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June 21, 2010

Blame the Victims and Make Them Feel Guilty – Part 1

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Blame the Victims and Make Them Feel Guilty – Part 1

by Norman Costa
 
 
The Pope arrives to address the problem. What problem?

In April of 2008 I followed the story of Pope Benedict XVI visiting the United States. I was very interested in what he had to say about clergy sex abuse of minors. He set aside his homily at Holy Mass at Washington Nationals Stadium, Thursday, April 17, in Washington ,DC to address the problem. 

The Pope's homily began with a commemoration of the first Catholic diocese in the United States, created by Pope Pius VII, and established in Baltimore, MD in 1789.  For the most part, I found the content to be somewhat tame with religious abstractions, scriptural quotations that were not very illuminating to a listening audience, and exhortations that I did not feel were especially inspiring.

Finally, he addressed the problem of sex abuse of minors in “the Church in America.” At this point the tameness of the Pope's homily took on a weirdness.
“It is in the context of this hope born of God’s love and fidelity that I acknowledge the pain which the Church in America [emphasis mine] has experienced as a result of the sexual abuse of minors. No words of mine could describe the pain and harm inflicted by such abuse. It is important that those who have suffered be given loving pastoral attention. Nor can I adequately describe the damage that has occurred within the community of the Church. [emphasis mine] Great efforts have already been made to deal honestly and fairly [emphasis mine] with this tragic situation, and to ensure that children – whom our Lord loves so deeply (cf. Mk 10:14), and who are our greatest treasure – can grow up in a safe environment.”
Sex abuse of minors was limited to “the Church in America.” However, damage was done to “the community of the Church,” an expression of universality. I also noticed a slight emphasis or stressing in his speech, when he pronounced the word, “fairly.” I understood this to be a reference to large damage awards to  date, with more to come. If my powers of emphasis/stress detection were working, I could have concluded that he was very, very concerned that future monetary damage awards might be 'unfair,' from the Church's point of view. Or, is he talking only about “the Church in America.”
 
The Popes' words bothered me because he could not talk about the horror in the Church without a reference the money the Church will have to pay the victims. At least he could have put his anxiety over damage awards into a different paragraph. Here's the rest of the paragraph.

"These efforts to protect children must continue. Yesterday I spoke with your Bishops about this. Today I encourage each of you to do what you can to foster healing and reconciliation, and to assist those who have been hurt. Also, I ask you to love your priests, and to affirm them in the excellent work that they do. And above all, pray that the Holy Spirit will pour out his gifts upon the Church, the gifts that lead to conversion, forgiveness and growth in holiness."

At this point, I was wondering if the Pope had taken the time to educate himself on the traumatic nature of child sex abuse. Did he understand how the effects of this horror are manifest in victims? Did he know what is required to treat victims, and help them to heal, recover, and integrate? Has the Pope any idea of the consequences of PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) for children and minors who have been sexually abused? Did anyone on his staff arrange for the Pope, and others in the Curia, to receive instruction or briefings on the effects of child sex abuse for the victim?

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He said, “Yesterday I spoke with your Bishops about this.” Just yesterday? What did you tell them? Have they been educated on the nature of child sex abuse, the character of the perpetrators, the effects on the victims? I wondered, because it was clear to me, at that time, that priests, pastors, bishops, and Cardinals were not exhibiting any mastery of the subject, and certainly were not showing any interest in doing so.

There was not the slightest hint of awareness that the Church had already lost credibility in the eyes of many faithful, among priests, nuns, other religious, and among believers and non-believers outside the Church. He asked for love and affirmation for your priests. He did not ask for the clergy to earn back the love, respect, and affirmation they lost. Maybe he didn't see the need. The laity were being asked to heal, reconcile, assist, and pray. Was there no awareness of the absence of counsel, admonishments, and requests of the clergy from his homily?

It is impossible, for an uninformed reader of this homily, to know who was sexually abusing children. Not once is the word clergy or priest connected, directly or by inference, to the act of child sex abuse, itself. Yes! Reread the paragraph and see if it tells you who were the monsters that violated the children in “the Church in America.” You can't figure it out if you didn't know already. There is no reference to the clergy as the perpetrators of abuse.

It is impossible for me to take, seriously, Pope Benedict XVI's counsel for conversion and forgiveness. In his mind, who needs conversion and forgiveness? It can't be the priests and the bishops, because he said nothing about their transgressions, and did not indicate that they needed conversion or forgiveness. Is it the victim of clergy sex abuse who needs conversion and forgiveness? What would a naïve reader conclude about the intended target of conversion and forgiveness? Two years later, the Pope acknowledges that justice must come before forgiveness. By this time, the Pope is clear that clergy were the perpetrators of the abuse; he states that justice is for the victim; and the victim is asked to forgive the Church. This is progress, as far as sentence structure and paragraph organization are concerned. 


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George Weigel, “In Depth”


Two months later I was watching “In Depth” on Book TV, broadcast on C-SPAN 2. “In Depth” is a three hour, live interview, call-in program with one author discussing his or her body of work. “In Depth” was featuring George Weigel, author, Catholic Theologian, scholar, and public intellectual. Of his many books, two titles convey a great deal about Weigel: "Witness to Hope: The [Official] Biography of Pope John Paul II" (1999), and “The Courage To Be Catholic: Crisis, Reform, and the Future of the Church," (2002). He is important and influential in the Catholic Church in the United States, and in the Vatican.

He is very smart, extremely well read, a prolific author, a strong voice for orthodox Catholicism, absolutely loyal to the Catholic Church, critical of the Church in some areas, and a biblical scholar. His discourses on religion, theology, philosophy, history, culture, society, war and peace are always instructive and well informed. [You can watch the entire interview HERE.  The section I will address is fourteen minutes from time mark 01:46:00 to 01:59:30. ]

In the past, I've watched a few shorter interviews with George Weigel, and I enjoyed listening to him, even when I disagreed. But not this time. Not on the problem of clergy sex abuse of minors in the Catholic Church. I was not so much disappointed with Weigel, as bewildered by his complete lack of understanding the nature and consequences of child sex abuse; he does not understand what is involved in treating victims of child sex crimes; and he doesn't have any semblance of insight into the psychology of the perpetrators of child sex crimes.

He is harsh in his criticism, even contempt, for bishops who were irresponsible or made “grave errors of judgment.” But, there is not the scintilla of awareness that lying, perjury, stonewalling, protecting known paedophiles, recycling them through other parishes, enabling abusers, and contemptuous behavior toward the law, victims, and their supporters are not manifestations of irresponsibility and making “grave errors of judgment.” They are manifestations of criminal behavior, psychopathy, behavioral and mental disorders, narcissism, selfishness, a sociopath's belief that rules don't apply to them, sinful disregard for the spiritual well being of the faithful, sinful failure as shepherds who should protect their flock from harm, and pure self interest.

George Weigel does not entertain the possibility that this may be evidence that clergy sex abusers are among their ranks; that some are known to each other and help each other with support, cover up, and protection; that they promote each other into powerful jobs to perpetuate their virtual immunity; and that they can blackmail, explicitly and implicitly, non-abuser bishops and Cardinals, with the threat of exposing their significant sexual activity. (Over a clerical career,  almost half of the priests will have significant lapses in their own celibacy.) These are child sex abuse rings. There is no evidence that they have disappeared.

George Weigel doesn't have a clue. What he does have are pat answers, shallow analysis of problems that miss the mark completely, lots of disinformation, and messages of guilt for the victims. He is participating, explicitly and specifically, in a continuing abuse of clergy sex abuse victims. That would be bad enough, if it were not for the fact that he is a central figure in discrediting critics, including victims. To make things even worse, he completely obfuscates the fundamental psychopathic character of those that commit and enable clergy sex abuse of minors, by characterizing the cause of clergy sex abuse, and the 'bad judgment' of bishops and Cardinals, as a spiritual failure. More on this later.

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Fuck those greedy lawyers, and the victims they rode in on.


George Weigel said the following about damage awards to victims of clergy sex abuse of minors, in his 2008 “In Depth” interview. (Reader, please note that George Weigel has not changed any his ideas, discussed here, since the time of this interview.)

“How much of this money is going to victims, and how much money is going to the plaintiffs' bar. A lot of people who were not sexually abused in any way shape or form have made an extraordinary amount of money out of all this. And that is an aspect of this that needs to be addressed as well.

“This also brings us, if I may just broaden the lens here, to a larger problem in our democracy, and that is the way our tort law operates. I think we are all beginning to understand – I hope we are – that getting several million dollars in damages for spilling a hot cup of McDonalds' coffee on you is a little ridiculous, legally.

“My wife's late courtesy uncle was the chief civil court judge of northern Scotland for 20 years. And as you may know, Scottish law divides the civil and criminal, there are two different court systems. When uncle Stanley, as I knew him, he was a wonderful man, who survived the River Kwai as a Japanese prisoner of war, very distinguished legal scholar, when he heard me tell him in 1975 that juries fixed damages in these kinds of cases his already low view of the American legal system went subterranean. And he said, “Are you crazy? How can you possibly expect a jury to come to a reasonable judgment, here?”

“So there's a broader question at issue here, and frankly a broader spiritual and psychological issue, and that is to what degree does money fix things. The Church I think should bend every effort, including every financial effort, to heal what can be healed in people who have been seriously hurt by an institution both we and they love. At a certain point, although our tort law may not recognize this, our culture should recognize that some things can't be fixed by money. And that's a tough argument for people to make in our society. But it's in this instance, and in many other instances of our culture, that is perhaps not a bad idea to start talking about in public.”

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The great McDonalds coffee cup lie.

The first thing I have to do is expose the absolute lie Weigel is promulgating, about the McDonalds Coffee Cup case. He falsely creates disgust with our system of civil tort justice, and erodes the confidence of our citizens (in this case, deliberately so for American Catholic citizens) in the fairness of civil tort law. This is what Weigel has done by saying that, “...getting several million dollars in damages for spilling a hot cup of McDonalds' coffee on you is a little ridiculous, legally.” I'm surprised he didn't use the phrase, “frivolous law suits.”

The actual facts of the case are found HERE. Very briefly, here are the facts.

“There is a lot of hype about the McDonalds' scalding coffee case. No one is in favor of frivolous cases of outlandish results; however, it is important to understand some points that were not reported in most of the stories about the case...[.]

“McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was scalding [180°F] -- capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh and muscle.

“Stella Liebeck...was in the passenger seat...when she was severely burned by McDonalds' coffee...[.] Liebeck, 79...ordered coffee that was served in a Styrofoam cup at the drive through window...[.]

“...Liebeck placed the cup between her knees...to remove the plastic lid...[.] As she removed the lid, ...[coffee] spilled into her lap.

“...[S]weatpants...absorbed the coffee and held it next to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined...[she] suffered...third-degree burns...over 6 percent of her body,...her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. She was hospitalized for eight days,...[and] underwent skin grafting...[and]...debridement treatments, [and] sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused.

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“The trial court...reduced the punitive award to $480,000 -- or three times compensatory damages [$160,000]...[.]

“The parties...entered into a secret settlement...never...revealed to the public...[.]”

At the very least we expect more from a scholar, Catholic theologian, and official biographer of Pope John Paul II. He should acknowledge his mistake, as publicly and as frequently as his telling of the untruth.  He should apologize to the victims of clergy sex abuse for associating their damages, caused by pathological Catholic clergy, with an untruthful story of reaping millions of dollars for a frivolous claim. He should apologize to the public, and to the Church.

Weigel should do everything possible to undo the effects of his untruthful story telling, and educate his audience about the terrible and painful truth of the Liebeck case. He should retract his claim that our civil tort system of justice, as exemplified by the untruthful story he told, is a problem for our democracy. I sincerely hope he will have “The Courage To Be Catholic,” confess, and make amends for telling and retelling a huge untruth of great consequence.

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American juries cannot make reasonable judgments.

Another patently untruthful story he tells is that the American jury system, in civil tort cases are incapable of rendering appropriate judgments on damages. He invokes the opinion of a deceased Scottish relative of his wife. He quotes the gentleman as saying about American juries in tort cases, “Are you crazy? How can you possibly expect a jury to come to a reasonable judgment, here?” Weigel suggests that only a judge can formulate appropriate damage awards.

He says the relative was a civil judge in Scotland for 20 years. It pains me to criticize a man about whom Weigel says, “...he was a wonderful man, who survived the River Kwai as a Japanese prisoner of war, [and] very distinguished legal scholar...[.]” Certainly, he was not a scholar of international civil tort law that included the United States. I would think twice about using the status of a dead relative who was distinguished, and a war hero, to prop up another gross untruth.

In the civil tort system in the United States, juries do not make compensation awards in a vacuum. Often, judges work with juries on a process for making decisions on monetary values. There are guidelines, recommendations, formulas, and lots of history. While there seems to be more consistency in compensatory damages, there seems to be more variability, and higher awards for punitive damages with juries.

Any jury award of consequence is always appealed. The usual result is a lowering of awards, particularly punitive awards. This is what happened in the Liebeck case against McDonalds. The judge reduced the compensatory and punitive award. The civil tort system of justice has balance and participation between an experience jurist (the judge) and the CONSCIENCE OF THE COURT (the jury of citizens.)

There is a very good discussion of the issues in an article titled “Killing Off the Jury with Tort Reform,” by attorney Clay S. Conrad. The article can be found HERE. I quote a few sections from the article:

“Tort reform advocates say that their goal is...to end frivolous lawsuits and the excesses of “trial lawyers”. ...[A]ll the talk about those evil, greedy trial lawyers is a smokescreen. What...[they] really want to eliminate the risk of being held liable and punished by a civil jury.”

This is the part that raises the hackles of George Weigel.

“The plaintiff's lawyer only gets paid if he wins, and then he receives a percentage of the jury award...a contingency fee. The lawyer puts a great deal of time into the case, and usually advances the funds to pay experts. This can quickly run into very large sums of money. If the case is lost, so is that money. Obviously, plaintiff's law is a high risk business - like drilling oil wells. You sometimes win big – and sometimes lose big.

“Reduce the possible gains and you reduce the willingness of plaintiff’s lawyers (for the most part small businessmen) to take big risks. So, the corporate tort reform agenda is to raise the raise the risks and void the gains.

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“Tort reformers claim that excesses by those dreaded “trial lawyers”, (which somehow only includes plaintiff’s counsel, but not the lawyers defending corporations) make tort reform necessary.”

George Weigel is unashamed in his cynical characterization of attorneys who represent victims of clergy sex abuse.


“A lot of people who were not sexually abused in any way shape or form have made an extraordinary amount of money out of all this. And that is an aspect of this that needs to be addressed as well.”

Of course, the Church in America has spent tens, or possibly, hundreds of millions of dollars in fees to their own attorneys. I believe it is safe to say that most of the attorneys for the Church in America “...were not sexually abused in any way shape or form...,” and that these law firms “...have made an extraordinary amount of money out of all this.” I doubt, though, that Weigel sees the extraordinary income collected by law firms for the Church “...is an aspect of this that needs to be addressed as well.”

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Some victims are not worth the money.

One of the most sickening things I heard, coming from George Weigel, was the unsubtle floating of a proposal to eliminate monetary awards if the damage caused by clergy sexual abuse cannot be fixed by money.

“At a certain point, although our tort law may not recognize this, our culture should recognize that some things can't be fixed by money. And that's a tough argument for people to make in our society. But it's in this instance, and in many other instances of our culture, that is perhaps not a bad idea to start talking about in public.”

I would hate to think he is baiting an uninformed public, who will vent their own disappointments in life upon the winners of the clergy sex abuse lottery.

Consider the calculated insensitivity in his proposal. It is a straight matter of how the Church can reduce monetary awards because the cancer patient is going to die soon, anyway.

Is he kidding? Is this the pastoral love and care the Pope promised to victims? What Weigel withholds in his proposal is the fundamental principle that tortfeasors (wrongdoers), who injure others, should not profit from their act. Not being required to provide relief to a victim is a windfall for the tortfeasor. We should call this “Winning the tortfeasor lottery.”

There is a purpose for monetary awards for which punitive damages are a vehicle. Punitive damages are, typically, an amount equal to three times the compensatory damages. They are awarded when the injurious act is found to be intentional, willful, wanton, or malicious. The purpose is to reform or deter the tortfeasor, and others, from engaging in similar conduct. This means that the Church in America cannot avoid monetary penalties because the victim of clergy sex abuse is a self-destructive substance abuser, or has committed suicide, is unable to form relationships for any period of time, or becomes an unrepentant, virulent anti-Catholic.

Thank you for reading, and please come back on, July 18, for Part 2. I will discuss more disinformation from Catholic Theologian George Weigel, examination what contributes to clergy sex abuse, propose what the Church in America should do now, and recommend what should be done in the future.

Posted by Norman Costa at 12:15 AM | Permalink

Comments

"If my powers of emphasis/stress detection were working..."

Exactly. You could just have easily parsed this wrong and inserted the parts you later held against him: fairness = money, the talk of money bothered me. You made that up. You do it again in the "church in America" bit. His speechwriter (in all probability) could have put that in there to make sure he "connected" with the audience and that they knew he was taking their cases seriously, and left it out where you point to its absence because it sounded funny to repeat "in America" over and over again. Or not. Same with the "Just yesterday" remark. He could have talked to them daily but thought it was better to point out the most recent instance, or the first time he'd done it in a group in person or whatever.

This is exactly the kind of parsing that plagues politics (help the poor = tax increase and redistribution of wealth = socialism). Here's another one: "I understood this to be a reference to" = I guessed.

We all know that many of these people speak in code with meanings behind the apparent meanings, but that doesn't make it valid for you (or anyone else) to pick out words, assign them whatever meaning you think best and then hold that meaning against the person who uttered the word. You inserted the meaning. Maybe you're fixated on money. Maybe you went in there looking for a bone to pick, didn't find any so you invented your own.

This is completely aside from the issue at hand.

Posted by: 1369ic | Jun 21, 2010 7:01:01 AM

Good arguments, Norman! I have followed this story since early in the last decade, when the cover-up began to fall apart here in Boston -- as the world now knows. It seems clear to me that as long as no one very highly placed in the Church calls the persistent problem of priests violating children a real crisis, then as far as leadership is concerned, it's an issue of image management, and of tending to a the odd priest/abuser as an individual with big spiritual failings.

Either this is genuine moral blindness, mixed with stone ignorance of the long reach of child sexual abuse, mixed with an almost angelic tendency to see "spiritual failure" where the terms "guilt" and "sexual perversion" would do nicely, or -- Church leadership is speaking for the record on the advice of counsel.

I am astonished that the concept of sin is nowhere employed to describe the situation. Like you, Norman, I went to a Catholic school, and was there long enough to be taught that the most hideous sins would be forgiven if repentance were sincere. I am wondering if the Pope sees abuser priests as not merely shepherds with significant spiritual failings, but as serial child rapists. That is, as major sinners whose mighty repentance might well be sufficient to gain them forgiveness and salvation -- spiritual affairs -- but not to keep them on the job or out of jail.

There are things plain to 10-year old kids that the Church just cannot afford to know about itself -- apparently. It's true, the Church can continue to avoid owning up to decades of enabling the kinds of criminals -- rings of them -- that even the worst of prisoners among lay people despise, but the cost will be very great. For the time being, I am not referring to the financial cost, but to the potential transition of the Church from the all-powerful Mother at the center of the lives of the faithful to the doddering parent behind the wheel who needs to be taken off the road.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 21, 2010 10:51:55 AM

My favorite part was the bit where the article made that brilliant though uncritical move from "Weigel is wrong to try to shift the issue from the matter at hand to problems with tort law," to "there are no problems with tort law."

I think that the RIAA loved that part too.

Posted by: markst7 | Jun 21, 2010 11:26:33 AM

Because the Church has so blatantly put the protection of Clergy over the safety of children, I find myself without the church of my youth. My parish had the distinction of having to terminate the positions of two bishops because they were found out to be pedophiles AFTER they had become bishops. I can't imagine the amount of arrogance it takes to allow ones self to rise up within the ranks of your organization, thinking you will never be found out for the most egregious of sex abuse. I sat on the finance council for that diocese and realized that our values were so out of sinc when I found out that one of our abuser bishops was living lavishly with our financial support and that his spiritual failures were more significant than to address the nature of his crime. He was the first to leave and the one who was sent in to help heal our faith community turned out to be the same and had to leave - I imagine with our financial support as well. The Catholic Church needs to seriously revisit itself and the rules that make no sense regarding the way women and children are treated.

Posted by: Sharon Martinelli | Jun 21, 2010 11:50:59 AM

One huge part of the problem is summed up for me by a look at the 'Holy Trinity"; Father, Son, and a Holy Ghost' instead of a Mother.

Posted by: Alice de Tocqueville | Jun 21, 2010 1:04:25 PM

The Catholic Church is one of the most bizarre cults on the planet today, with a history of murder and carnage, abuse, and intolerance.

That its hierarchy would comprise serial pedophiles is hardly a surprise.
Materially it is there for all to observe, and is what is happening.

Posted by: Dave Ranning | Jun 21, 2010 1:09:38 PM

Wow, Sharon. That's a devastating story. And -- it's great to see you here as well as elsewhere.

Markst7, I think you're simplifying the point the writer is making -- although I too am not happy that the bite taken by a few lawyers is so very great in such cases. Indeed, lawyers are probably the only ones who believe that money fixes everything. It does, for them. If I read the essay correctly, it seems to suggest that the issue is not tort reform -- as George Weigel would deflect us to thinking about -- but the lifetime cost of surviving child sexual abuse. Maybe one of these years, the Vatican's lawyers will find it significant that their own fees, pooled with the fees not earned by lawyers who would not be needed to advocate for the survivors of abuse, would go some distance towards addressing the medical and psychiatric costs piling up on survivors. I hope that in a future article in this series, Norman will discuss how fair settlements might be arrived at.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 21, 2010 1:20:17 PM

Catholic Link of the day:


For Inquiring Minds Only

Posted by: Dave Ranning | Jun 21, 2010 1:29:26 PM

Terrific essay, Norman. Wouldn't it be nice if Weigel found his way to it? Meanwhile I'll be looking forward to reading Part Two.

Posted by: Randolyn Zinn | Jun 21, 2010 1:29:36 PM

Alice, I think that's why the "Virgin Mary" is a big deal in Catholicism. In Protestantism, not so much emphasis on the virgin-mother. Funny so many people seem to overlook the oxymoron.


Posted by: Louise Gordon | Jun 21, 2010 2:14:31 PM


"there are no problems with tort law."

Markst7: It is false for you to say or suggest that I agree with the above statement, or that it could be inferred from my writing.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 2:20:00 PM


Elatia,

"I hope that in a future article in this series, Norman will discuss how fair settlements might be arrived at."

Yes, I will have something to say about it. In the meantime, here's a very good article on the subject.

Sensitive task of putting a price tag on sex abuse

By Mary Wiltenburg | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
October 23, 2003

http://www.snapnetwork.org/psych_effects/sensitive_task_price_tag.htm

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 2:28:31 PM

Louise, there's a book by the horrifyingly intelligent Marina Warner that you would like -- _Alone of All Her Sex_. It dates from the 1970s, but is evergreen. The Virgin is a figure of infinite compassion, to whom Protestants do not pray. But Catholics owe her a unique form of service called hyperdulia -- as much adoration as can be offered to anyone not God or Christ.

If you are suffering inordinantly, Catholics believe, the Virgin will intercede for you. This is influence, but it is not power. However, if I were a Catholic, I might begin to believe that the Virgin had heard enough, by now, to start using her influence on behalf of the suffering faithful. And, I have a deep suspicion that the women of the Church may soon rise up -- perhaps in the name of the Mother of God.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 21, 2010 2:40:04 PM

Thanks for the story Norman. Those of us outside of the USA have little idea how the pope is seen there and how the cases are playing out.

The whole scandal has gone pretty quiet here in Europe.. Mr Ratzinger took a page out of Silvio Berlusconi's "I'm such a poor victim, stop bashing me around" book.... It seemed to work..

Oh Dave: the video was great! Thanks.

Posted by: Bill | Jun 21, 2010 2:43:28 PM


Sharon Martinelli,

I have followed this subject for a long time, yet I still react each time I hear an all to familiar story, like yours.

You help me to make the point that that there are child sex abusers (paedophiles among them) who know each other, and provide mutual support and protection. Too, they supply mutual opportunities for access to children and young people to satisfy their perversions.

Weigel, and so many others, do not want to face this fact. He would rather intellectualize the problem by calling it a spiritual failing. It is beyond imaginable, for them, that the Catholic Church, clergy and laity, is infested with child sex abuse rings.

In regard to the events you described, has anyone asked whether this is evidence of child sex abuse rings within the Church?

My guess is that drawing such conclusions is beyond the comprehensibility of most people. That's why we need people of the intellect, importance, and influence of George Weigel to validate what people know in their hearts, but find it impossible to accept on a conscious level.

Instead we get untruths and not too subtle suggestions that victims are making things worse.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 2:49:32 PM


Randolyn Zinn,

"Terrific essay, Norman. Wouldn't it be nice if Weigel found his way to it?"

From your mouth to God's ears.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 2:58:45 PM

As a 48 year old male who is in the process (started two weeks ago) of working my way through early childhood molestation (neighbor not clergy) - besides my hostility toward my abuser, one of the first feelings that came over me was forgiveness! Money will never buy healing, only prolong suffering.

This article gives me a very, very strong feeling that the author has his own agenda which he may or may not know, much like the sexual abuser.

Costa’s agenda is definitely NOT the welfare of the sexually abused.

Posted by: e. | Jun 21, 2010 5:12:46 PM


e:

I have come to know many people in your position, including those close to me. I hope you find healing, recovery, and forgiveness.

I will talk about forgiveness in a later article, and I hope you will consider adding your perspective on the subject, at that time.

Peace to you, brother, and all who suffer.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 5:41:07 PM


Everyone:

The comment from e, above, as well as my reply, prompt me to offer some words about my interest in child sex abuse, particularly by clergy.

Here is the body of an email I sent to an editor at America Magazine, a Jesuit publication.

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The Rev. James Martin, S.J.

Re: My thoughts about forgiveness for the abusers:

Thank you, very much, for your video on penance, regarding the scandal of clergy sex abuse in the Church.

You raised the issue of penance by the laity. I'm glad you asked and answered the obvious questions: What does the laity have to confess? and; Why is the laity obligated to do penance for the sins of our clergy?

My personal view is that some bishops want to spread the guilt so as to deflect from or lessen their own. At the same time they are really blaming the victims, themselves, for the evils that were perpetrated upon them.

However, I want to discuss another matter regarding forgiveness of the perpetrators of child sex abuse.

In 2003, my recently widowed father told me that he was sexually abused by a priest who prepared him for the Sacrament of Confirmation. ...


[My father is 93, infirm, and in a nursing home. Also, I discovered, two years earlier, that my mother was sexually abused as a child and teen. At one point she was pimped-out to a doctor so they could make payments on a new car.]

In 2004, I started working with a group of social workers, therapists, and school personnel who were dealing with child sex abuse on a daily basis. They were providing mental health services to both children and adult survivors. I am not a therapist. I wanted to do research on the subject and publish the findings.

As a condition for gaining access to adult survivors, I agreed to individual therapy with one of leaders of the group. Eventually, I earned the trust of a good number of survivors, and they invited me to participate in their group therapy sessions. I continue to be overwhelmed at the horrors in their childhoods, and the unimaginable sufferings that continue into adulthood, decades later. However, I am blessed to witness how they find the strength to confront their traumas, fight their way back to mental health, and turn their suffering into compassion for others. I am in awe.

My initial question, when I was invited into my first group therapy session, was if they were hoping to be able to forgive their abusers. It was a naive question, but a good one, nonetheless. One person said that his abuser parents were dead for two decades, but he still wanted to put a bomb in their graves and blow them up. Forgiveness was not so much a taboo, rather, it was an irrelevancy.

Over time, I came to understand the place of forgiveness in the recovery and healing for victims of child sex abuse. Forgiveness is manifest in a way that is both subtle and profound. First, let me outline the process of treatment, recovery, and healing. (This applies, generally, to all trauma that is accompanied by the symptoms of PTSD.)

First, the victim must find a safe place (the therapist's office, a hospital away from the battlefield, a shelter for a battered spouse.)

Second, the victim must talk through the memories of trauma, in both the details, AND the attending affect. Sometimes the memory of the affect follows months after recalling the details. There is no recovery or healing if the affect is not recovered and talked through, along with details. For many, the memories are deeply repressed, and the treatment process cannot start without first recovering these memories.

Third, the victims tell their story to others, who have experienced similar abuse. At the same time, they listen to the stories of the others. The victims come to see that they are not alone. Too, they are amazed at how much they are able to help bring recovery and healing to the others.

Fourth, and finally, the individual therapy moves toward a process of integration. The abuse is no longer denied or hidden. It is seen as part of who they are, but they are now able to take control of their lives and learn from their suffering, and the suffering of others. They develop a compassion for others.

I was in a group session when a victim of unspeakable evil asked, in pain and desperation, "What is the point of all this suffering?" The very gifted therapist answered, "There is no point to the suffering, except that which you can give to it. You are the possessor of the truth. You have the ability to do what very few people can do - tell the truth to people who need to know." She continued, "You have gained a great wisdom that no one else has. Pass your wisdom on to other victims, and to those who would bring them recovery and healing." I have seen a number of survivors step up to this task.

This brings us back to forgiveness and it's place in recovery and healing. I have learned two things. The first struck me as counter intuitive, if not obviously wrong.

(1) Forgiveness is NEVER a goal of recovery and healing. The idea of forgiving the abuser only places more burden upon the shoulders of the victim. Victims already feel responsible and guilty for what happened to them.

(2) In the process of integration, some survivors come upon a path to forgiveness, though it was NEVER an objective of treatment. Forgiveness is not being able to say to the abuser that everything is OK, now. It is never OK. Forgiveness, for them, is letting go of the rage and the hate, and foregoing the obsessions over vengeance, punishing, and retaliation. Some can reach this point of forgiving the abuser, others hope it will come, for many it never does.

The movement toward forgiveness, as I have seen it, is usually accompanied by the realization that the abuser, often a parent who was also a victim, was without resources and too sick or too disturbed. The integrated and evolved survivor may be able to differentiate the horrible acts of abuse, from the abuser who was overcome with the effects of their own abuse. Some survivors come to see that the abuser was alone in an inadequate society, or a dysfunctional family, that was empty of the smallest amount of help.

I have not yet thought through how this understanding of forgiveness, which is manifest at the level of the individual survivor, can inform us at the collective levels of laity and clergy, parish and diocese, the public and the institutional Church. Perhaps it can not. Someone else, I am sure, may have insights that I do not. Forgiveness is a blessing. How we get there may not be so obvious, or easy.

Norman D. Costa, Ph.D.

-->> END <<--

One of the best resources on this is "Trauma and Recovery: The aftermath of violence - from domestic abuse to political terror," By Judith Hermann, MD, Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Harvard Medical School and Director of Training at the Victims of Violence Program at Cambridge Hospital.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 6:29:43 PM

1. Pedophilia is defined by mental health professionals as a mental disorder "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)" - A number of proposed treatment techniques for pedophilia have been developed, though the success rate of these therapies has been very low.

2. Mental illness is considered a disability

3. The National Catholic Partnership on Disability (NCPD) sets forth a framework as a guide to the Church’s ministry for and with people with mental illness.

http://www.ncpd.org/ministries-programs/specific/mentalillness/framework
(A VERY SCARY DANCE OF WORDS RIDDLED WITH CONTRADICTIONS)

4. The American legal system defines acting on a pedophilic urge as a criminal act. And we start the murky waters of treating "mentally ill" inmates with useless behavioral therapies or with those we believe to be beyond help castration, both surgical and chemical.

5. Because we are not able to come to an agreement on how to punish crime caused by "mental disability" we have to punish (through our civil courts) an institution that for too long has neglected to protect its followers from the "mental disorders" of its clergy.

Wake up America let us take charge of our spiritual lives believer or non believer - the road has been laid out for us.

TIME TO TAKE THE WHEEL.

Posted by: Diego Taborda | Jun 21, 2010 6:39:31 PM


1360ic,

Thank you for a good observation and comment.

"We all know that many of these people speak in code with meanings behind the apparent meanings, but that doesn't make it valid for you (or anyone else) to pick out words, assign them whatever meaning you think best and then hold that meaning against the person who uttered the word."

I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.

That is why we writers must be clear with the reader when we are expressing an opinion, an educated guess, an interpretation that is our own, or a feeling we get. You were astute in noting where I did just that in a few of your examples.

One of my role models for dealing with this was the philosopher, historian, and writer, Will Durant. He would cite all sorts of facts, observations, personal accounts, and the writings of others and say something like, "We can never know what really happened. The best we can do is make an educated guess as to what was going on, and this is my personal view of what transpired."

I like to use overstatement as a rhetorical device. A perfect example is one you cited.

"Same with the "Just yesterday" remark. He could have talked to them daily but thought it was better to point out the most recent instance, or the first time he'd done it in a group in person or whatever."

You addressed the very issue I to which I tried to call attention. It was important to know whether or not the Pope's communication with his bishops, on the matter of clergy sex abuse of minors, was frequent, substantive, and consistent. As you pointed out, we don't really know, and he did not indicate otherwise, or take the opportunity to be more assuring to the victims, their families, and supporters.


Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 7:58:03 PM

Norman thanks very much for writing this. I too look forward to reading the next installment.

I made the mistake of watching the weaselly Weigel interview and found myself wishing very dark things upon his family, may the Gods forgive me. His pitiful warnings of the consequences of a financially bankrupt Catholic church (or were they threats? he seemed to be saying "sue us into bankruptcy and the economy gets it!") could only come from a dutiful cretin blind to the real bankruptcy at hand. "Some things can't be fixed by money" he tells us. No shit asshole, but given the obvious importance the Catholic church places on it, its removal would seem to be an obvious method to spur their bureaucracy into institutional reform.

Posted by: Jesse | Jun 21, 2010 9:48:12 PM


Jesse,

Thanks for commenting.

I'm glad you watched the interview. I expect the man to toe the line on orthodoxy. But did you notice the GLEE with which he related the tale Uncle Stanley's (bless his soul) minimal esteem for the American Justice System going "subterranean?"

How much contempt does this man have to display for victims fighting for their rights under the law? Victims are using the legal system for redress, and his response is to denigrate our legal system for giving them the opportunity.

He is trying to develop the view, in the public's mind, that whatever they do get is tainted by the fact that it is a system that deserves to be held in low esteem. They didn't deserve what they got anyway. And look how they are leading us to the end of the Catholic Church (and possibly the rest of civilization) as we know it.

I hope others watch the interview. I'd like to hear other, even different, takes on it.

Others can listen to the interview at:

http://www.booktv.org/Watch/9460/In+Depth+George+Weigel.aspx

The section I address is fourteen minutes from time mark 01:46:00 to 01:59:30.


Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 21, 2010 10:13:39 PM

"It is false for you to say or suggest that I agree with the above statement, or that it could be inferred from my writing."

Clearly you underestimate the powers granted one who, dispensing with care, reads with gusto.

Honestly, if I drew issue with the piece's focus on tort law, it is because worrying overmuch about the legal side of compensation and its attendent issues is following Weigel down a rhetorical rabbit hole; one ends up focusing on the mechanics of compensation rather than the reality of trauma. If trauma, by its very nature, fails to show up directly on any register, pretending that it can be entered into an economy of value obfuscates the issue. Yes, it happens, and yes there are conventions, but they're arbitrary and almost beside the point of the trauma (reparations payments regarding, say the holocaust or slavery are commendable gestures, just as money given to victims of church abuse is, but I daresay that these gestures alone never dispelled anyone's trauma). Or if the legal penalty to the church is doled out punitively, do we want to allow for claims that the church has "done its time," so to speak?

I think it's far more important to recognize that one can't clean up situations like this. Trauma is irreparable - with decent therapy, the victim learns to live with it, to mitigate its effects, but it can't be erased. One can apologize for the unforgivable, try to forgive it, or throw money or whatever else for that effect and these aren't necessarily bad things, but they make light of the issue if they're taken as an end in themselves. The situation of the traumatized is considerably more horrible than the courts are usually equipped for, but a certain lack of the courage necessary to face that horror mitigates this circumstance.

As it turns out, being sexually abused at age eight isn't quite enough to get you a new 2011 Lexus. Sad, but true. (and before someone points the contrary out, no I did not look that up, but that's not the point.)

Maybe my issue is with the fact that the piece is split and we haven't seen part two yet. But the invocation of the gravity of trauma comes right before an extended discussion of legal compensation that lasts to the end - it gives the impression that the financial side is consideration of trauma.

Posted by: markst7 | Jun 21, 2010 10:18:44 PM

What an interesting thread -- I've been following all day. Norman, you are very forbearing, with some readers here.

To my rather well-conditioned ear, it's quite sophistical to maintain that throwing money at trauma survivors actually insults the seriousness of what has happened to them. As if money could make things right, some people sneer...

It won't make things right. But what will it do? It may help to pay the medical expenses of survivors, who have health risks that non-survivors do not have. Intensive psychotherapy is not given away -- alas -- and most survivors need it desperately. To pretend that money does not get these needful things is just hideously disingenuous. Oh, perhaps the point is that ruined lives will never be made right? Well, I'm old enough to remember serious discussions of how society needed to opt out of paying for AIDS patients to be treated, since they could not be made to recover, no matter what was spent on their care. So, thinking that devalues and isolates a stricken population for its limited potential to be brought up to speed is not new to me, but it is poisonous, and I know it when I see it. It's the same thinking that gave mid-Century physicians the mojo to do experiments on black prisoners that were just too awful for white ones locked up for identical, or graver, crimes.

Yeow! George Weigel makes me yearn for the days of real Catholic intellectuals like Jacques Maritain, Simone Weil and Francois Mauriac. (George Weigel, you're no Jacques Maritain...) As disgusting as his performance is here, I find it hard to believe that he fully subscribes to the false choice he so busily sets up -- that between the care of Catholic children who are healthy, and the channeling of those funds to meet the needs of drug-addicted survivors. This is merely to ask why listeners would want money that should be spent on in-group Catholics to go to out-group Catholics instead. I had had enough Catholic education by age 13 to know what was wrong with that thinking, and I now deem George Weigel fit to start selling mortgage insurance in rural New Hampshire.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 21, 2010 11:12:42 PM


markst7,

Victims of clergy sex abuse, who were minors at the time, are suffering. Their families suffer. People who have relationships with them suffer.

For minors who were sexually abused by Catholic priests and bishops, the suffering continues unabated and severe for a lifetime, unless treated by competent, caring professionals.

And here we are having a discussion about money. For myself, I am not discussing money. I am exposing the uncaring, deceitful, excusing, deflecting tactics of George Weigel.

After a few moments of expressing regret and acknowledging a terrible pain that was visited upon victims, he gets down to business trying his very best to minimize the risk of further monetary penalties, on the Catholic Church in America, with falsehoods and deception.

He tactics are the following:

1. Slandering the attorneys chosen by victims to represent them and saying, very clearly, that they are greedy and beyond the respect and esteem of the victims whom they serve.

2. Making a clear implication that these greedy contingency lawyers are morally unqualified to represent victims, who were raped by priests and bishops, because the greedy lawyers were, themselves, never sodomized by a priest or bishop.

3. Dispense guilt upon victims for letting themselves be seduced by greedy contingency lawyers who, by virtue of never being forced into oral sex by multiple priests and bishops, are morally unfit to represent them.

4. Discrediting the ethical, legal, and moral foundations of American civil tort justice with BIG LIES, like the untruth he tells and retells about the McDonalds coffee cup scalding.

5. Dispensing more guilt upon victims for putting the Catholic Church in America at the mercy of a system of justice that is ethically, legally, and morally deficient.

6. Discrediting the time honored principle of having civil tort juries of citizens represent the CONSCIENCE OF THE COURT to reduce the risk of monetary judgments against big corporations, large institutions, and the Catholic Church in America.

7. Falsely discrediting the jury system in civil tort wards, as incapable of assessing monetary damages, to reduce the risk of monetary judgments against big corporations, large institutions, and the Catholic Church in America.

8. Dispensing more guilt upon victims for putting the Catholic Church in America at the mercy of a system of tort justice that is incapable of being fair because citizens participate in a jury.

9. Making the disgusting suggestion that suffering victims should fore go damage awards from the Catholic Church in America, if the rest of society determines that a victim, who as a baby was vaginally penetrated with a bishop's penis, is beyond repair.

We are not talking money. We are talking about the perpetuation of abuse being heaped upon victims, already traumatized, by the very same monsters.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 22, 2010 12:26:53 AM


Here is a thank you to the women who participate in this discussion, and especially Alice, Louise, and Elatia for your thoughts on gender.

I dug up a few Goddess Chants.


Healing Chant

© Nighteyes
Heal, that is the Goddess’ will.
The Lord and Lady want me to dance and sing and heal.


Strength in Community

One spirit in the dark,
like a candle wavers.
Many spirits joined as one,
burning with the power of the
blazing sun.
There is strength in community,
The circle empowering you and me.
The circle binds, yet sets us free.
In the Goddess’ name, So Mote It Be.


Praise Song

Praise to the red dawn,
grass that we walk upon.
Praise to the river’s whispering tune.
Praise to the wind brother,
praise to the Earth Mother.
Praise to Father Sun and Sister Moon,
Praise to Father Sun and Sister Moon.
Hey-ya hey-ya hey-ya.
Hey-ya hey-ya hey-ya.


Silver Shining Wheel

Holy Maiden Huntress, Artemis, Artemis,
Maiden, come to us.
Silver Shining wheel of radiance, radiance,
Mother Come to us.
Ancient Queen of Wisdom, Hecate, Cerridwen,
Old one, come to us.
Holy shining sunlight radiant, radiant,
Brother, come to us.


Passing Chant

Mother of Darkness,
Mother of Light,
Earth beneath a soul in flight,
Songs of Love,
And Love of Life,
Guide us to our hearts.


Changing Goddess

Oh, she will bring the birds in the Spring,
And laugh among the flowers.
In Summer’s heat, Her kisses are sweet,
She sings in leafy bowers.
She cuts the cane and gathers the grain,
When leaves of Fall surround Her.
Her bones grow old in Wintery cold,
She wraps Her cloak around Her.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 22, 2010 12:59:14 AM


Sharon Martinelli,

WHOOPS! Sorry. I need to acknowledge your words on gender.

"The Catholic Church needs to seriously revisit itself and the rules that make no sense regarding the way women and children are treated."

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 22, 2010 1:06:10 AM

Norman, first of all I would like to thank you for showing compassion for my suffering.

“I hope you find healing, recovery, and forgiveness.” – As I stated, forgiveness came naturally. Recovery? There is nothing to recover… I have no regrets; my abuse is part of who I am part of my complexity good, bad or indifferent. Healing comes with time, forgiveness being the first step.

“I like to use overstatement as a rhetorical device.” - I believe this is called hyperbole.

Responding to Elatia Harris:

“To my rather well-conditioned ear, it's quite sophistical to maintain that throwing money at trauma survivors actually insults the seriousness of what has happened to them. As if money could make things right, some people sneer...”
“To pretend that money does not get these needful things is just hideously disingenuous”.

I have to totally disagree with your premise. Life can be hard and brutal. Though tragic, being sexually abused is just another life experience. You try to understand, forgive, learn and move on. This is empathy.

Believing you need “Intensive psychotherapy” just because you were sexually abused is very discouraging and disempowering. Ceding your “recovery” to the powers and authority of the judicial system is also discouraging and disempowering. Talk about fallacy!

I confess (father I have sinned) that I have not delved into the writings of George Weigel so I can pass no judgment.

Besides the Catholic Church, pedophilia is alive and well in all aspects of society: schools, youth organizations etc, etc… The larger and more bureaucratic the infected institution is, the harder it will be to weed out the wicked. Should the Catholic Church be held liable for their misdeeds? Absolutely! Will this give victims any true solace? Absolutely not, though hopefully it will prevent future abuse!

Bottom line is we need to drill down to the root cause of this aberrant behavior, and only then can we have a true understanding.

e

Posted by: e. | Jun 22, 2010 4:13:40 AM

e., you sound kind of like an outlier, as abuse survivors go, and that's good -- for you. There is however an enormous literature on the subject to tell you how atypical you are. I wouldn't dream of suggesting what "should" work in your case -- I just hope your fast track to recovery is all you need it to be.

I disagree with you that the bottom line is discovering the root cause of pedophilia, thereby achieving "a true understanding." I believe that's like saying alcoholism needs to be fully understood before drunk driving can begin to be addressed. You can set up enormous barriers to drunk driving, and undertake massive re-eduction of the sober people who tend to enable it, all while having no final answer to the problem of why it exists. In countries where this has been done, there is much less truly preventable carnage on the highways.

Also, to remark that pedophilia infects all large, bureaucratic institutions, with logic suggesting that there simply HAS to be some in the big, bureaucratic Catholic Church, is, to my ear, inane, and about as compelling as the observation that employee theft plagues all mega-retailers. The problem here is that the foxes are guarding the hen-house -- that middle and and even upper management, plus large numbers of security personnel, are discovered to be boosting merchandise -- not that institutions that are vast enough necessarily contain wrongdoers of all stripes.

Finally, e., I would ask you to consider whether your personal journey allows you to be -- with any authority -- prescriptive as to what will bring true solace to people who are not you. Maybe you would settle for being inspirational? Good luck in all matters.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 22, 2010 10:47:23 AM

Norman, thank you for the lovely verses. Though I don't believe in goddesses any more than I believe in gods, that's not the point.
These verses, with their invocation of light and community point the way to remedies needed. The exposure of these crimes to the light of day, the love and support for those who've been attacked, must resolve to the prevention of them by the will of the community. Money, indeed, is not itself an answer, but as Elatia pointed out, therapy isn't free.
I think it's just as important to pierce the internality of the Church, its relative autonomy, possibly prosecute it under the RICO law as a criminal conspiracy. The community has indeed been lax in enforcing scrutiny over many institutions, foster care being another, and actually parenting, which, like the church was once thought inviolate; only recently have children's rights been enforceable against their parents, and it's still a murky area of law.
I also want to say that e's experience is not to be written off. I know another 'survivor' of child sex abuse who is like him. And I'm not sure if forgiveness is even the right word for this person's attitude, rather, it seems that blame was never internalized in the first place.
It makes me think of the African-Americans I've known, and the way they have risen above hatred and dread of white people in so many cases. At least they are free of the 'sin' of racism, and the pain of a never-atoned-for-crime.
This is a hard lesson to learn, but it is true that when someone wrongs you they may never regret it, and if you are forever tied to that recompense, the crime is ongoing, the malefactor still holds sway. It's to be wished for for all victims, but remedies from the community must help to ease that. It's not the responsibility of the wronged person to make him- or herself whole.

Posted by: Alice de Tocqueville | Jun 22, 2010 3:15:45 PM

Alice, as always, you make some very good points. It would be interesting to know just how "wrong" priests who rape children, or tamper with them in any other way that steals their innocence, think their actions are. Perhaps they are in deep denial about these being bad actions. Decades ago, I read that some Catholic school girls framed the abortion issue thusly: birth control pills = 27 sins in a row; abortion = 1 sin. Double-vision like this simplifies issues sufficiently to befog their moral weight, and enable decisions that are otherwise hard to defend. Perhaps rapist-priests look on themselves as misunderstood, prone merely to harmless forms of release that happen to be illegal, but that are not wrong.

Regarding e., there's so much one can't know or guess. I just want to wish him the best with his own form of self-repair.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 22, 2010 4:10:42 PM

Elatia, I would like to thank you on reading and responding to my post.

As long as our species exist, there will always be sexual predators among us just like there will always be drunk drivers among us.

Society and/or communities need to due whatever they can to reduce and mitigate these tragic behaviors. Unfortunately they will never totally disappear. They are part of our biology.

I myself have also gone through the trauma of an alcohol related vehicle accident of my own making and maybe that experience has helped me deal with my childhood sexual abuse.

Solutions? I’m not sure. I’m in the process of trying to learn and understand through my suffering how I might be able to apply my experiences to both help current victims and identify and prevent future abuse. This will be a new role for me. Children are our future and I believe we should take extraordinary care in their well being.

Just because an organization is infected with this hideous disease does not make it bad. Humans will always have to deal with the good and the bad. Even though I am now an atheist, I was raised a Catholic and for a time the Church gave me great comfort. The church (religion) also gives great comfort to many, many people. Don’t take this away. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water - but the seriousness of problem needs to be better addressed.

Your friend,

e

Posted by: e. | Jun 22, 2010 4:11:30 PM


Alice de Tocqueville,

Thank you very much. One thing I have learned in six and one-half years of watching, listening to, and conversing with therapists and survivors of trauma is that effective therapies are only recently being invented.

Judith Hermann MD, her colleagues, their students, and those they have trained have largely been responsible, though not exclusively, for getting the healing professions on track. The result has been the development of therapies appropriate for child and adult victims of sexual violence and manipulation.

I'm glad you were able to go 'beyond belief' and appreciate the goddess verses, above. The community invoked in these verses include Father and Mother, Lord and Lady, Brother and Sister.

Here's a link to a 'quick study guide' treating trauma victims. You can see the importance of community to the process of healing, recovery, and integration.

http://www.uic.edu/classes/psych/psych270/PTSD.htm

Here's another link to an interview with Judith Herman. You can view the video or read the transcript. Her description of the life of an abused Muslim woman was instructive on the necessity of a caring faith community for healing, recovery, and integration.

http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people/Herman/herman-con0.html

[Judith Hermann, MD, is Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Harvard Medical School, and Director of Training at the Victims of Violence Program at Cambridge Hospital. She is the author of "Trauma and Recovery: The aftermath of violence - from domestic abuse to political terror."]

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 22, 2010 4:53:08 PM


e,

I think you have found the start of a caring community among friends of 3Quarksdaily.com. Please include me as one of them.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 22, 2010 5:08:28 PM

e., I'm a little worried about you, and have been since your first comment, way upstream, in which you wrote:

"This article gives me a very, very strong feeling that the author has his own agenda which he may or may not know, much like the sexual abuser. Costa’s agenda is definitely NOT the welfare of the sexually abused."

That's quite a sound byte, e. Maybe some people will read no further, huh? Fighting words, yet they have been greeted by mildness and logic. If anyone disagrees with the points you make, they do so respectfully, in light of your history and the fact that you have only recently begun to "work through" your abuse. But I want to look again at the points you make and the themes you sound. As follows:

"Money will never buy healing, only prolong suffering."

"Recovery? There is nothing to recover… I have no regrets; my abuse is part of who I am part of my complexity good, bad or indifferent. Healing comes with time, forgiveness being the first step."

"Believing you need 'intensive psychotherapy' just because you were sexually abused is very discouraging and disempowering. Ceding your 'recovery' to the powers and authority of the judicial system is also discouraging and disempowering. Talk about fallacy!"

"Besides the Catholic Church, pedophilia is alive and well in all aspects of society: schools, youth organizations etc, etc… The larger and more bureaucratic the infected institution is, the harder it will be to weed out the wicked. Should the Catholic Church be held liable for their misdeeds? Absolutely! Will this give victims any true solace? Absolutely not, though hopefully it will prevent future abuse!"

"Just because an organization is infected with this hideous disease does not make it bad. Humans will always have to deal with the good and the bad. Even though I am now an atheist, I was raised a Catholic and for a time the Church gave me great comfort. The church (religion) also gives great comfort to many, many people. Don’t take this away. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water - but the seriousness of problem needs to be better addressed."

Now, e. -- you profess ignorance of what George Weigel has to say, but you echo his argument with striking accuracy. It's a carefully articulated argument in which faint concessions are made that the Church is in some way answerable for the crimes of its priests, and for the cover-up of those crimes, and for the retention and promotion of rapist priests, but that financial settlements to the victims of these priests will avail nothing but the destruction of the Church, and will address none of the real woes of its victims. This is the Vatican apologist argument, e. -- can you be unaware of it, and yet articulate it so well?

In addition, you describe a journey to wholeness that makes you something of an anomaly among adults who were sexually abused in childhood. You appear to be integrating your abuse very fast and without expensive help -- this leads you to suggest that the woes of others are pathologized more than they are treated by medical intervention, and that legal redress is disempowering and fallacious. You repeat several times that forgiveness is the starting point, not one of several endpoints that may characterize recovery. You say you are now an atheist, but a honey-tongued Vatican shill could not make the Church's case more superbly than you are doing here.

In fact, you recycle talking points more than you engage substantively with what people have to say. Your every point resolves in the Vatican's favor. I don't want to accuse you of being other than as you represent yourself here, e. -- but I do believe you're thinking boilerplate, and would be much better off if you thought for yourself.

I am terribly sorry if I have implied anything base about your motives in participating here -- but as the commenter whose first salvo was a suggestion that the writer of the post had an agenda that "he may or may not know, much like the sexual abuser," you will be prompt in understanding that your motives matter to me.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 22, 2010 9:26:55 PM

Well, It is up to me to have compassion for my religious friends.
If it wasn't enough to have their minds colonized and enslaved, their bodies are subject to abuse also, with guilt and feed back to the enslaved mind.
When will we stand up to these replicators?

Posted by: Dave Ranning | Jun 22, 2010 10:30:51 PM

Of the many fine observations here, one of the best, for me, was the following:

"This is a hard lesson to learn, but it is true that when someone wrongs you they may never regret it, and if you are forever tied to that recompense, the crime is ongoing, the malefactor still holds sway. It's to be wished for for all victims, but remedies from the community must help to ease that. It's not the responsibility of the wronged person to make him- or herself whole."

By Alice de Tocqueville

I'm glad I came across this incredible thread. Now I'm going back to read the rest. Interesting subplot regarding e.

Posted by: Sarah Kleman | Jun 22, 2010 10:48:24 PM

Coming back to this after a hard day's pruning and watering a garden, I want to thank Elatia for standing up for Norman Costa. I only know Norman from his comments and postings here, but I didn't mean to let pass the accusation he made at Norman's motives. I want to say that I don't believe there is anything to that, indeed, I couldn't understand what would prompt a comment like that.

Posted by: Alice de Tocqueville | Jun 22, 2010 11:44:16 PM


I received the following comment from R, who emailed it ealier today. R had technical problems posting, and asked me to do the honors.

-->> START <<--

First, e has a made a very important point that it seems everyone has missed. It is IMPERATIVE that survivors of child abuse of any kind know that they are not DEFINED by that abuse and that they are NOT ruined by it. Saying that someone who was mistreated as a child ipso facto is mentally ill and in need of treatment does just that!

Remember that a proper discussion of the effects of child abuse recognizes that it is necessary to balance some survivors’ need to move on with others’ need for therapy. We must consider carefully that just because someone wants to move on does not mean she or he is in denial. It may be a simply realistic assessment of where that person is on the journey to self-respect and good health.

Second, we should not be surprised to see a lack of understanding of clinical issues on the part of the Catholic clergy. They are not trained clinicians. Indeed, they clearly do not receive enough training in pastoral counseling, an oversight that really could and should be corrected.

Third, I find the statements by professional Catholics that the issue is about the spiritual well being of the offenders quite completely unsurprising. Come on, people! What do you expect of an organization that has a history of torturing and murdering people (alleged Witches) to save their souls? Condoning physical and mental torture and discussing it in terms of metaphysical concepts is what the Catholic Church DOES! Hello? Think of all those martyrs!

Finally, although I have tried not to, I cannot resist taking a few gratuitous pot shots at a religion whose only vaguely feminine deity is a ghost, a virgin, or a mother. Where is the wise old woman? In addition, demanding life-long celibacy is ridiculous. However, it is to be expected, I suppose, of a religion that denies not only the sanctity of this world (tolerating heinous pollution thereof), but also denies the sanctity of our human bodies, and our sexuality. FEH! Is it any wonder that they have spent centuries making a mess of things?

R

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Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 23, 2010 12:32:58 AM


Sarah Kleman,

Welcome to the discussion. I, too, was moved by the same quote from Alice de Tocqueville. Tell your friends.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 23, 2010 1:04:55 AM

R, I agree with you -- but your points are not the points that e. made. They are the points that you made.

For me to assert that e.'s description of coming to terms with abuse set him at some distance from the experience of most survivors whom I have read about is not the same as saying the trajectory is, or should be, the same for all. That I can determine, no one here has said that abuse in childhood must be the defining experience of childhood, or of adulthood, either. There probably are trauma survivors who don't have medical and psychiatric issues, too -- but who has suggested that those who do have them are somehow ruined? (Other than the Vatican, that is.)

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 23, 2010 1:37:54 AM

Ok folks…

This has turned into something more than I bargained for. It has been helpful, this is still unfolding, but it’s time for me to go.

Thanks,

eric whitney

Posted by: e. | Jun 23, 2010 3:11:57 AM


e,

CPR health reporter?

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 23, 2010 4:36:30 AM

Hey Norman, Thanks for your well-thought post that accurately describes the additional pain priest abuse victims are dealt by the denials, excuses, and minimizations by church apologists. (including the Pope) I am a survivor of priest abuse that occurred when I was eleven. I am now more disgusted and angered by the gross negligence of church officials AND by their outrageous responses to the disclosure of the facts than what the criminal priest did!
I write a blog and also commented extensively in a six part series about Benedict's trip to America. Here is the post about the D.C. mass if you would be willing to share.

APRIL 17, 2009
Anniversary of Pope Coming to America - Day 3

April 17, 2008

by David Fortwengler

Once again, the sun rose to reveal another “heavenly” day in our Nations Capital. Man I love that city. The city’s Metro (one of the world’s great subways) opened early to transport the Faithful to the brand new Nationals Stadium for a Papal Mass. The morning press excitedly repeated three words from the Pope’s statement to Bishops the previous evening, “sometimes handled poorly”, as if there had been some sort of scolding or acknowledgment of wrongdoing. Chris Matthews actually had another tingle in his leg.

Did he know we were watching?

I wonder how many victims from across the country stayed home from work to watch that day, feeling the same anxiety I was. The greatest thing about survivors, I know I wasn’t alone in front of the TV that morning. We were all wondering the same thing, “Will the Pope have a message for me?”.

What did he say?

I thought if the Pope really wanted to make a statement, he would have asked Father Thomas Doyle to give the homily, but I guess he wasn’t available. The Pope once again began by noting the rich history, growth, and contributions of American Catholicism. He then spoke of the need to re-affirm fidelity with Church teachings, and offered gratitude and encouragement to those pursuing Vatican II. Then in Paragraph 10, in the context of hope born of God’s love and fidelity, he mentioned it.

In summary, he acknowledged the pain the Church has experienced, can’t describe the damage within the community of the Church, has already spoken with the bishops about their great job dealing fairly and honestly with this tragic situation, has no words to describe the pain from being sexually abused as a child, and he assigns the task of fostering healing and reconciliation to lay Catholics.

I realized my cleansing breaths were not keeping up with the negative stimuli. Maybe I will try switching from Pepto to Immodium.

Inspired by the ballpark backdrop, competition came into play during “communion watch”. Knowing what “fidelity to church teachings in public life” really means, cameras scanned the crowd for pro-choice Catholic politicians. It was much too nice a day for anyone to be rude. Final score, Politicians 100 - Clergy 0

Fun Facts
Watching the Mass at the new ballpark, I couldn’t help but remember the last time I attended a baseball game in Washington. It was September 30th, 1971, the Washington Senators final game before being moved to Texas to become the Rangers.
“With the Senators leading 7–5 and two outs in the top of the ninth inning, several hundred youths stormed the field, raiding it for souvenirs. With the grass ripped up and first base pilfered, umpire crew chief Jim Honochick forfeited the game to the New York Yankees 9–0.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Senators_(1961-1971)

Oh, what a memory! And no, I was not allowed on the field. I will always remember the owners quote as he was leaving town, “They are not the Washington Senators, they are Bob Short’s Senators”. At an early age I learned that pro sports was just a business. I know, just get over it.
So now almost 37 years later, baseball has returned to Washington and the sparkling new stadium is christened by a Papal Mass. Oh well. Obviously, it’s not abuse, but it did bum me out.
http://www.catholicnews.com/papalvisit/
It is in the context of this hope born of God’s love and fidelity that I acknowledge the pain which the Church in America has experienced as a result of the sexual abuse of minors. No words of mine could describe the pain and harm inflicted by such abuse. It is important that those who have suffered be given loving pastoral attention. Nor can I adequately describe the damage that has occurred within the community of the Church. Great efforts have already been made to deal honestly and fairly with this tragic situation, and to ensure that children – whom our Lord loves so deeply (cf. Mk 10:14), and who are our greatest treasure – can grow up in a safe environment. These efforts to protect children must continue. Yesterday I spoke with your Bishops about this. Today I encourage each of you to do what you can to foster healing and reconciliation, and to assist those who have been hurt. Also, I ask you to love your priests, and to affirm them in the excellent work that they do. And above all, pray that the Holy Spirit will pour out his gifts upon the Church, the gifts that lead to conversion, forgiveness and growth in holiness.

Posted by: David Fortwengler | Jun 23, 2010 7:44:28 AM

Ok, I’m back… I need to clear some things up…

“e,
CPR health reporter?”

Norman, wrong Eric Whitney, I’m Eric C. Whitney and live in Nevada. That was irresponsible to make that post.

Elitia, your post totally blind sided me and left me stunned. I’m still working through my feelings, and your reply just made me feel exposed and vulnerable. At least now I have a better understanding of these feelings.

“Now, e. -- you profess ignorance of what George Weigel has to say, but you echo his argument with striking accuracy. It's a carefully articulated argument in which faint concessions are made that the Church is in some way answerable for the crimes of its priests, and for the cover-up of those crimes, and for the retention and promotion of rapist priests, but that financial settlements to the victims of these priests will avail nothing but the destruction of the Church, and will address none of the real woes of its victims. This is the Vatican apologist argument, e. -- can you be unaware of it, and yet articulate it so well?”

I am not here to defend the Catholic Church. As I said I know nothing of George Weigel except what I have read in Norman’s article and the following posts. I used to be quit hostile towards the Church after I lost my faith. I have let this hostility go as I have all of my life time hostilities. I can not explain why or if my arguments have similar tones to the Vatican’s. All feelings and opinion I have expressed are my own.

I am trying to understand myself, why I seem to de defensive about the Church. I believe it has to do with my suffering and looking for comfort. As I understand my suffering better, I understand what gives me and others comfort. As I said earlier, for a time the church gave me great comfort. It also gives great comfort to many, many people. Though I strongly feel this is false comfort because I don’t believe in god it is comfort none the less. I guess I’m lucky because I have my own strong spirituality without having to resort to gods and or goddesses or religion.

Your friend,

e.

Posted by: eric c. whitney | Jun 23, 2010 2:01:46 PM

Eric, thanks for coming back by. I am very sorry to have contributed to your distress. My observations were not accusations, there being a big difference between "It sounds like..." and "You are...," and I believe I was measured in what I said, but if it resulted in shock and unease for you, then I am sad to know it, and sorry my words brought about that effect.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Jun 23, 2010 4:27:59 PM

Dr Costa,
Thank You for your very prceptive writing.
I was sexually molested at 15 by a Catholic priest.
My case is possibly unique an may be interesting.
Recovered memory after 39 years and protesting now 12 years at the Vatican embassy in Washington, DC
Of interest also the vile response of the Church.
I have two web-sites
sorrypope.com
vaticanhidespedophiles.com
limted time at the library(Mon-Thu & Sat)
PLEASE CONTACT ME

Posted by: John Wojnowski | Jun 24, 2010 1:45:47 PM


John Wojnowski,

Thank you for your comment, and for reading my article. I read all of your postings on your websites, and looked at all of your links.

I am very, very sorry about the abuse you suffered by a Catholic priest. The repression of your abuse for 39 years, while not uncommon, is a testimony to the level of horror you experienced. I can't say enough about your personal and moral courage in protesting for so long outside the Washington Nunciature. Too, I can't say enough about the sociopaths, narcissists, sycophants, toadies, and spineless ninnies in the Nunciature (and other Catholic clergy) who have assailed, and insulted you outside their doors.

Unfortunately, your abuse, repression, suffering, and re-traumatizing by the Church are not unique. Your one-man protest, however, is unlike anything I have seen.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 24, 2010 5:59:00 PM


David Fortwengler,

Thank you for reading my article and sharing your own comments about the Pope's visit to the United States.

"I am a survivor of priest abuse that occurred when I was eleven. I am now more disgusted and angered by the gross negligence of church officials AND by their outrageous responses to the disclosure of the facts than what the criminal priest did!"

I am so sorry that you had to endure the abuse of a Catholic priest. No one can fully understand, I am sure, except another who has experienced this devastation.

The perverted irony is that the anger and disgust that you and other victims of clergy abuse project, become the excuse for the clergy to adopt the role of victim for themselves. They reject and demonize people like you and John Wojtowski for manifesting the very effects of clergy sexual manipulation, abuse, and brutality.

Catholic clergy victimize children, and then blame them for victimizing the clergy, when the clergy, themselves, are confronted with the disgust and anger of the real victims.

As with John Wojnowski, if you don't tell your story, no one else will. Good luck to you.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 24, 2010 6:21:14 PM

I wish everyone would consider this: the behavior of the Professional Catholics is really little different from the behavior of other abuse perpetrators. Abusing dads act much the same way. Really, I think that is a very important point and one that people keep missing, missing, missing!

S.O.P. is for the abuser to DENY the abuse and DISCREDIT the tattler (word chosen quite deliberately, thank you). The victim is PUNISHED for speaking by BEING IGNORED, having LOVE WITHHELD, being ATTACKED, and being the object of RAGE. Then the victims are told it is their own fault, they asked for it. (Our culture usually tells raped women this.) Thus, the victim's understanding of reality is undermined. Victims are punished for being tempting. (This is something the Catholic Church is VERY GOOD AT!) Next, victims are told that no harm was actually done them. Finally, victims are told to forgive the abusers. (The Catholic Church is also big on this turn the other cheek stuff, remember?) Abusive dads do this stuff day in day out, all the time. Why do you expect the Professional Catholics to differ from that agenda?

Posted by: R | Jun 24, 2010 9:08:40 PM


R,

Thanks for drawing out, explicitly, the common responses of an abuser Dad (could be any abuser, but your comparison, here, is warranted) with "Professional Catholics." My term would be the hierarchical clergy. Let me know if your term means more than that.

It is no surprise to me, and many of the readers, that these destructive and hurtful responses continue to this day.

It is documentary proof that, like the abuser Dad, the hierarchical Church CANNOT discern their own aping of the literal sex abuser's demeanor, attitudes, reactions, and behaviors even if they are not literal sex abusers, themselves.

This speaks to the character of many in the hierarchical church that can only be described as sociopathic, narcissistic (including acquired situational narcissism), stunted emotional development, and psychological immaturity. This has been observed and described in Catholic hierarchical clergy for decades.

It appears you have a lot to say, and I hope you will stay with us, and contribute throughout this series.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Jun 24, 2010 10:40:17 PM

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