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February 07, 2011

Some brief reactions to the turmoil in Egypt

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3 Quarks Daily asked a number of scholars, academics, journalists, writers and others to give us brief reactions to the recent events in Egypt. Their responses are given below in the order in which they were received:

  • Akeel Bilgrami
  • Mohsin Hamid
  • Mark Blyth
  • Frans de Waal
  • Pablo Policzer
  • Ejaz Haider
  • Mona El-Ghobashy
  • Gerald Dworkin
  • Ram Manikkalingam
  • Jonathan Kramnick
  • Amitava Kumar
  • Alexander Cooley
  • Suketu Mehta
  • Justin E. H. Smith

Akeel Bilgrami:

It is far too early to write with any prognostic depth about the spontaneous and ongoing democratic movement in Egypt.  But two immediate observations: First, it is interesting to see American pundits on television, despite their pious support for 'democracy', uniformly expressing a subdued anxiety about what worse and chaotic things might befall Egypt now.  These very same pundits expressed no such anxiety about worse and more chaotic periods to follow the regime change that came with the American bombing and slaughter in Baghdad, Fallujah....  And second, it seems at the moment that the best thing for Egypt is for this popular movement to prolong itself on the streets for a measurably long time since real political deliberation and genuinely public education occurs (whether in democracies or in dictatorships) only on the site of popular movements, not hugger-mugger in round table negotiations and conferences among leaders and advisers, not in universities, not in the widely read or viewed media, not in editorials.... Even in a democracy like the United States, people got educated into civil rights on the site of popular movements through the sixties, not by the classroom and editorial commonplaces about 'racial equality'.

Akeel Bilgrami is the Johnsonian Professor of Philosophy and the Director of the Heyman Center for the Humanities at Columbia University.

Mohsin Hamid:

It's still possible that the old regime will find a way to cling on in Egypt, that the army will find a new front man. But what is clear is that beneath the ossified surface of the US-backed dictatorships and monarchies that span the Middle East, from Morocco to Saudi Arabia and from Jordan to Yemen, something profoundly different is waiting to be born. Turkey and Indonesia may already offer us a glimpse of that possible future: a future of modern, moderate, independent-minded democracies, pursuing their own interests, and no longer obsessively shaped by security concerns. If Egypt can do it, then maybe one day Saudi Arabia can follow, and if that happens, so much that is wrong in Muslim-majority countries today, so much that is inegalitarian, sectarian, and stifling, has the potential to be put right. Here, in Pakistan, such a possibility gives me much-needed hope.

Mohsin Hamid is a Pakistani novelist and the author of The Reluctant Fundamentalist.

Mark Blyth:

The situation in Egypt, what a bland phrase for such intense events, makes me thing about three things. The first is the essential unpredictability of events. Tunisia may have been the ‘iskra’ – Lenin’s spark of revolution – but many sparks fly without causing a fire. As a social scientist I have been trained to look for preconditions, structural forces, critical coalitions, resources, and the like, but what we can never find is that most quixotic of elements, bravery. The desire to take that unquantifiable leap into a world of uncertainty armed only with the knowledge that you have no guarantee others will follow. Bravery is what we see in Tahrir square, an emergent property of an unbalanced system that is not reducible to the elements that constitute it. The second thing is the tactics employed by the regime. There is a kind of ‘tin pot dictators’ handbook evolving from Uzbekistan to Iran to Egypt. Cut the internet, use mobiles against the kids using them, send in the thugs. And if that doesn’t work, keep it going long enough so that the military have ‘reason’ to step in. Against this stand ordinary people taking incredible risks. Revolutions should not occur, the deck is stacked. The third thing is what happens if against the odds Mubarak does go. Simplistic narratives of ‘modernizers,’ ‘secularists’ and ‘islamicists’ obscure more than they illuminate, but it would be a tragedy if the fate that befell Iran fell upon Egypt, where one regime of despotic stagnation is replaced by another with different legitimatory touchstones. Egypt has real problems: a large and young population, massive unemployment, arable land that is silting-up, and increadible cronyism and corruption. Add to this the wildcard that is Egypt’s relations with Israel and we can see how the Western powers have been content to let Mubarak and his ilk, truly the last remnants of the cold war alliances, remain in place. But the cost of doing so was to cheat millions of the possibility of improvement in their lives. Probabilisitically, when such eruptions occur may remain unknowable, but they are, to use Nassim Taleb’s term, “White Swans.” You know that they are coming, you know their impact will be massive, but you just don’t want to think about it too much. There is a cost to such a stance of supporting the detestable in preference to the unknowable, and not just for the people of Egypt.

Mark Blyth is Professor of International Political Economy at Brown University.

Frans de Waal:

The situation in Egypt may seem uniquely complex, but there is something about raw power that everyone recognizes whether in distant lands, in small-scale human societies, or in social animals. After all, the term "pecking-order" refers to the behavior of fowl. From fish to birds and from dogs to primates, dominance hierarchies are ubiquitous. The larger a species' brains the more complex they get. They are not always determined by size and strength, for example. In chimpanzees, a small male may reach the top, because power rests on coalitions, in which several individuals act together. The small male may simply be more diplomatic (grooming his allies, sharing food, tolerating other males mating with females), thus buying the support of other males. Conversely, the way power is lost often reflects the way a male ruled. If he rules like a bully, terrifying everyone, keeping females for himself, he is likely to end badly. When he is challenged, others are eager to join in and make sure he is defeated. In wild chimpanzees, such males may be so badly injured that they die of infections. In zoos, we may need to remove them after the "coup," so as to keep them form getting killed. Popular alphas, on the other hand, who defend the weak and share resources, are defended en masse against challengers. Their rule lasts longer as a result. And when the inevitable moment of defeat arrives, they just drop a few rungs on the ladder and remain important power-brokers behind the scenes. The level of violence during power transitions is proportional, therefore, to the brutality of the ruler, as was probably already known to the pharaohs.

Frans de Waal is the C. H. Candler Professor of Psychology and the Director of the Living Links Center at Emory University.

Pablo Policzer:

The protests are redefining the West’s relationship to the Arab world. 9/11, the War on Terror, and debates over “Why do they hate us?” defined that relationship in atavistic terms: us vs. them. From this perspective, the revolutionaries in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere in the Arab world have already achieved something very significant. Their demands are the same as ours: democracy, freedom, and rights. They don’t hate us; they are us. I hope that the spirit of Tahrir Square comes to define the emerging 21st century, as a time when we began to realize that there is no “them”—there is just “us”, albeit a new, emergent, and globally connected us.

Yet a sober look at history also suggests that not all revolutions succeed. In 1989 Eastern Europe freed itself from Communist dictatorship, but China crushed a similar emergent democratic movement. More telling is an even older case. In 1848, the spirit (or “spectre”) of revolution gripped Europe in a way comparable to what some argue may be happening in the Arab world today. At the time, Marx and Engels argued that the structures of history were marching inexorably forward toward revolution. They were wrong, at least in the short term, and most revolutions either fizzled or were crushed. Today people make a similar sort of mistake, I think, in believing that structural forces—like the technology of global connectedness—make political change toward open societies inevitable, whether in the Arab world or anywhere else. History doesn’t work like that. Some regimes are willing to pay even a very high price to stay in power and crush dissent. And revolutions can exhaust themselves and be overturned, or end in terror, civil war, or being taken over by hardliners who impose a new closed regime. We don’t know whether Egypt’s emergent democratic revolution will succeed, even if Mubarak is deposed.

The heart is hopeful, in other words, while the head is fearful.

Pablo Policzer is Associate Professor of Political Science and Canada Research Chair in Latin American Politics at the University of Calgary.

Ejaz Haider:

No one could have predicted the extent and scale of popular uprising in Egypt, not President Hosni Mubarak, not the analysts, not even the protestors. In fact, even as Tunisia erupted, analysts were confident of Mubarak’s ability to control the Egyptian street. All analyses now are therefore ex post facto and must be treated as such. There was simmering tension of course; Kefaya, a loose alliance of disparate political and civil society groups, had been protesting Mubarak’s policies since the 2003 anti-war movement. It did manage to influence, to a small measure, some constitutional reforms but had largely fizzled out by 2005.

What is happening now offers both dangers and opportunities. Change is inevitable but it is difficult to predict its shape. The outcome will be largely determined by the military which has emerged as the arbiter. The protestors could either settle for an ‘all or nothing’ approach or accept incremental change. At this moment the irreducible minimum seems to be Mubarak’s departure. The military should appreciate that a viable negotiating position would demand that Mubarak be asked to step down. Equally, if it does that, the military would harden its position and likely to insist that further reforms must be debated in and through formal political structures and not decided on the street. Whether the protestors accept that would determine the resolution of this phase.

Ejaz Haider is a prominent Pakistani journalist. He was a Ford Scholar at the Programme in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at UIUC (1997) and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution's Foreign Policy Studies Programme.

Mona El-Ghobashy:

For the past ten years, Egyptian citizens have been developing a coherent critique of the Mubarak regime that links its exclusionary politics to its unfair economics. The assessment isn’t made in elite salons or university seminars, but in a series of cascading street protests that took off in 2000 and continued unabated right up to the January 25 popular uprising. The protesters are diverse and so are their claims: workers launch wildcat strikes demanding fairer wages and safer working conditions; shantytown dwellers and rural people demand basic services and public goods; and a wide cross-section of the population decries lack of democracy and unpopular foreign policies. But embedded in each and every protest action irrespective of its content is a claim that the aggrieved must be consulted on decisions that affect their lives. The 2011 uprising isn't just about a bundle of economic grievances or a political cry that Mubarak must leave. It draws a causal connection between economic suffering and lack of representation.

From their lived experience under aggressive market transformation since the 1990s, Egyptians know only too well the disastrous effects of unaccountable leaders making momentous decisions; decisions about privatization of national assets, provision of public goods, urban planning and infrastructure, and sale of natural resources. These large concepts translate into the texture of daily life. Prices are rising and services are dwindling; Egyptians are paying more and more for less and less. They wake up in the morning to top-down decrees that their neighborhoods are being razed to make way for “development projects,” i.e. pricey high-rises and malls built by crony businessmen. They learn that their natural gas is being sold to Israel, with no public discussion or deliberation. They get beaten and killed by police in broad daylight, and they can't do a thing about it. Their government buttresses Israel's blockade of Gaza, but they can't change those policies despite their deep unpopularity.

Egyptians have few spaces to aggregate interests or interface with public officials to get even basic information. Municipal councils that administer crucial public services are graft-ridden and unresponsive; professional associations, which used to be mini-parliaments complete with competitive internal elections, are severely hemmed in and some shut down altogether; labor unions are nothing more than state appendages staffed by a pliant labor aristocracy; and even student unions are strictly controlled by university rectors, to prevent any independent or oppositional students from being represented. The brazenly rigged parliamentary elections in December 2010 were the final act of political liquidation, shuttering one of the very few remaining spaces of limited representation.

The outcome is an exclusive ruling cartel that has a chokehold over the economy and a monopoly over all state institutions and public property. Over the years, citizens have knitted these discrete ‘factors’ of economics and politics into links in a chain, a chain leading from political exclusion to economic privation. “We’ve been deprived for a long time in our own country,” an elderly woman protestor in Tahrir Square told al-Jazeera. Without a presence in decision-making structures at any level, citizens know that they’re subject to the arbitrary actions of the state, from decrepit public services to lethal police brutality. So they are demanding inclusion. In late November 2010, I accompanied Bushra al-Samny, a schoolteacher and Islamist candidate for parliament on one of her campaign walkabouts in Alexandria. I heard her repeatedly say to the struggling working class people in her constituency, “We have to get into this parliament, we can't leave it up to them to take over like they've done with everything else.”

Long suffering under economic uncertainty and a stifling state of political predictability, Egyptians are rising up to demand more economic security, but they’re not just calling for higher wages and more jobs. They're demanding procedures to guarantee political representation, so that the same cartel doesn't return itself to power over and over again in sham elections, and then exploit its political dominance to spread its tentacles into the economy. Egyptians want bread and democracy. They may or may not get them this time around, but they have indelibly made the connection.

Mona El-Ghobashy is Assistant Professor of Political Science at Barnard College, Columbia University.

Gerald Dworkin:

Arab joke on the Internet:  Obama suggests to Mubarak that he write a farewell message to the Egyptian people. Mubarak replies, "Why, where are they going?"

This seems to be the right question to ask but I think we cannot know at this point what the answer will be. The wise (old) men--Brezezinski,et.al.--suggest we should try and slow things down because in the immediate mess radical Islam will take control. These are the men (and they are men) who always referred to Mubarak as a "strongman" rather than a dictator. Obama says the right things in public (violence against the protestors must cease; Mubarak must (eventually) go) while sending Frank Wisner to negotiate with Suleiman (a torturer for the CIA and a Mubarak clone).  It is also ironic that the main party lobbying for the retention of the dictator--Israel--descends from a people oppressed by Egyptian autocrats.

I don't deny the possibility that allowing the current coalition of protestors to gain significant power could turn out badly but in the absence of any way of predicting outcomes we should simply stick to principle. As they used to say in my Berkeley days--Power to the People.

Gerald Dworkin is Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the University of California, Davis. He has taught at Harvard, MIT, and the University of Illinois at Chicago and been a Visiting Fellow of All Souls, Oxford as well as a Research Fellow at the Australian National University.

Ram Manikkalingam:

I am really thrilled that everybody is wrong about the great global divide between Islam and the West. 

Arabs (the most Muslim of Muslims, as the narrative goes) are supposed to be against democracy and Westerners for it.  Arabs are supposed to want authoritarian octogenarians to rule them and Westerners youthful entrepreneurs who are into Facebook and Twitter to do so. And Arabs are supposed to be only concerned about stability, Islam and veiled women, while Westerners are supposed to be secular, desire individual freedoms and Western women carry Louis Vuitton bags.

Well guess what – Tunisia and now Egypt - have turned these assumptions on their head.  Arabs are talking about democracy (home-grown, not imposed by the barrel of the gun) and the West is talking about an “orderly transition”. Egypt is looking to internet entrepreneurs and a Nobel peace laureate to lead them out of this morass, while the West is looking to an aging intelligence chief to lead them out of their morass in Egypt.

I am also pleased because I was always skeptical about this so-called divide between Islam and the West.  Indeed in a column I wrote for 3QD five years ago – I suggested that I wasn’t sure the whole of the so called divide between Islam and the West was greater than the sum of its parts.  And to me the parts were – among other things – “representative elections in Syria and Egypt”.  I did not go far enough. Indeed we might not only say that while the “whole” of the divide between Islam and the West is no greater than the “sum of the parts”, we can now say with Egypt – that there was no real whole to talk of.

While it is too early to say how this will all play out – plural democracy, popular democracy, Islamist democracy (a la Turkey), Islamist regime, reconstituted regime sans Mubarak, or reconstituted regime with Mubarak – I am hopeful.  I am absolutely thrilled by our Egyptian brothers and sisters.  As Omar Shariff says “these young people are very nice and I do not think there will be bloodshed”.

Ram Manikkalingam is Visiting Professor of Political Science at Amsterdam University and Director of the Dialogue Advisory Group.

Jonathan Kramnick:

When Abbas asked me to write a few words about the recent events in Egypt I was perplexed. As I've gotten older, I've tried to speak less about things I don't know much about, and the wars, revolutions, and atrocities of our age rank uppermost among them. So I'll begin just by saying that, like most of my friends, I've been watching the news with hopeful fascination and with that kind of virtual solidarity that seems a little embarrassing for its absolute safety. I'm not a political scientist. No one is going to throw a brick at my head. What I cannot offer by way of analysis, I'll try to make up for in storytelling. I was born the year of the Six Day War, in a hospital nested in the bosom of academia along the Charles River. I grew up in the period between the occupation and the Camp David accords and was in college during the first Intifada. The Egypt of my childhood mind was ominous and ever present. Israel, we knew, was at war with Egypt and that war threatened my people, the Jews. I didn't get this story from my atheist and progressive parents, or not exactly. They did send me to a secular Hebrew school and that school was fervently Zionist, but I'm not sure they knew that. Only later did I realize what propaganda I was being fed. Even so, it wasn't just Hebrew school. The whole culture of secular Judaism at the time was pervaded by a kind of Israel-o-philia. On the one side was Black September and Entebbe, on the other, Milk and Honey. Egypt and Israel, night and day. To a seven or eight year old, it all seemed very simple, if a little frightening.

With college and the Intifada, I put away such childish things. Part of growing up was learning what the history was and what the occupation entailed. Little more need be said. Egypt by that time was at peace with Israel and had thus receded from view. A more complicated and morally demanding landscape had taken its place: no longer night and day, but varying hues of dusk. Again, I have little to say about the politics of occupation that wouldn't be obvious to anyone who pays attention. I have wondered from time to time, however, what goes into not paying attention. The memories of Egypt I can draw up from childhood now seem painfully, obscenely wrong headed, a kind of unknowing deceit pulled over young minds. And still, the sense that we were lied to shares space with sweet recollections, glimpsed through time's soda-pop-bottle haze: my grandparents' house, my sisters singing "hene ma tov," hamsas on the wall, latkes.

Sentiment shouldn't cloud ordinary judgment, but of course it always does. I can only imagine what in those days kept my parents from teaching us to view Palestinians through the same lens as we saw the Vietnamese or striking coal miners. Even now, talk about Egypt conjures among some relatives and a few other Jews I know low-voiced worries about the Muslim Brotherhood and the fate of Israel. While such talk is deplorable on the face of it, it is also depressing in a special way for anyone who shares my, albeit quite ordinary and unglamorous, background. I'd like to think that fantasies of evil Egypt, along with the associated disregard for Palestinians, were anomalies of another age. After all, the 1970s were as close to the Holocaust as we are to the 1970s. And yet clearly they are not. For what other reason could anyone respond to a mass social movement of this kind with anything other than joy tempered by awe?

The unremarkable and special sense that one gets with memory—belonging to a family and a family to a community and a community to a history—is of course the stuff of life. The point is not to abandon such things, as if one ever could, but to understand their role in shaping one's experience. The view from nowhere is arid and empty. But that doesn't mean we are captive to the worst feelings that surrounded us. If the events in Egypt have once again brought out the regrettable limits in some, these are limits not just of reason or judgment, but also of the imagination and, finally, of sentiment.

Jonathan Kramnick is Associate Professor of English at Rutgers University. He has recently published a book: Actions and Objects from Hobbes to Richardson.

Amitava Kumar:

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Why is “Facebook” or “Twitter” or “Al Jazeera” spray-painted on the shutters of a building in Tahrir Square? And what is the writer Ahdaf Soueif doing with a computer in her lap, in the middle of a protest? I think I know, although I don’t know exactly, and you know it too; I guess we’ll have to wait till Malcolm Gladwell explains it to us. Did you see this? “REVOLUTION IS NOT A MICROCHIP, A BREAKFAST CEREAL, OR A NEW LAUNDRY SOAP—REVOLUTION IS AN INSURRECTION, IN WHICH ONE SOCIAL CLASS OVERTHROWS ANOTHER.” It struck me, not without some irony, that I had come across it on Facebook when an artist friend of mine posted it. And I couldn’t resist asking her, “Can I tweet this?” It is not because of Twitter that people are protesting in Egypt. It is not because of Facebook that there is a revolution unfolding there. But it is true that the way in which people are mobilizing, or how they are protesting, has a good deal to do with social media. All of this should be obvious. A wonderful aspect of the way in which events have taken shape in Egypt has been the excitement of being able to share it via social media; one can see already a global community being born; and while the extent to which this global participation will be able to translate into political change at the top might still be an open question, there are some good results already evident. Consider the tweet posted above. It tells us of the change not only in the popular thinking in Arab countries; rather, thanks to what we in the West have seen on our television and computer screens, we have been liberated, to a great extent, from our prejudices. The crowd in Tahrir Square might or might not get rid of Mubarak; but let’s hope they topple those huge, ugly statues of Samuel Huntington and Bernard Lewis.

Amitava Kumar is Professor of English at Vassar College and the author, most recently, of A Foreigner Carrying in the Crook of His Arm A Tiny Bomb.

Alexander Cooley:

Washington's reaction to events in Egypt has reaffirmed the analytical and practical shortcomings of supporting an authoritarian strongman in the interests of preserving "political stability." The stability theme, of course, has prominently featured in US policy over several decades, through both the Cold War and post-Cold War periods. Indonesia's Suharto, the Philippines' Marcos and South Korea's Park, more recently have been replaced by Uzbekistan's Karimov, Ethiopia's Wolde-Giorgis and, of course, the ruling families of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states, all gatekeepers to either strategically located resources, geopolitical real estate or assets. President Mubarak was the quintessential US client and strongman, skillfully positioning himself as an indispensable broker of US policy in the heart of the Middle East through the Cold War confrontation, Arab-Israeli Wars wars and the more recent "Global War on Terror."

Of all the justifications for supporting authoritarian clients, none has made the case as influentially as Jean Kirkpatrick's essay "Dictatorship and Double-Standards" published in Commentary in 1979.  The seminal article, which reportedly so struck then Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan that he would soon after appoint Kirkpatrick US Ambassador to the United Nations, argued that the Carter Administration's insistence on pressing US poitical clients to democratically reform had unnecessarily opened the door to even more extreme governments to take their place, ones that were openly hostile to the Untied States. Thus, in both the case of the Shah's Iran and Samoza's Nicaragua, their overthrow by "totalitarian" opponents–Islamic militants and the Sandinistas– damaged US interests and credibility and underscored the dangerous naivete of Carter's engagement on human rights. The Kirkpatrick doctrine crystalized that supporting US authoritarian strongmen has conistsently been justified by appealing to the fear of an unknown, chaotic and unmanageable alternative.  Democratic transitions that lead to populist backlashes, new strongmen and social movements all bring uncertainty, never mind the actual  dysfunctionality that usually characterized these ongoing patron-client relationships.

So in this latest chapter, Mubarak played his final card that performed this ghastly raison d'être as the "great stabilizer." By sending out his plain clothes thugs to disrupt rallies, injure journalists and promote chaos, he betrayed the last move of a desperate regime, one conditioned over three decades to believe in his own "role".  Indeed, Frank Wisner, President Obama's special envoy of great experience but little imagination, could not bring himself to publicly think of not engaging with Mubarak in a way that did not validate this traditional brokering role.

The silver lining in this whole episode, beyond the fact that the Egyptian people appear to be taking a serious step towards greater self-representation, is that the power of emulation, disseminated by Al Jazeera and social networking media, may now be emerging as a powerful mobilizing alternative to the "stability" canard. Not because the internet, Twitter or other media possess some magical power, but because they offer concrete examples of successful political change in similar polities, thereby inspiring both activists and external leaders to peer beyond the strongman abyss.

Alexander Cooley is Associate Professor of Political Science at Barnard College, Columbia University.

Suketu Mehta:

The mass demonstrations in Tahrir Square were seen by many people in the USA as an affirmation of American values, their admiration for our democracy. The Egyptians revolted against a system of governance which was unequal, undemocratic, and unjust. “We want what you have,” one Egyptian protester told Christiane Amanpour.

Let’s take a look at what we have, shall we?

The United States is a substantially more unequal country than Egypt. The standard measure of inequality, the Gini coefficient, for the USA is 41; for Egypt, it’s 29. The richest fifth of Egyptians make 39% of its income and the bottom fifth, 9.8%; figures for the comparable groups in the USA are 46% and 5.2%.

In New York, the top one percent of the population makes almost half – 45% - of the city’s income. The average person in this group earns more in one day than a person in the bottom ten percent earns in one year.

And democracy? Yes, Americans live in a democracy, in which only a minority participates. In the 2010 Congressional elections, 60% of those eligible to vote chose not to. Egypt has not yet had a democratic election, but voter turnout rates in India, for example, are over 60%. The majority - 57% - of Indian voters are from the bottom fifth of the income pyramid, as opposed to 36% in the USA. The difference between the world’s two biggest democracies is this: in India, the poor vote.

As for repressive government: in Egypt, 89 out of a hundred thousand people are behind bars. In America, one out of a hundred adults – 2.3 million people, 70% of them nonwhite – is imprisoned, the highest number and percentage of any country on the planet.

So I wait for the Twitter and Facebook messages urging a million Americans to gather in Times Square, inspired by the sight of Egyptians hungry for real democracy, for change we can believe in.

Suketu Mehta is the author of Pulitzer Prize finalist Maximum City: Bombay Lost and Found, winner of the O. Henry Prize, and frequent contributor to various newspapers and magazines.

Justin E. H. Smith:

By the middle of the 17th century it was sometimes heard that, while China is the France of the Orient, Egypt is its Holland: the former pair represented two massive and stagnant imperia, while the latter were dynamic pivot points of global trade. Since the Low Countries were too strong to be taken over directly by France, it was often proposed to Louis XIV that he, in effect, acquire his own Amsterdam by acquiring Cairo. The scheme would however have to wait for Napoleon to be attempted, but it was one and the same simmering ambition that was carried on from the old regime to the new one.

The plan for bolstering trade through an Egyptian presence was helped along by a parallel mythology, of Egypt as the ultimate homeland --going back to deepest antiquity-- of Occidental learning (see, for example Athanasius Kircher's Oedipus Aegyptiacus of 1652). Seen in this light, the current inhabitants of Egypt, the 'Saracens', were not so much stewards of the place as mere interlopers. They had not built the pyramids, nor devised the hieroglyphs, nor anything we hold dear. But that's all just mythology; geopolitically it really does make sense to subsume Egypt into a broader, continuous Mediterranean cultural sphere that includes (whoever we are) us. I recall seeing off in some dusty corner of Egypt a statue to none other than Il Duce, proudly proclaiming in its inscription that he was finally bringing the Imperium Romanum back together. Meddling in Egypt, I mean to say, is not quite like meddling in Hispaniola or Borneo. We go way back; in fact, if the Hermetic corpus has a grain of truth in it, we go all the way back with respect to tradition. Even if Greece is the true birthplace of Western values, this does not permit us to discern at their onset an arrow pointing to the northwest and not one to the south. In fact, if we think of universalism and democracy as the greatest gifts of our Greek heritage, then it must be noted that they first started giving themselves in northeast Africa long before 'Europe' meant much of anything except by way of rough geographical contrast to Asia Minor. Neoplatonists were writing in Alexandria about religious toleration, for example, at a time when Anglo-Saxons could not even write their own names.

I don't know how helpful it really is to probe so deeply into history. But I am convinced that the myth --whose perpetuation really only got going in the 19th century, thanks in large part to the misguided analyses of Marx-- of the ahistoricity of Asiatic regimes is today nothing more than a convenient pretext for the Western support of mediocre kleptocrats and their shopaholic wives and mistresses. Egypt is as dynamic as anywhere else-- at times Cairo has favorably been compared to Amsterdam; and Alexandria to Athens. It has appeared stagnant over the past several decades because parties who are afraid of the forms its dynamism might take have conspired to make nothing happen at all. But where nothing is happening, something is usually simmering; and the glorious revolutionary outburst of the past week has reminded us of what we should have known all along: that Egypt is now as ever a powerful locus of change, and a pivot point of world history.

Justin E. H. Smith is Associate Professor of Philosophy at Concordia University.

Many thanks to all who contributed here.

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Posted by: Troy | Feb 7, 2011 4:38:43 AM

Informing multifarious opinion. Cheers.

Posted by: Troy | Feb 7, 2011 4:43:22 AM

This is a great collection of writing. I was especially moved by Jonathan Kramnick's piece. I was born in the same year as the Yom Kippur War and my religious education was extremely similar to his: "They tried to kill us, we survived, let's eat." When I went to college, I was confronted by a Muslim: "Are you a Zionist?" I replied, "Why yes, why wouldn't I be?" He looked away with fury and said, "You and I have nothing more to say to one another." And that has rather been the world in a nutshell for a fair few years, don't you think?

Posted by: David Schneider | Feb 7, 2011 9:29:36 AM

David,

I felt the same way about Jonathan's piece (I mean I was moved and touched by it, not that I also had a Jewish education!) and told him so by private email already. I also read that one out loud to my wife when I got it yesterday!

Posted by: Abbas Raza | Feb 7, 2011 9:36:04 AM

Very nice.
I can remember, as a child, in the Bronx, at P.S. 9, being told that South and Central America were not ready for democracy. It was during the reign of FDR, a benevolent leader.
I detected a certain embarrassment, or was it uncertainty, on the part of the teacher who was telling us this. Of course now I know; it was probably both.

Posted by: James F Traynor | Feb 7, 2011 10:05:40 AM

I think the US administration includes people who are genuinely unhappy with being openly and totally associated with torturers and murderers. At the same time, their is a huge bureaucracy that has its own momentum regarding "stability" (in this case, its mostly Israel that is the issue, othewise the US has few worries about Egypt..the Suez canal is not a life and death issue for America). I dont think the US has a unified and clear policy in these matters. They can get surprised by events and they can over-react or under-react. They are not God. They are just people, mostly mediocre bureaucrats trying to cover their ass.
Given the power of the Israeli lobby (decreasing now, but still very very powerful) the US is not going to stop interfering in the Middle East (Oil is an even bigger issue, but that is focused on the Gulf, SA, Iraq). But eventually the US may be replaced by China in some places, which has fewer problems with open thuggishness and torture. But other places will manage to grow up and run their own governments with some success, instead of being ruled by some thugs supported by USA or China. Egypt will likely get to that point, but not in a straight line. Its probably going to be a rough ride. Egypt's economy is not in great shape and population is rather large. Its going to be tough for secular democrats in such a setting. Sure, India has done it, but the historical background is very different..

Posted by: omar | Feb 7, 2011 11:32:44 AM

As several comments made clear, it is safe yet thrilling to experience the guilty pleasure of distant revolutions through media, electronic or otherwise. The danger of tweeting about a twitter revolution or blogging about a blog revolution is not the same as the danger, as Jonathan Kramnick put it, of having a brick aimed at your head. It's a virtual exercise. When did we invent revolution porn? A long time ago, I suppose.

I appreciate all the contributions, but none more than the statistical portrait of the United States by Suketu Mehta, contrasting the reputation of our country (which inspires some of the faraway revolutionists) with evidence of failures in our own tired revolution. American citizens should acknowledge the ideological bond with those who stand up for the ideas of liberty and justice in faraway places. Inspired by the enthusiasm and bravery reported from places like Tiananmen and Tahrir, Americans should gather in every public square, real or virtual, to reaffirm their commitment to democracy in "the land of the (mostly) free".


Posted by: John Kern | Feb 7, 2011 12:47:56 PM

Great collection and a reflection of the depth and variety of your contacts. I especially liked "They tried to kill us. We won. Let's eat." I always heard it in connection with Purim but it's probably trans-cultural.

I have a hard time these days breaking off from the Internet, having watched since the end of December when that first incident in Tunisia was brought to my attention by a smart young blogger I have followed since he was in high school. Events in Egypt are the leading edge of the same wave and I'm anticipating even more repercussions as the days and weeks tick past. When I was a student of history as an undergraduate the subject didn't interest me as much as it does now. Something about getting older makes one more sensitive to the past than than before, and more alert to the impact events in the present have on the future. Any time is a good time to be alive, but being older at this moment is really exciting.

Here are links to two videos I found this morning that shed more light on what's happening in Cairo than anything I have yet seen.

http://dotsub.co/view/5f751d40-d90f-422c-84e0-8e5766a97213

http://dotsub.com/view/fb05b8fa-6301-40ae-a652-b553d9ff4512

Posted by: John Ballard | Feb 7, 2011 1:55:16 PM

I loved Mark Blyth's talk of bravery. It made me think. It is so easy to sit here in London and watch events on the news or to listen to reports on the BBC World Service. I am not a social scientist nor a student of politics so will not attempt any sort of political analysis. I write about art - but in the occupation of the square I saw the sort of bravery that most of us have never had to express. Ordinary, yet often very erudite, people who believe that change is now necessary have stood up to be counted. In a world where belief (as opposed to dogma and righteous indignation) so often seems a thing of the past, this has been very moving.
www.suehubbard.com

Posted by: Sue Hubbard | Feb 7, 2011 2:18:33 PM

aside from ghobbashy, this was a mixed bag. take a look at jadaliyya.com for analysis.

Posted by: Ananas | Feb 7, 2011 2:40:00 PM

It is amazing how much power the people really have. It is enthralling to think that the Egyptian people have taken their lives into their own hands and demand what is due to every human being in the world: the right to live in a democratic government, for the people, of the people and by the people. So now what U. S. of A? What about the American fight for freedom? Or does that only work if it chosen by a nefarious government (George Bush's) and imposed upon an oil rich country to test out your military might as well as get (Halliburton) contracts and millions. maybe even billions of dollars in contracts to "rebuild" the country you have just destroyed? And what of the loss of innocent lives? So far the revolution in Egypt has been quite peaceful. I sincerely hope that it continues to be that way. I wish my Egyptian brethren well and hope along with them that they have a regime that they have picked and that cares for the people of Egypt as all governments must.

Posted by: Samina Raza | Feb 7, 2011 4:02:25 PM

Dear Abbas,
Samina passed me information about your venture here.
This is to let you know that I'd be happy to pitch in off and on with many suggestions on how to get on moving towards a nicer world.
Many of my views will be non-conformist not because I'm an anarchist but because I feel that far too many of us continue to be immersed in what is referred to as conservative adulation arising out of a sheer neglect of using our commonsense.
To my questing mind illusions of perfection are at best transitory and a priori-wise largely invalid as such.

Posted by: wyatt | Feb 8, 2011 12:26:26 AM

Multifarious comments in chorus that have the same melodic theme on different voices and tonalities.
I believe that this is due to a certain choice of the editor but also to the fact that most of them are speaking from the ivory towers of a faraway university and their life, career, wages and children are not in danger from this revolt and no one of them have an active part in the revolt or the oppression of this revolt.
So I would be more interested in the pool statistics of the future (free?) elections in Egypt; I would be interested to read opinions of Arab businessmen, industry captains and army leaders from Egypt and other countries because in most of those 3Q opinions I detect a transplantation of a Western view over an Eastern Reality with different norms and interests. So we may have surprises; one of them that not only Mubarak, that perceive himself as a patriot and saviour of Egypt, but also the silent majority wants a period of quiet transition ...
Western opinion? One of the best and sweet example is this of Gerald Dworkin :
"I don't deny the possibility that allowing the current coalition of protestors to gain significant power could turn out badly but in the absence of any way of predicting outcomes we should simply stick to principle. As they used to say in my Berkeley days--Power to the People."
When ever the People had the Power and for how long till a new elite took this to their own interest? In French Revolution, in October Revolution? And how is perceived a revolution in a country with no tradition of democracy by the real power: administration and local authorities, by the 6000000 public servants , by an army hat has his privileges due to the "Mubarak system" and the wages due to the American taxpayer? The honorable teachers fall into the ranks of their equation doctrine, (people=good,vote= democracy,revolution=will of the people)
same as the naive Bush (the religious) falls into his own primitive logic (religious=good, atheist=bad. socialism=danger)...

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 8, 2011 12:48:42 PM


Suketu Mehta said:"And democracy? Yes, Americans live in a democracy, in which only a minority participates. In the 2010 Congressional elections, 60% of those eligible to vote chose not to. Egypt has not yet had a democratic election, but voter turnout rates in India, for example, are over 60%. The majority - 57% - of Indian voters are from the bottom fifth of the income pyramid, as opposed to 36% in the USA. The difference between the world’s two biggest democracies is this: in India, the poor vote."

In Egypt someone who does NOT vote could be punished (if she/he hasn't an explanation ) by a fine or even prison.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/dem_com_vot_pen-democracy-compulsory-voting-penalty
Also the corruption that not exist in American elections are present in Indian election and political system,
"Corruption not only has become a pervasive aspect of Indian politics but also has become an increasingly important factor in Indian elections. The extensive role of the Indian state in providing services and promoting economic development has always created the opportunity for using public resources for private benefit. As government regulation of business was extended in the 1960s and corporate donations were banned in 1969, trading economic favors for under-the-table contributions to political parties became an increasingly widespread political practice. During the 1980s and 1990s, corruption became associated with the occupants of the highest echelons of India's political system. Rajiv Gandhi's government was rocked by scandals, as was the government of P.V. Narasimha Rao. Politicians have become so closely identified with corruption in the public eye that a Times of India poll of 1,554 adults in six metropolitan cities found that 98 percent of the public is convinced that politicians and ministers are corrupt, with 85 percent observing that corruption is on the increase."
http://www.indianchild.com/corruption_in_india.htm
In India and Egypt the poor vote...and the results? There is more trust in elected leaders than in USA? Or in democracy of Mubarak? This I would call a wrong way to use statistics...

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 8, 2011 1:24:33 PM

I tried to post this comment yesterday, but it disappeared somewhere in the intertubes:
I decided to ask the 3 Egyptians (all doctors, one a big shot, 2 working as research assistants and looking for residencies, all Muslims) who work with me and I was shocked (yes, shocked, I am enough of a liberal idealist to be shocked by such things) to learn that:
1. They all think Omar Sulaiman is a thug, a torturer and a "hard man".
2. They also think he is the BEST man for the transition.
3. They fear chaos and think the protesters are making life difficult for Egyptians.
4. They sympathize with the protesters aims and would, eventually, like to see a democratic Egypt, but not too soon.
I personally love the protesters and admire their idealism and their courage. I think Solaiman and his ilk are evil and dont deserve to stay unprosecuted for one more day. And I think my unreprsentative sample does not reflect the will of Egyptian liberals, Egyptian victims of Mubaraks thugs or Egyptian Islamists.
But I also think that if and when democracy comes to Egypt, it will be more like Russian democracy or even Belarusian democracy, rather than the English or Scandinavian variety.
Since most Brown liberals dont really regard even Western democracy as being anywhere close to ideal, one can safely assume that they will be extremely disappointed by the Egyptian variety. Having lived among overseas Brown liberals for decades, I can confidently assert that no actual democracy is too attractive for us and certainly no third world democracy can be too attractive (unless its a people's democracy like, say, Cuba).
Unlike the Phillipines or Indonesia, the warts and all of Egyptian democracy will not stay too far off the front pages of newspapers. Israel being so close means it will be of great interest to the elders of Zion, and where the Zionists are interested, can their friends and enemies be far behind?

Posted by: omar | Feb 8, 2011 1:37:46 PM

RE: Jonathan Kramnick "The view from nowhere is arid and empty. But that doesn't mean we are captive to the worst feelings that surrounded us."
Wow.

RE: Blythe - Bravery -
It is a thin line that seperates bravery and the need to survive and protect your loved ones.

I'm sure I could make more comments but I think I'll finish reading it all and just let it roll around in my head for a while.

Abbas: Thank you for the amazing collection.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 8, 2011 2:47:25 PM

Mirel: the poor vote in India and they buy lottery tickets in the US... both have corrupt democracies.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 8, 2011 4:35:12 PM

@ unfinishedscriptshedscript
Hello, my friend...how are you?
very true..."the poor vote in India and they buy lottery tickets in the US... both have corrupt democracies."
The question is only in degrees and how much this touch the personal grassroots level; in simple words if YOU at personal level have to bribe someone? and if yes, how often?
@ omar said"Israel being so close means it will be of great interest to the elders of Zion, and where the Zionists are interested, can their friends and enemies be far behind?"
This revolt is also a product of Egyptian intellectuals as leaders and as I told before Israel is worried of their beliefs, All over the world and of course in Israel the intellectuals are "peace oriented"
"Egyptian intellectuals, including leftists and liberals, are the most vociferous opponents of peace with Israel. While Western intellectuals are usually conceived as generators of change, supporting universal peace, Egyptian intellectuals (like many Arab intellectuals) grow militant at the mention of peace with Israel. They conceive of the "Pharaoh's" peace with Israel as a betrayal. But since a military confrontation would be disastrous, they opt to express their dissent by opposing any form of dialogue with Israelis of any political stripe. Many of them are engaged in public activities that make Israel "an object of hatred for the ordinary Egyptian."[29] This effectively legitimizes the regime's cold peace policy by giving it the veneer of a trendy new Arabism. The leaders then seize upon rejection of Israel as an ego support system and a ready substitute for the articulation of any candid and practical vision of Egypt's future."
Read this article from 2003 (!) about this awkward relation Egypt-Israel
http://www.meforum.org/565/egypt-and-israel-a-reversible-peace

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 8, 2011 6:00:18 PM

Mirel,

I am not sure about your claim that Egyptian intellectuals all hate the idea of peace with Israel. I have personally met Egyptians who are actually OK with peace. I have also met Egyptians who are not generally peaceniks, but are OK with peace with Israel as a realistic economic choice (these are the kind who would be supporters of Omar Solaiman).
I think left-liberal intellectuals who oppose the peace deal DO include those who truly hate Israel and Israelis (in an irrational or in-humane way) but others are not against peace, they are just opposed to a "peace deal" that is built on permanent occupation of Palestinian land by Israel. That is not a matter of being warlike. It is just a matter of some notion of fairness and human rights and natural justice and so on..

Posted by: omar | Feb 8, 2011 8:18:34 PM

Omar,my friend
I'm myself a left "peace now" supporter and I have harsh criticism toward my government(s) and my country, Israel.
In all our history as a state the Israeli "peace now" movement tried to bridge between Palestinians (including Arabs neighbors) and Israeli Peace organisation in view to create a compromise, tolerance and understanding.
This was obtained with a part of Palestinians intellectuals;it didn't succeed with Egypt, even after two wars (lost by Egypt), return of all conquered land commercial,peace agreements cultural and touristic exchanges.
Egyptian intellectuals saw in the peace accords a crime and under double (triple) game of Mubarak, Egypt for Israel had a very strange attitude:
- cold peace
- secret collaboration against islamist fundamentalist terror (Hamas.Hezbollah)
- hate and warmonger inside Egypt
QUOTE:
"About the Holocaust, this big figure they mention, nine million, six million, it's not true," says Mohammed, the correspondent of an international news agency in Cairo.

"In reality it was only half a million Jews killed - no more."

The reason why the figure is important, he says, is that the Israeli Government "uses the Holocaust to put pressure on the European governments to neglect Palestine, to try to kill the dream of a Palestinian state".

Mohammed also believes the Israeli secret service, Mossad, were responsible for the 11 September attacks.


His views appear to be quite typical among journalists in Egypt and American and Israeli groups monitoring anti-Semitism in the Egyptian media are livid.
One such group is the US-based Anti-Defamation League which has also been complaining about a recent set of cartoons in the Egyptian daily, al-Wafd, calling them "viciously anti-Semitic".

The cartoons depict the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, as a Satanic figure, with horns and a tail and a swastika neck-tie.

"Quickly, go and build 10 more settlements," he says to a group of hook-nosed, religious Jews, "so we can remove them in front of the cameras."

Mohammed Khalil, who teaches Mass Communications at Cairo University, says depicting Israelis as Nazis is legitimate political commentary.

More on:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3136059.stm
You , Omar my friend, made a joke about Elders of Zion.As you know "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan to achieve global domination. The text was fabricated in the Russian Empire, and was first published in 1903. The text was translated into several languages and widely disseminated in the early part of the twentieth century. Henry Ford published the text in The International Jew, and it was widely distributed in the United States. In 1921, a series of articles printed in The Times revealed that the text was a fraud, and some of the material was plagiarized from earlier works of political satire unrelated to Jews. The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony. Their proposals to engender such include subverting the morals of the Gentile world, controlling the world's economies, and controlling the press."
see more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
A false text prohibited in civilised countries; on the base of this texts Jews were persecuted and killed; text that inflamed the pogroms. In Egypt is allowed and sold with succes with this introduction:
Excerpt from the introductory note by the translator Muhammad Khalifa al-Tunisi:

“The Jewish threat is an evil which affects not only our country, but all the countries and nations of the world. We have no choice but to remain fully alert towards its machinations, and persevere in our holy war (jihad) against it, as best as we can. We warn against it, for it is a satanic force, which strives to corrupt the nations of the world and spread hostility and hatred among people both as individuals and groups. Their purpose is to gain sole control over the world and take advantage of all that is valuable in it” (p. 12).

Published by: Maktabat al-Iman, al-Mansura, near al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt
Year Published: 1994


Excerpt from the notes to the Arabic translation:

“To the Reader: Watch over this copy of the book, because the Jews have waged war against this book whenever and wherever it appeared, and in whatever language. They were prepared to spend any amount of money in order to gather its copies and burn them, so as to conceal from the world their satanic schemes plotted against us, which are revealed in all their abomination in this book.” (p. 6).
http://www.adl.org/css/proto_egypt.asp
The antisemitic book and lies are also on Egyptian TV:CAIRO, Oct. 25— The images flash quickly across the television screen. They show a bloody face, Victorian men and women in a drawing room, soldiers wielding rifle butts. And a man in black hat with side curls and long beard.

An Egyptian satellite television channel has begun teasers for its blockbuster Ramadan series that its producers acknowledge incorporates ideas from the infamous czarist forgery ''The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.'' That document, a pillar of anti-Semitic hatred for about a century, appears to be gaining a new foothold in parts of the Arab world, some scholars and observers say.

The series, ''Horse Without a Horseman,'' traces the history of the Middle East from 1855 to 1917 through the eyes of an Egyptian who fought British occupiers and the Zionist movement.

It is divided into 41 episodes and will be shown nightly through the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which begins in about two weeks and guarantees maximum viewership because many Muslims congregate at home after breaking the daily fast.

With Egyptian state television and other Arab channels also broadcasting the series, the potential audience numbers in the tens of millions.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E1DE1F3CF935A15753C1A9649C8B63
So you understand that not about the rights of Palestinians, but our own core of existence in debate? and also do you understand that when Jews hear someone saying that Jews have to be exterminated they are taking the full weight of those affirmations? We had the Holocaust and 6 000 000 examples to take this as a true threat?

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 9, 2011 3:07:27 AM

And for some smiles a joke (American):
MikeDrucker - "I don't understand the revolution in Egypt, which I guess now qualifies me to be on CNN talking about it "

and more from:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Humour-fuels-Egypt-protests/Article1-660186.aspx
Egyptians are known for their humour and they haven't lost it even as they've sought to overthrow their government. 'LEAVE' (erhal) scream dozens of banners, posters and graffiti in red across central Cairo. The message to President Hosni Mubarak couldn't be clearer. But some use a lighter touch.

A placard at Tahrir read: "Will you please go? I've to go home and take a bath."

Khaled, a manager at Oracle's Cairo office, says he spotted one that read, 'I got married 20 days ago, I want to go back to my wife.' One banner read: 'Give me my freedom, release my hands.' Scribbled below 'My hands are tired of holding this banner.' And there are no shortage of jokes. A crowd meets Mubarak, goes one, and says, 'We have come to bid you farewell.' Mubarak asks, 'Why, where are you going?' Egyptians are known in Arab world for their irreverent humour. And it is a long tradition: a joke about a pharaoh has been found on a 4600-year-old papyrus.

One Egyptian demonstrator, perched on the shoulder of a friend, is singing, "We don't want a dollar or a Kentucky/ We want a country that's free."

The reference: State media claims the Tahrir protestors are financed by unnamed foreign agencies and claimed, as evidence, that they were being given free Kentucky fried chicken. The KFC outlet at Tahrir is now covered with rebellious graffiti. As one walks back from Tahrir, people jokingly ask, "Khedt Kentucky?" (Had a Kentucky?).

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 9, 2011 5:45:11 AM

Mirel: I barely have time right now to read all your posts, but I will. I'm doing well, hope you are the same. You ask the most interesting questions.

Do I personally ever have to bribe someone? I think that depends on your definition of bribing and what my goals might be.

NO, I personally have not ever had to offer anyone money (or equivalent) to get something that I wanted that could not be bought.

However, I am aware that in America, you must know both the written and unwritten rules to get ahead. I'm also aware that there a good number of ways to get where you're trying to go here without breaking any actual 'laws' as well... and beyond that, for the less fortunate here (growing in numbers) the same rules apply just in a different and much harsher environment ("The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. The U.S. incarceration rate on June 30, 2009 was 748 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, or 0.75%. The USA also has the highest total documented prison and jail population in the world." - Wikipedia). You can apply these written and unwritten rules to anything here, because morality is as loose as people say it is. Of the most integral people I've met in my short lifetime so far, the only ones that have not been nearly destitute were the ones that understood that. You have to understand that, you learn it in elementary school, you continue learning it over and over again as you are forced to comprehend the fucked up culture you were raised in. You have several options, get kicked about and hope, get kicked about and learn, get kicked about and be in denial, get kicked about and kick back, avoid getting kicked about and get nowhere. I personally, I learn and try to be an integral, moral person, and so do a lot of people. But a lot of other people get thrown under the bus for not having their eyes open or not being willing to participate. Others play the game without even knowing it.

It's like a game to get ahead and every level of class has different versions of the rules for it and a different environment to navigate. Unfortunately for those less fortunate, playing that game has a higher personal risk, as you make your way up the classes, you have more to lose but less personal risk, as organizations have learned to restructure themselves in ways that limit liability, the broker on Wall Street is much better protected from the consequences of his actions than the lower class individual just trying to get ahead. I hate to say that Americans are all sitting around playing games but anyone who wants to get a job, keep a job, grow a business, stay off welfare, survive on welfare, etc... has to play it. The better at it you are, the further ahead you get.

These are the same principals which have so thoroughly warped our social safety nets. As the poorer are more acutely aware of how impossible it is to rise above their circumstances, the 'game' (the very same one) has led many to take unfair advantage of system (though thoroughly flawed). This would happen anyway, because people are greedy and cannot be expected to be anything but. But the special twist to the exceedingly disadvantaged is this: they are mad, they believe in justice, they understand that there is a game to be played, and they have for experienced generations of harsh injustices. You cannot opt out of the game. My father particularly has tried for many years to opt out and all it has done is thoroughly crushed him. Even at times when he thinks that he has removed himself from it, it comes crashing back down upon him. He is a very good and moral man and he is very fortunate to have my mother, but he was raised with the ideals of capitalism and freedom and believes that that capitalism can work for him and that he doesn't have to play the game to get ahead. that there is some pure, untainted way to make money, so that you don't go hungry. I bring him food a lot. I know that my mother takes care of him, but nonetheless, I bring him food and think of him when I'm buying clothes, etc... It would be shameful to him to apply for any kind of welfare.

Many Americans recently woke up with the realization that their parents were destitute because of an economy and a system that not only encourages fraud and deceit, but also legally removes moral responsibility (and continues to find ways to do so) from the very same organizations which abuse it the most. They lost whether they played the game or not, just by not playing it well enough.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but here corporatism has infiltrated everything. In school, they show middle and high school students movies about how Wal-Mart started to encourage a better understanding of business and an entrepreneurial spirit. I'd appreciate this more except there was little talk of the negative aspects of capitalism when I was that young. It was more like, "In America, you can do whatever you want, you can have whatever you want, if you just are a good person and you work hard." This is far from the truth. Now, as my children are in school, I have to monitor what my school board is doing because many schools around the country hve taken to advertising on school buses, lockers, in the cafeteria, and even in their libraries to raise money for the most basic needs. You cannot remove yourself from capitalism here and as more funding is pulled away from our basic services and more regulations are 'deregulated' the more subject to that game we all become. I do not think that the rest of the world should be striving to copy our example and I hope that the 2008 crash has helped create a better understanding of what is really going on here, though I trust humanity enough to know that we will make the same mistakes again in some other form... maybe in Egypt, but hopefully not.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 9, 2011 12:19:51 PM

I'd like also to note, that the difference between America and everywhere else is that we have played that game exceedingly well and to the detriment of those around us. Once on top, we maintained our position and THAT is why American's get worried over China and anyone else doing remotely ok. Because no one wants to be everyone else. No one wants to be implicated in the game and when you are on top you make the rules. That's why Washington stays so close to Corporate America. It is not our government that pulls the strings nowadays.

Can you tell, I hate the game, because it is corrupt... I'd move, but that is not where my family is and I love my family, and you cannot fully eviscerate yourself from the game, nor can you remove it from your life.

Survival of the least moral.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 9, 2011 12:59:46 PM

OMAR: western intellectuals do not hold the reins here. Money can only profit from the kind of peace that we have attempted to impart on the rest of the world, the kind of peace that Murabak maintained; otherwise, peace is not profitable to an industry that represents 50% of our GDP.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 9, 2011 1:07:13 PM

@ unfinishedscriptshedscript, my friend, I was not expected this, I didn't see it coming and I'm KO by your deep and real remarks and diatribes. I would need time to reply (if I'm able) and words (if I'll find)...and a drink (this is easier)
Much comfortable to speak about Egyptians ( that we are not and not sure that we understand or pity). You had me...for a while at least...

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 9, 2011 6:07:57 PM

I just want to clarify that I personally am not scared at all of Egyptians wanting to run their own country. I was just reporting what my Egyptian colleagues said or thought. I dont think it will be necessarily pretty, but there is a good chance it will be an improvement over mubarakcracy. In any event, it is the Egyptian people who should have the most say in what happens in Egypt. If they end up with an Islamist dictatorship, it is first and foremost their choice and their problem and again, i dont think that is the most likely outcome. Some sort of military rule with democratic features is more likely in the coming years. But there are both better and worse possibilities.
The bit about the elders of Zion was a joke and not a particularly good one. Anyone who knows me would get it, but of course, online very few people would really know me, so it was not a very good choice of joke. I was just making fun of the Egyptians (and other Arabs) tendency to ascribe every problem to the fictitious elders of Zion, while I was simultaneously implying that American policy and media coverage of Egypt WILL in fact be different from that of, say Indonesia (even though it has many more people) because Egypt concerns Israel in a way that Indonesia does not and Israel, both pro and con, has a very large presence in Western media and a very disproportionate influence on US policy…
Liberals in general should not be scared of democracy. But liberals in general may still want to have a realistic idea about the possibilities in any given situation.

Posted by: omar | Feb 9, 2011 6:50:03 PM

btw, unfinishedscript, count me among the shaken. Your diatribe reminds me about something Burroughs once said; he had bought a farm in Texas with fantasies of becoming a gentleman farmer but claims that he soon discovered that his moral position as a farmer in Texas was worse than his moral position as a small-time thief in New York. After which he grew a crop of Marijuana, loaded it into his car and drove back East.
But, on the other side of the ledger is the uncomfortable fact that the position of ANY middle class person in Pakistan or India may involve compromises that will leave most americans shaken. The question may be: compared to what? Sweden? Cuba? Certainly not the People's Republic of China.... I dont know...

Posted by: omar | Feb 9, 2011 6:58:38 PM

Omar, I appreciate having reminded you of something Burroughs wrote. It is very flattering.

I was thinking nearly the same thing about comparisons to other countries last night. I am aware that the degree of compromise in other countries may be harsher and I think that equivalents would be difficult to draw with cultures so different.

Most here have their eyes closed and that in itself makes America (and other democracies happily following behind) dangerous. Another difference is, though in one country you may have to bribe someone to get something basic to your needs, or maybe somewhere a widow was stoned for being adulterous, but being a cog in the huge wheel of an economic system that promotes, creates, and demonizes poverty – which results in all of the above situations occurring and then some, being a part of an economy which promotes no moral standard, and one which oppresses other countries whilst shaking their hands and promising freedom, one which takes advantage of every bit of good positive social change and produces nothing more than more greed, corruption, and a population of people who are blind to the injustices occurring… are those moral implications more or less harsh? We are all implicated and complicit especially when so much could be done to change it, if so many greedy hands would just let go and so many eyes began to open.

We have serfs (mortgage companies) who are stealing back homes that were sold on the promise that it was a good idea, that it was feasible and financially sound to buy a home, that everything would be fine and now they are kicking people out of their homes – which were fraudulently sold in the first place- (we have tent cities too and overflowing homeless shelters… and when they don’t fit in the homeless shelters we arrest them and put them in jail) and investors are watching very closely at the foreclosure rate. The rate of foreclosure is now a good thing. I’ll repeat, the rate at which people are kicked out of their homes due to bad investment products and housing prices that were illegally pushed into a bubble, the rate at which we can demonize and vilify the victims of this insanity, is something which people think is a good thing to go up. They want to see that rate go up until the number of homes available on the market creates a ‘reset’ of the situation. EVEN the Federal Reserve is trying to loosen rules for this to happen. And we watch it happen and applaud.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 10, 2011 10:49:30 AM

@ unfinishedscriptshedscript
(Your name doubled? LOL)
CORRUPTION: You don't understand and I will explain: till age 22 I was in a "socialist" country (Romania of Ceausescu) and mostly each day we bribed someone to buy a book, to buy meat or a pair of shoes; all was sold under the counter for bribes; we bribed teachers and cops; in our ID card or driver licence were a bill of 100 to bribe the policeman. All were receiving bribes and our "finesse" was to know if the person was receiving money (low class) or gifts (high class corruption).Of course that something was illegal the payment was substantial. Even for myself and my family the state of Israel paid a ransom of 2000-3000$/head to Romanian bribe state; 100$ as personal commission to Ceausescu's Swiss account.
In Israel, as in USA and Europe, the corruption exist ONLY on the higher level where MIGHT meets CAPITAL and not in grassroots. In my other 38 years of Israel I never ever paid bribes, not being in a high place ...LOL...However many are the places in the world where corruption is at the base of the society and your country USA is not one of them.
ALIENATION I believe that your feelings are an alienation syndrome of the capitalist society and as Omar, I thought also of Burroughs and Marcuse.
However I will add that you a live in a empire that is in decline due to the fact that stupid and corrupt politicians allowed that the industry and places of work to be transferred to China and other places of low pay and no social rights. Globalisation that produces Wallmarts and a impossibility to pay mortgages( conceived to be met by people that have a steady income that is GROWING due to work experience and improved social rights as it was till the fall of "socialist" regime). No more afraid of revolutions, the capitalist industry moved to other countries and left the national blue and white proletariat with no work and no hope for a better future.
But please understand that what is for you the floor, for someone else is the dreamed roof of a castle. Even today your statistical income by profession, education and experience is HIGHER than the majority of similar people all over the world.
EGYPTIANS; we forgot them; they will be glad to have a tenth of what we complain about: low wages. I hope also that nobody believes that I not feel pity and solidarity with them, even that I'm afraid that the turmoil and sleep of reason produce monsters: war and unrest. Also the last news show clearly that this revolt has social roots of BREAD&WORK demands and less of democracy demands. And Mubarak is not the key issue; he will leave in short time but with the dignity of true leader/tyrant/generalissimo and in a few years much regretted by the same people that hated him; I saw this happen with other tyrants.

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 10, 2011 1:17:39 PM

My name: I know I left it that way just because, it seems it doesn't matter, you still know its me.

Thank you for filling me in. I'm glad that i could inspire such personal accounts from you.

I don't want you to think that I take your experience and that of others lightly. I had a wonderful neighbor once, who was a refuge from Russia, he'd tell me stories and share food and I'd help with his english. the amazing thing about it, is that he was an engineer there and in the U.S. a painter but he was still able to put together enough money to bring his daughter to America. Many of my friends growing up were from the Ukraine or Russia. I do understand that life is ten thousand times more difficult for most everone else and that we are extremely fortunate and prosperous.

I also understand that that comfort is not worth the lives of millions of other people and that is what I hear when I find out that the cost of me driving to work could feed an orphanage, or that the waste that we create could power such and such....

Just a couple of responses:

"In Israel, as in USA and Europe, the corruption exist ONLY on the higher level where MIGHT meets CAPITAL and not in grassroots." - and so the U.S. creates bigger damage by being more sophisticatedly destructive.


I'd say you're dead on about the Alienation syndrome... though the problem is that as more and more people here slip away from the middle class... more and more suffer the same. It is a matter of awareness and what you do with it that counts, I believe, unfortunately, self-awareness is not a common trait among the sleeping american population, which I should add is dangerous.

"However I will add that you a live in a empire that is in decline..." Yes, I do. The evil empire is buckling at the knees as the beasts we've created are begining to betray us.

"But please understand that what is for you the floor, for someone else is the dreamed roof of a castle." - and yet we are asleep to it and if not asleep, we are too busy playing a game so that we don't have to dream of someone elses floor being our castle. We are blinded by our comfort and we are going to lose that comfort and at the end of the day, the biggest demons will be the ones who comfortably said and did nothing.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 10, 2011 2:58:02 PM

I had some thoughts of going into more detail with powerful stories of american style poverty, etc... but I thought that possibly these are too private of things to share here. I will say that if you don't have anything, you cannot bribe anyone.

We are coming at this conversation from 2 extremely different perspectives.

I have a question... what happens to the poor there (in Romania)?

As for Egypt, I feel there a wait and see thing going on. wherever this conversation started, I'm afraid its been hijacked by us. sorry.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 10, 2011 3:11:23 PM

Unfinished..your statement that the people in the US are particularly blind to their position implies that in other countries they at least know what the score is...i disagree.
I admire your position, its much better than the opposite position of imagined superiority in all things, but I am afraid this is a peculiar Western liberal delusion (the idea that they live in an especially evil country). The blindness of the average Indian or Pakistani to the way they treat the poor (and the way the system as a whole treats the poor) has to be seen to be believed....

Posted by: omar | Feb 10, 2011 3:59:23 PM

I don't want to imply anyone elses particular blindness, I would not live there if I had to. I am speaking of the blindness itself being an integral part of the particular version of bad that the US represents.... a particular version of bad that (at the start of all this talk) I would hope that Egyptians would not aspire to.

And please understand, I am a poet and a performer, so it pleased me very much to write: "The evil empire is buckling at the knees as the beasts we've created are begining to betray us." though I take statements like that very seriously, I am aware that it is a blown-up, simplified, out of proportion version of the more complicated truth. But it is also shorter and prettier to say and in this sphere of conversation and hopefully with the way that everything else is written, I would hope people would be able to see through that.

Though I don't stand behind the legitamacy of the language used to impart that (with all the 'evil' this and 'demon' that)- it was a bit theatrical, I do stand behind the basic ideas...

I want to reiterate, the whole point of getting into all of the above (at least in the begining) was to say that America is not the perfect shining example that anyone should aspire to. There's a lot wrong and lot of damage our capitalist ideals do, and I have the fortune (or misfortune) of some personal experience / understanding of how all that works... lets not bring Egypt into the fold of fortune that has left so many others wishing they could sleep on our floors. It looks pretty on the outside, but so do sharks (the pretty ones at least). It's not sustainable and ultimately it's destructive.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 10, 2011 5:11:12 PM

If I had the means to see it, if that's what it takes to comprehend it totally, I would. But you have to know that people are quite stubborn and (not to be pessimistic about my own ability to be mentally flexible - though why not - but) I'd likely find a reason why uncontrolled capitalism is at fault for it.... if I tried hard enough I bet I could figure out how it was Americas fault (ok, I'm going too far on that one)...

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 10, 2011 5:17:26 PM


6:1 There is an evil which I have seen under the sun, and it is common among men:

6:2 A man to whom God hath given riches, wealth, and honour, so that he wanteth nothing for his soul of all that he desireth, yet God giveth him not power to eat thereof, but a stranger eateth it: this is vanity, and it is an evil disease.

Ecclesiastes

@ unfinishedscriptshedscript
MORAL from faraway USA seems a moral Calvinist country and as in any religious country the moral is clashing with the practice of a capitalist system of wealth repartition.
THE POORS of Romania; today, when Romania passed in organised KGB revolution from "socialism" idiotic dictate (just today we remembered that we didn't have even 10% the freedom of an Egyptian under Mubarak) to savage capitalism, the poorer are even much poorer. The bad system disintegrated followed by a period of more than 20years of "no system"; and now is getting worse.
AMERICA has many faults; don't try to attribute all the other faults of this world. Some existed before Columbus...
@Omar, my friend, I took the Elders joke as a funny joke only; BTW is fervent joke also in Israel. I wanted only to signal a footnote to explain the term for innocents readers.;-)
I like very much your posts; I have suspicion that you are a raisonneur by vocation in all the senses of the word.

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 10, 2011 6:09:07 PM

Mirel: There is nothing new under the sun (Eccl 1:9)

Good reference

I won't argue with you about America's special twist on destructive capitalism.

As far as Romania: that's what I've heard, though 'poor getting poorer' is not quite what I was looking for. Many of the russian kids I grew up with had families fortunate enough to be able buy their way out, though once in America, most of their parents couldn't use their degrees for anything and they lived with smaller salaries as maids and tradesmen. It was a quite a shock for them.

NPR featured a story (on marketplace) the other day describing the poor in Egypt... it sounded too familiar, tho it was a bit high brow i thought. The people being described had a house and some work, government subsidies, and family support. There was no talk of living in woods, eating from garbage cans, or any such things. I'm sure it happens there, and I'm sure that there are many worse situations to be in. I suppose I might make a project out of finding articles on American style poverty for the blog instead of arguing about how exactly fortunate we are (or aren't) and in what ways.

Posted by: unfinishedscriptshedscript | Feb 11, 2011 12:28:33 PM

@ unfinishedscript

POOR: in fact we are not speaking about poor Romanian people living in Romania but about immigrants. As a rule, the immigrants gifted and with technical degrees or trades will find work and good situation and wages. All my friends that were engineers are now in Canada, Israel or USA in good jobs with fair income, owners of their homes.
The immigrants with degrees in law, literature , art history,languages , anthropology...have of course huge problems and have to change their profession. Medicine is also a problem, but someone young and gifted may pass exams that give the right to practice.
If we return to Romania, a country on the way from West to Levant or to East, the national minorities, hard working and highly educated, with roots of many hundreds of years (Hungarians, Germans, Jews and Armenians) together with the flower of Romanian intellectual elite were ransomed to the West; later, after the fall of the "socialist" system, another part of intellectual and professional elite left Romania, followed by the poor class of construction workers and maids, that earning about 1000$/month (500% of their wages in Romania); the poor worked for a limited time in Europe or other parts of the world; some stayed for ever becoming happy (?) citizens or becoming lumpen-proletariat. Combined with the corruption, a heritage of the Turkish empire, here we have one of the explanations of the difficult economic situation of Romania

What has to do with the Egyptians?

The turmoil of about 5% (this is a lot!) of the Egyptian people succeed and now a period of limbo will start; IF the military junta will allow free elections and a dramatic change of Egyptian foreign policy we may expect:

-That USA will loose the hold in Middle East; Obama and his administration are perceived as traitors by Saudi, Jordan. Yemen and even Syria (where yesterday they showed a soccer match instead of the events of Cairo LOL)

- That Israel will have to initiate an armed intervention if Egypt will leave the arm blockade of Gaza or if from the Egypt territory including Sinai will start start terror attacks; the frontier with Egypt is a peace frontier that anybody may pass through; I spent months in reserve duty guarding it.

- That the economic situation will become worse and the Egyptians poor workers will immigrate to Europe, where their working places are took by Eastern EU immigrants (see Romanians now) that are better trained and more ready to easily integrate in a Western society
The article from NPR; the people that are working in a period of PEACE & STABILITY they will survive in dignity. About USA and the american style poverty - is very true BUT ONLY for an American, to be poor is not only how much you have but how much have your neighbor... it is a raport
Also don't worry too much

"We didn't Make this World we're just the Poor Fools who are living in it."
— Michael Grant (Gone)

Posted by: Mirel | Feb 12, 2011 8:33:03 AM

Unless I am mistaken, this includes only one woman. How disappointing.

Posted by: V.V.G. | Feb 14, 2011 11:55:10 PM

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