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February 24, 2010

How Christian Were the Founders?

Russell Shorto in the New York Times Magazine:

ScreenHunter_06 Feb. 24 09.15 There was a religious element to the American Revolution, which was so pronounced that you could just as well view the event in religious as in political terms. Many of the founders, especially the Southerners, were rebelling simultaneously against state-church oppression and English rule. The Connecticut Baptists saw Jefferson — an anti-Federalist who was bitterly opposed to the idea of establishment churches — as a friend. “Our constitution of government,” they wrote, “is not specific” with regard to a guarantee of religious freedoms that would protect them. Might the president offer some thoughts that, “like the radiant beams of the sun,” would shed light on the intent of the framers? In his reply, Jefferson said it was not the place of the president to involve himself in religion, and he expressed his belief that the First Amendment’s clauses — that the government must not establish a state religion (the so-called establishment clause) but also that it must ensure the free exercise of religion (what became known as the free-exercise clause) — meant, as far as he was concerned, that there was “a wall of separation between Church & State.”

This little episode, culminating in the famous “wall of separation” metaphor, highlights a number of points about teaching religion in American history. For one, it suggests — as the Christian activists maintain — how thoroughly the colonies were shot through with religion and how basic religion was to the cause of the revolutionaries.

More here.

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Religion may be appropriate for consenting adults, but we need to protect the children.
Children in danger

Posted by: Dave Ranning | Feb 24, 2010 12:27:00 PM


It's a long article, but good and well written. Read it. It's important to know the enemy. They don't give up.

I used to tell my friends, during the Reagan years, that if they wanted to understand current politics, they had to listen to Pat Robertson, Jim Hagee, Jerry Falwell, and the fundamentalist Christian right, in general. Almost all of them dismissed my suggestion. "Did you watch these guys?" they asked me. "Damn right I do," I answered. "And I know more about what's ahead in American politics that you."

They seconded their disinterest with a remark about who would be so stupid to take these people seriously. I told them lots of people take this seriously. The answer was usually, "Then they are all stupid."

In my opinion, it was even more stupid to ignore them.

Posted by: Norman Costa | Feb 24, 2010 5:36:03 PM

Russell Shorto is a very compelling writer, very knowledgeable about the Flushing Remonstrance and other calls for freedom and tolerance in the Island at the Center of the World.


Russell Shorto

For more on Barton, et al. distortions, see Chris Rodda's work on Liars for Jesus at
www.talktoaction.org

Posted by: Louise Gordon | Feb 24, 2010 8:29:08 PM

Then, of course, there is this:
More faith-based evil

Cults are all about control, and small children must be very hard to control.

The leader of a religious cult was "outraged" when a 1-year-old boy did not say "Amen" before a meal and ordered her followers to deprive him of food and water until he died, a Baltimore prosecutor told jurors Monday.

Another horrifying detail: the mother of the boy went along with the punishment and watched him waste away…all because she wanted to be accepted as a member of the cult.

Posted by: Dave Ranning | Feb 24, 2010 11:50:13 PM

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