January 29, 2011
Will Egypt's Military Officers Free the Revolution?
Michael Wahid Hanna in The Atlantic:
When armored personnel carriers filled with soldiers began making their way into the heart of Cairo and other cities in Egypt on Friday January 28th, they were greeted with receptivity by protestors, who saw in the much-respected military a potential ally in their uprising against the regime. No doubt, the recent experience in Tunisia, where the military stepped in resoundingly on the side of the demonstrations and hastened the fall of the repressive regime of President Ben Ali, was fresh in their mind. The Tunisian military had intervened against the police forces, burnishing their image as popular heroes who shared the patriotic concerns of the brave Tunisians who defied the regime. The scenes that unfolded in Egypt made clear that the protestors there hoped to force a similar split between the security forces, run by the Ministry of the Interior, and the military.
While Egypt's military is no longer an active fighting force, it still retains more credibility as a public entity than Egypt's civilian institutions, crippled after years of neglect and one-man rule. In recent years, even some democracy activists, despondent from years of state repression and ineffectual organizing, have seen the military as the last hope for Egyptians against Mubarak's efforts to orchestrate his son, Gamal, as successor to the presidency. Now that demonstrators have overwhelmed the police forces and built popular momentum, the military, were it to shift its allegiance from Mubarak to the protesters, could effectively end the regime.
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Sometimes I really wonder what these western journalists working at respectable neocon magazines smoke.
The author thinks the military will be savior of the people.Would he like to enlighten us why were the military top brass in US till couple of days ago if they care so much for the people.
Secondly, when US provides aid to Egypt, most of it comes as military aid to Egyptian military.
Military has as much to gain from current system being in place as Mubarak.
And like today's statement from US state dept appreciating the appointment of chief of Egypts Gestapo (probably responsible for thousand of kidnaps, torture and deaths) saying they have a good relationship with him (he provided illegal extra ordinary rendition services to CIA), the same stands for Egypts military.
It is more in the interest of US to replace Mubarak with similar Gestapo chief or undemocratic military.
honestly, I want to smoke what these Atlantic and Foreign Policy people smoke
Posted by: Vanguard | Jan 29, 2011 3:25:36 PM
@ vanguard
One of the worst mistakes is to use historical terms from the Nazi Germany as "Gestapo" in describing Arab realities of the XXI c that even in worst cases doesn't arrive to a such degree of evil.
Second great mistake is to not understand the role of the army in Muslim and/or Arab state and society: the Army is at the base of the state, of the stability of the state and, as in case of Turkey till the recent time of Erdogan, the guardian of democracy,of secularism, of peace and of human rights.
See what a 17 years old girl from Alexandria is writing:
"The Egyptian people are counting on the Army.
We need the Army on our side. Politically, the Army is the source of everything.
People don’t trust the police – who are not respectful – but they have faith in the military units that have fanned out through the cities. There are tanks downtown here. Many families are bringing food to the soldiers.
A soldier serving in the Army could be my brother or my friend. We respect these men, and don’t believe they would hurt us."
This story is based on a half hour telephone conversation with Jessica Elsayed in Alexandria, Egypt this evening. It reflects what she said, but she could not review it before publication because the government has cut off internet service in Alexandria. This story may be revised when she has the opportunity to see it. Also see her Jan. 25 piece on the first day's protest.
http://youthjournalisminternational.blogspot.com/2011/01/inside-egyptian-revolution.html
Posted by: Mirel | Jan 30, 2011 9:24:00 AM
I was not referring to Army as Gestapo but their intelligence apparatus "mukhabarat" as Gestapo. Though they may not be as evil as Gestapo yet they strike the same fear in locals as well as travelers like myself to the region.
Secondly, they respect the army so far (and they did too in China before Tiananmen Square massacre) is so far the terror has been mainly spread through police and intelligence establishment. However, what they fail to realize and they will in short time that Army is the one backing Hosni Mubarak and Army has most to gain from the current status quo, they will come around...if not today, then may be five years down the line
Your statement "in case of Turkey till the recent time of Erdogan, the guardian of democracy,of secularism, of peace and of human rights." tells me that how out of touch you really are.
Turkish Army was never the guardian of democracy nor human rights. You forget how they killed their Prime Minister, outlawed political parties and just recently were involved in coup against Erdogan government.
Posted by: Mirel | Jan 31, 2011 4:02:39 AM
@Vanguard
strange that you are posting using my name...
Again do not use names of the Nazi Germany as "gestapo" for severe, arbitrary but necessary and vital institution as Egyptian security Forces that had a crucial role in checking the terrorism in the region.
The Army in Egypt will have to decide; probably the decision will be against Mubarak in an attempt to save the laic state against a possible theocracy,to guard the special relations with USA and mostly the aid from USA. Without this aid, Egypt and the Egyptian Army will collapse shortly.I believe also that Obama administration will try to help to create new contacts with the new government.
The Turkey's democracy, laicity and human rights were saved and protected by the Turkish Army; today Turkey, aligned with Iran against former allies, including USA and Israel, is becoming a theocracy; the democracy is now in prison, together with opponents of Erdogan and hundreds of army officers.
In the Muslim countries and mostly in the Middle East the autocrats give stability to their states, the intellectuals call to war and nationalism, the free democratic elections produce theocracies or bring terrorist organisation in govern, the demonstrators call for "freedom" when in fact they want "bread and work"; the scapegoats of the miserable situation of all social classes are Israel and USA ; the Army is the force that elect the leaders and only wars solve the demography problems... Middle East...A queer part of the world...
"The central government was a despotism tempered by military rebellion and assassination and replacement of one scurvy lot of ruling dynasts by another. But the high politics of the city of Rome little affected the lives of the masses or even of the provincial nobility. It was the wonderful army that provided the continuity and peace that this vast population enjoyed."
— Norman F. Cantor (Antiquity: The Civilization of the Ancient World)
Posted by: Mirel | Jan 31, 2011 9:03:43 AM
And another quote for you, Vanguard that is more familiar:
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us. - Paul Valery
;-)
Posted by: Mirel | Jan 31, 2011 12:50:19 PM
Apologies for using your name in the earlier post. I wouldn't have noticed it. Apparently my browser did something funny when I clicked on Remember personal info?
Posted by: Vanguard | Feb 1, 2011 3:27:00 AM
So your contention is that, at least that will be the end argument unless I am misconstruing you, since democracy and revolutions will bring in Islamists as they have in Turkey, Iran and elsewhere, it is better to stick with oppressive regimes and their military as they are guardians of stability and secularism. People who are poor, illiterate and since governments don't look after them find solace in religion, are incapable of ruling themselves and knowing whats best for them. It should be left to military men and old guard since they have the experience to decide whats good for the people. Am I right in assuming this?
Posted by: Vanguard | Feb 1, 2011 3:30:26 AM
My friend Vanguard, your last post is very conclusive and is putting me to the wall; you have only to ask me if I prefer to cover my eyes with a handkerchief and for me to cry:Viva la Revolucion! Libertad o Muerte! ...LOL
What you describe so well is the situation AS IT IS in the Middle East Arab World. Today we have only two forms of government:
-absolutism based on army power or army election (as Jordan)
-fundamental Islam (Iran,Gaza,maybe even Lebanon)
-With no doubts, this is history of XXc till now in ME. It is difficult to believe that this situation may change as a miracle ...
What I hope and believe is that from the intellectual elite of those countries will emerge a democratic secular social(ist)oriented movement that will educate and cultivate the people to peace, work, freedom, tolerance and laic education. If you believe that this intellectual elite exist?
My very personal and incompetent opinion, based on the Egyptian media that is nationalist and warmonger, on interviews with the Egyptian professor, writers, artists..: this intellectual elite that want peace, democratisation and tolerance does NOT exist in Egypt.
However by my recent participation in 3QD I had the extraordinary and positive and optimistic surprise that this elite exist in Pakistan and in Pakistani Diaspora and probably there is the real hope for the Islamic World.
Posted by: Mirel | Feb 1, 2011 10:25:42 AM
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