. And you are completely right, they have something to do with gender. (I often ask people at cocktail parties--after a few cocktails--if they ever cry at movies. Most guys say no [although they are, of course, lying], whereas women [in my ridiculously limited experience readily admit to it. This seems relevant somehow...])
I could go on but I won't. What do you (or anyone else, for that matter) think about all of this?
Posted by: tom | Apr 6, 2011 11:12:52 PM
Full disclosure as a woman, Tom. "Terms of Endearment" didn't make me cry - it too made me squirm. Yes, men do cry at movies. The same husband who enjoyed Pulp Fiction, also occasionally cries during heart tugging depictions of suffering and helpless misery.
In fact, tear jerkers and tragedies are probably less gendered than violent movies. You never know who is going to cry while watching the former. But we know almost for certain who is not going to laugh at the latter.
BTW, please do keep writing with your own sensibilities in mind. That is what makes it interesting. We will agree with you at times and disagree at others. That is what keeps the blog hopping. Cheers!
Posted by: Ruchira | Apr 6, 2011 11:48:37 PM
Thanks. I really appreciate your thoughts. (and this is a bit like a real agora...or at least the nearest we can approach it in the digital realm. You make me rethink things all the time, and for that i am a grateful.
Posted by: tom | Apr 7, 2011 12:01:38 AM
"If you want to have an evidence-based discussion rather than a discussion based on evidence-free personal speculations, you need to look at statistical studies of the relation between crime and media violence, not anecdotal reports about individuals."
The crime statistics associated with NBC are not evidence?
One of the studies J. Hawkins provided said the link was weak once environmental factors were accounted for. So only people on the edge are influenced? That's not a compelling rebuttal. It's only people on the edge we are worried about anyway.
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 7, 2011 8:56:49 AM
But it's not like studies affirming the position don't exist:
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/pspi/pspi43.pdf
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 7, 2011 9:17:09 AM
Carlos, in my original comment I said There doesn't seem to be any good evidence for a link between real-world criminal violence and violent entertainment, although studies in the lab do show a short-term "priming" effect between violent media and non-criminal aggressiveness. The paper you cite seems to deal with the latter type of evidence, showing some immediate increases in non-criminal aggressiveness after being shown violent entertainment. As the one of the links I provided said, Over the past 60 years, hundreds of studies have shown that viewing violence in the media can influence aggressive behaviour. However, the vast majority of these studies are laboratory based, and tell us little about how media violence influences real criminal behaviour.
And you don't seem to understand the difference between anecdotal evidence and staistical data if you think stories of a few individuals taking inspiration from NBK counts as "statistics". And you also seem to misunderstand statistical terminology, coming to wrong conclusions about what it means to say that a link is "weak" when environmental factors are taken into account (J. Hawkins didn't post any studies, so I assume you were actually referring quoting from one of the studies I had posted)--that doesn't mean that "only people on the edge are influenced", it means that there is not statistically significant evidence for any sort of causal connection between media violence and violent crime, when you control for other environmental factors (lack of education, say) which may themselves cause people to be both more likely to view violent media and more likely to commit violent crime.
Posted by: Jesse M. | Apr 7, 2011 3:11:06 PM
I'm not sure we are adding much to the (very different) conversation here by belaboring this (are you a Taurus?)
But just to clarify, the murders attributed to NBK are not anecdotal, they are evidentiary, from testimony by the perpetrators themselves or those who knew them (in response to your suggestion that I didn't seem to want an "evidence-based" discussion). And is not the number of murders attributed to NBK (31) a statistic?
Yes, they were links you provided. Mea Culpa. Coyne, the author of your second link, is also the lead author of another study linking violent media to multiple forms of agression. I don't share your concern for merely criminal violence.
As far as your claim that "controlling for other environmental factors" cannot support my suggestion. I don't have access to the full text of the paper. Do you?
Posted by: Carlos | Apr 7, 2011 4:32:33 PM
But just to clarify, the murders attributed to NBK are not anecdotal, they are evidentiary
"Anecdotal evidence" is still anecdotal even if there is zero doubt that the anecdote is in fact true (see definition 2 here). If I have a take some vitamin C every day one year and don't get any colds that year, then even if I provide extensive documentation showing that this actually happened, it is merely anecdotal evidence for the claim that vitamin C protects against colds.
And is not the number of murders attributed to NBK (31) a statistic?
It isn't statistical evidence for the idea that NBK increased the frequency of murders from what it would have been if violent movies like NBK were not shown. When I talk about statistical evidence, I specifically mean the use of statistics to infer a causal connection between X and Y, i.e. even when you control for other variables it seems that the presence of X (here, violent entertainment) increases the probability of Y (violent crime). Perhaps it would be more clear if I said that what is needed is epidemiological evidence (which is always based on statistical analysis) for a causal connection between violent entertainment and violent crime.
Posted by: Jesse M. | Apr 7, 2011 5:05:04 PM
also, to respond to the latter part of your comment:
Yes, they were links you provided. Mea Culpa. Coyne, the author of your second link, is also the lead author of another study linking violent media to multiple forms of agression. I don't share your concern for merely criminal violence.
So you think violent entertainment is still problematic if its only affects on aggression are both non-criminal (i.e. not even minor crimes like hitting people, a form of assault) and short-term (maybe the person is a bit more likely to swear at someone who annoys them for a few minutes or an hour after watching a violent movie, but after that period they go back to behaving the same as before the movie)?
As far as your claim that "controlling for other environmental factors" cannot support my suggestion. I don't have access to the full text of the paper. Do you?
I don't know what paper you're referring to, you never said. But in general when it's said the statistical evidence for a link between two factors is "weak", that means the evidence has low statistical significance, so that means there is a reasonably high probability that the null hypothesis is correct in this case and there is no link between the two factors at all (i.e. the presence of one doesn't make the other even slightly more probably when you control for other factors). To use the phrase "the link was weak" to mean "only people on the edge are influenced" would be such a bizarre departure from the standard way of talking about statistical evidence that I am quite confident that no professionally-published paper would use language in this way.
Posted by: Jesse M. | Apr 7, 2011 5:30:21 PM
During one of my literature courses in college back in 1995 my instructor spent the majority of one day breaking down Pulp Fiction. At the time I thought Pulp Fiction was just a cool movie with some inventive storytelling, but my teacher saw more. Like you, he also drove home the point about Butch showing grace toward Marcellus.
He ended his talk by reminding us of the name on the motorcycle Butch uses to escape.
GRACE.
Posted by: lynn | Apr 7, 2011 6:04:07 PM
Unlike Ruchira, both my sister and I enjoy Tarantino (although she appreciated Reservoir Dogs much more than I did, while I took Kill Bill to heart.) Maybe it's a generational thing as well? Anyways, I never thought of comparing Quentin to Flannery before, so thank you for this, Tom.
Here's my confession: I don't find Flannery to be particularly humorous. I don't think her violence is *funny*, certainly not in the way that Tarantino's strives to be. In part, he's delivering the goods to a different audience than O'Connor. There's a bit of a temporal difference between the two, and their mediums do not work in the same way.
More than that, though... when I read O'Connor, I feel like I've inhaled a starless sky. I gasp. Her stories are so terse, clear, and unavoidable. Tarantino, on the other hand, will linger gratuitously. It takes him two hours to say what Flannery can put in five minutes.
Another difference: O'Connor's vision is particularly religious, while Tarantino's is humanistic, vauge, and less universal. Consider the grandmother in A Good Man Is Hard To Find. Her moment of grace is finding kinship with The Misfit, a man who has murdered her family (in large part due to who she is as a human being) and who will momentarily kill her, but not before she makes a prophet of him. In Pulp Fiction, on the other hand, Butch and Marsellus "see" each other only after their shared experience at the hands of the redneck rapists; they bond over a common enemy, who receives no grace at all.
Maybe it's this: When grace arrives in an O'Connor story, it can throw away the crutches of humor, while Tarantino still hobbles along on them. Not to say that O'Connor's vision is superior to Tarantino's, but only to describe how they differ. The former looks to divinity, while the latter looks squarely at people.
Posted by: Jane | Apr 7, 2011 11:38:58 PM
Jane,
These are incredibly insightful comments. Thanks very much for taking the time to post them. I was thinking about "A Good Man Is Hard to Find" when I was writing this, and meant to include it but kinda ran outta room. And I think you are right on the money when you say that O'Connor's grace is religious and Tarantino's secular. It is probably also worth adding that in O'Connor's work, these moments of grace almost always come in exchange for a violent death (or at least a pretty good maiming). Somehow, this sort of grace doesn't come cheaply.
Thanks again for the comment (and the image of O'Connor's "starless sky" is a lovely one).
Best,
Tom
Posted by: tom | Apr 8, 2011 3:16:22 PM
Lynn,
The name of Zed's motorcycle is "Grace"?!!! That's extremely cool. Validation of some sort, I suppose.
And I'm both bummed and inspired that your professor said more or less the same thing...I thought my thoughts were totally original. But what is, these days?
Anyhoo, thanks for the comment, and hope you are well and all my best.
Tom
Posted by: tom | Apr 9, 2011 2:44:31 PM
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