March 09, 2009
The Kitsch Instinct: A Letter to Denis Dutton
by Asad Raza
Denis Dutton is the author of The Art Instinct.
Dear Professor Dutton,
Thanks for agreeing to read this; your generosity is much appreciated. Your book is wide-ranging and compendious, so I'll confine my remarks to three topics: landscape painting, Austen's Pride and Prejudice, and Duchamp's Fountain. One thing I am not very interested in, I will say up front, is replaying another of the confrontations that have marked so many discussions of the application of Darwinian ideas to higher human functioning (think: Eagleton v. Dawkins). Those antagonisms, in my opinion, are much more symptomatic of a two-cultures clash than of any useful disagreement, and, worse, they prevent any meaningful conversation: each side simply rejects the other tout court. I hope to avoid the aggrieved and defensive tone of such confrontations. I will, however, try to speak my mind as clearly as I can, with the object of a generative exchange, rather than a head butt.
I'll start with the thing that confused me most about the book: I thought it would be more scientific. As you know, Darwinians are often charged with coming up with only quasi-plausible stories about the Pleistocene Era origins of some human behavior and asserting them without any evidence: "Just So Stories," after Kipling. I assumed you would attempt to counter this by basing your observations on universal tendencies in art-making (if there be any such). Your first chapter cites a survey finding that human beings are attracted to a certain type of landscape, which you point out resembles the most habitable savanna landscapes of the Pleistocene: "a landscape with trees and open areas, water, human figures, and animals." You hypothesize that people are attracted to such landscapes innately, and that is why calendars tend to feature them. When we are pleased by such a landscape, you conclude magisterially, "we confront remnants of our species' ancient past."
It seems to me that two problems occur here. First, this is a classic Just So story: you present no genetic evidence for this affinity for savanna landscapes. A love of sunsets and sunrises seems equally popular around the world; let's say I argue that that is an innate preference. You might reply that your landscape is the best one for human habitation--hunting and shelter and running water and so on--and thus a preference for it would be an adaptive advantage. I might reply that the preference for sunsets and sunrises confers an advantage because those times have a heightened importance, as periods in which the sun signals that one should plan for the coming day or ready oneself for the fall of night, as a great but short time to hunt and fish, etc., etc. A third person comes along and says, "You're both being silly. Both preferences are obviously adaptive. That's why there are so many beautiful paintings of landscapes at sunset and sunrise!" In the absence of evidence, we are left with a contest of who has the more compelling anecdote. This is not the scientific method.
The second problem has to do with the identification of landscape painting with universal pleasure. Obviously, some landscape painting is meant to be beautiful and thus pleasurable, especially in European painting between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries. But just because this particular genre of painting (lasting only ten generations or so) has some analogues in Eastern painting does not establish, to my satisfaction at least, that humans innately take pleasure in such pictures. To the contrary, most forms of painting, including that which decorates the caves in Lascaux, do not depict perspectival landscapes. Also, much landscape painting does not produce pleasure but fear and awe (think of Friedrich, or Turner). Isn't it just as likely that landscapes with a certain perspective view, from high ground, with sublime natural features such as high mountains at a safe distance, but with an enticingly serpentine river or path winding from foreground to background, producing a sense of exploration and travel, became popular when they did for historical reasons? And, having become popular, were later spread around the world, after technologies for the mass reproduction of images were invented, in the lowbrow form of calendars? Finally, even if you had a strong scientific case as to why humans take pleasure in looking at certain kinds of landscapes, that doesn't explain why paintings of such landscapes have at some times in some places been considered art, which does not mean simply pleasurable things--what you are arguing for (a love of calendar landscapes) might be better called "The Kitsch Instinct."
Before I go on, let me point out here that I am not a social constructionist, at least not in the radical sense. I do not object a priori to the idea of innate human faculties, the way that friends of mine who are based in the literary humanities do. When a study appears theorizing that women are more attracted to the colors red and pink than men, on the basis of their role in the Pleistocene era as berry-gatherers, I don't think, "Absurd! Absolutely impossible!", I think, "Wouldn't it be amazing if that were true? I'm skeptical." In fact, it was this kind of theorem that I thought would undergird your book's claims about human art-making. The difficulty and challenge of a Darwinian account of art, I thought, would be to give an account of how extremely simple kinds of preferences, such as those for color or contrast, are utilized in extremely complex works of art. Just as there are many steps in between establishing our predilection for sugar and fat, and the appreciation of a dessert by Ferran Adria (who is also a kind of artist), so there must be many between liking red berries and Georgia O'Keefe's Single Lily with Red.
Moving on to your treatment of fiction, I did not find this kind of subtlety. Instead, I was surprised by how unspecific your remarks on Pride and Prejudice were--first, you mention that it functions as a kind of guide to the variety of people and how they behave. The members of the Bennet family demonstrate that dull people make dull judgments (Mary), opportunistic people make opportunistic ones (Mrs. Bennet), and intelligent people make intelligent ones (Elizabeth). Okay, sure, but this hardly seems the most interesting thing happening in Austen: this is the case in hundreds of novels of manners. (It's Austen's suppleness of voice, her "free, indirect" way of slipping into and out of each character, new in her time but old-hat in ours, that accounts for her importance in the history of the development of English prose styles--but whoops, that's a historical argument.)
Later, you use Austen's novel to show the folly of the intentional fallacy, suggesting that it is a display of human virtuosity that requires that we impute an author by whom to be impressed: "it is impossible for any sophisticated, informed reader of English to read her novel without feeling twinges of admiration for her extraordinary skill and style. Our intense interest in artistic skill, as well as the pleasure that it gives us, will not be denied: it is an extension of innate, spontaneous Pleistocene values, feelings, and attitudes." This statement raises a huge question for me: why do you need Austen? Why "Art," at all? If all you are trying to prove is that we humans have an innate admiration for people who do things well, you have said nothing specific about Austen's book, or about art-making as distinct from weight-lifting, or snake-charming.
Incidentally, if ever there was a book crying out for interpretation along Darwinian lines, it's Pride and Prejudice. The novel is about the nineteenth-century marriage market. Its plot concerns which men will court Elizabeth, which man she will choose, how she will best maximize her own attractions (primarily wit, since the novel is explicit about her being more plain than beautiful), should she even bother to get married, what an asshole that guy Darcy is! In the end, she feels a primal rush of feeling for this asshole, who happens to have a large fortune and a massive estate (perhaps with a landscape view offering the sense of control and dominance that people were attracted to in those days...), which sweeps aside her misgivings and sees her installed as the lady of an enormous house. I would have thought you could have had a field day teasing out various interesting Darwinian strands here. Instead, you chose to use Austen as an example of human admiration for virtuosos, which admiration you claim is an innate Pleistocene feeling that comes from sexual selection, i.e. the need to impress others, in order to find a mate and reproduce. And you make this point using a virtuoso who happens to be the most famous English novelist in history to have died unmarried and childless! I have to say, it's this kind of thing that gets the literary types chortling.
I have a final point to address, which is about what I consider to be the unscientific, partial nature of your book. This has to do with your own distaste for aesthetic modernism, to which you allude over and over. Surely a scientific account that values objectivity should not reject conceptual art, which has dominated the last century of art-making, but seek to expand its definition of art in recognition of the important place such art practices have achieved in our time--otherwise you are prioritizing your personal preferences over social reality. Instead, you give reasons why such works are nominally art but do not fully qualify under your scheme. Your stated reason for this is that you do not wish to attempt to define art by reference to "marginal cases" such as Duchamp's urinal, Fountain, yet despite this caveat, you seem unable to resist dismissing modernist experimentation and end your section on Duchamp with a contemptuous account of Piero Manzoni's Merda d'Artista, his notorious cans of his own shit.
You write that Duchamp's Fountain is "anti-art," or an "art-theoretical gesture," rather than art, because it reverses many of the principles that you claim define what a work of art is. Yet I think you haven't thought about Fountain closely enough--for instance, you claim that Fountain is not a "direct source of pleasure," since it is merely a "disagreeable piece of plumbing." Isn't part of the point of Fountain that it is a sculptural shape, all the more striking because it is an object used for the "lowest" form of human activity? Your view of most "art intellectuals" is that they are "incapable of appreciating [the readymade's] wit or [Duchamp's] irony." But isn't it precisely the opposite? Don't most admirers of Fountain appreciate it because of its humor, because its succinct reversal of high and low strikes a blow at bourgeois high seriousness and the idea that an appeal to sentimental, "exalted" emotions is the goal of art?
The idea that in the most abject regions of human experience, the regions of piss and shit, we can still find a curvaceous sculptural shape is an insight. You might even postulate that Duchamp's piece makes use of a possibly innate human revulsion towards urine and feces in order to perform an expansion of the field of art, using the trope of reversal. This is why he turns the urinal on its back--to render it useless, and thus art according to Kant's definition--and this is why he names it Fountain--a deliberate reversal of its usual function as the receptacle for human "fountains." (The title, by the way, is an important part of the work.) Yet you seem to have missed all this in your insistence that the object is simply "disagreeble."
Perhaps much more of the meaning of Duchamp's work, Professor Dutton, is to be grasped through history rather than in our pre-historical genetic inheritance. Perhaps his work is a response to the age of mechanical production, when beautiful objects can be mass-produced by machines, robbing them of their connection to human virtuosity and the touch of the master artisan's hand. Perhaps the rise of exhibitions of art themselves, as a large institutional reality beginning about fifty years before Duchamp, is a precondition for the work his readymades do. Perhaps these developments bring forth a new kind of artist, who is revealed as someone whose works begin to comprehend and conceptualize modern conditions, even to satirize--not an unheard of function in art--while demonstrating mastery of form. You seem not to have considered why so many take real pleasure in Duchamp's work, and the humor it contains, in your rush to prove the transhistorical rules by which you say art must play--even if that means your account must end well short of and even reject the recent past, in order to preserve what, from my vantage, looks like an ungenerous delegation of the status of "art" to only those works that meet your personal fancy.
In the middle of your book, you write "video games do not... much improve on the older kinds of games and fictions, except by the addition of intense visual or virtual-reality effects. (Someday, a video-game version of King Lear may allow players to step into the action, even to save poor Cordelia if they play skillfully enough. Whatever the fun, this will not be an enhancement of Shakespeare.)" To me, this doesn't sound like an open, Darwinian investigator of the full range of human play and art-making. It sounds like the voice of the kind of old-fashioned cultural guardian I associate with certain cranky literature professors. By the way, some very thought-provoking and beautiful art is currently being made out of video games. You might want to check out Cory Arcangel: he limits himself to nothing in his search for new material, and he's having a lot of fun.
all the best,
Asad Raza
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Because I'm gay, I find it ridiculous to reduce all art to a simple desire to procreate. And if I were straight, I imagine I'd find it ridiculous to reduce loving relationships to a simple economy of sexual attraction and repulsion. Sometimes a landscape is just a landscape.
Posted by: blowmg | Mar 9, 2009 11:17:14 AM
"IT is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife."
Sounds downright Darwinian to me...one can only wonder how much of the theory of natural selection was informed by English middle-upper-middle class mating rituals.
Thanks Asad and please let us know what the good professor's response is.
Posted by: Pete Chapman | Mar 9, 2009 11:31:28 AM
Hi Asad,
Thanks for taking the time to articulate in some detail the criticisms you have of Denis's book. Alas, my copy has still not arrived, and while we wait to see if Denis wants to respond to your comments, I thought I'd say a few things that came to my mind:
1) You start by confessing a disappointment that Denis is not more scientific. I am not so sure that this is a powerful objection. He is not doing science; he is interpreting art. The fact that he uses a scientific theory as a starting point to give plausible interpretations doesn't mean these interpretations themselves must be falsifiable or empirically proved, any more than a psychoanalytic, or Marxist interpretation must be. Denis is doing art theory, and the fact that his reading is based on a scientific principle does not make the whole activity science, in my opinion. Just as when Rama proposes possible and plausible neuroscientific reasons for why we sometimes think that things seen through a fog are even more beautiful than otherwise, and then uses this to muse about whether this might have something to do with the success of Impressionism, he is NOT doing science. To ask him to prove that he is right would be to miss the point.
When you say "You present no genetic evidence..." I am not sure what you are asking for. In what would "genetic evidence" consist?
As far as I am concerned, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Just So Stories. They are starting points for discussion and are immedidately weighed for plausibility. I am not so sure why so many people (Robin is one, for example) have such an allergy to them. I find them a useful heuristic in beginning to think about many biological phenomena (not that I am a biologist, but just for my own attempts at understanding living things).
2) I doubt that Denis is claiming that landscapes are the only thing the sight of which brings us pleasure. He might fully consistently agree with your sunrise/sunset theory and say, yeah, sure, that too. In fact, that's why landscapes with sunsets/sunrises are even more popular!
The point being, by pointing out a limited set of tendencies of appreciation, I don't think Denis is ruling out others. You are quite right to say this is not science. I suspect Denis would happily agree.
3)You bring up very convincing historical reasons why landscapes may have spread in cheaply produced calendars and it is for Denis to say whether he thinks the evolutionary tendencies are dominant or more important, and if so, why. But I think his example of pleasure doesn't in any way rule out that fear, awe, etc., and our predilection for exposing ourselves to experiences which evoke these and other emotions, can also have plausible underlying evolutionary interpretations.
4) Yes, the Lascaux caves don't depict perpectival landscapes, but they don't depict a foam dessert by Ferran Adria either. That's because neither had been invented yet. But that shouldn't stop me from using a Darwinian perspective to explain why I ate too many of Adria's concoctions for the same reasons that the people in the caves would have, had they had access to Il Bulli. No?
Saying one thing about a work of art (say that I ate too many of Ferran Adria's desserts because of an evolutionary tendency to try to maximize calories when one can) is not to say that there aren't other things to say about those desserts: historical things, technical things, sociological things, economical things, etc. But these might not be a given person's focus in a given work.
5) Austen's skill as a writer is one aspect of her art. This doesn't mean that our (say evolutionarily based) interest in artistic skill precludes our interest in other kinds of skill, like in weight-lifting. Not sure what you are getting at here...
6) And you make this point using a virtuoso who happens to be the most famous English novelist in history to have died unmarried and childless! I have to say, it's this kind of thing that gets the literary types chortling.
I'll bet it does, but it is a cheap joke. The personal circumstances of a person's life are hardly arguments against the universal obsessions of the species! Jane Austen may not have married, but she certainly discussed it enough to show that she had the same psychological economy as other humans. This is a bit like saying that psychoanalysis won't work on interpreting the work of a nun because she has no sex life! (The fact that I think psychoanalysis is mainly BS is besides the point; this would be no argument against it.)
7) As I keep saying, I have not read the book, but I find very compelling all your objections to Denis's dismissal of various forms of contemporary art. And your unpacking of meaning in Duchamp's Fountain is simply brilliant, I think.
Well, there. I respectfully submit my objections to your objections, sir.
And I really do hope that Denis takes a few minutes to reply to you as well.
Much love,
A
Posted by: Abbas Raza | Mar 9, 2009 12:30:50 PM
Having some interest in evolutionary biology, but not much knowledge about 'Art,' I find this 'book review' and Abbas' objections to Asad's objections fascinating reading. I hope that Dutton will write his own response, to help some of us understand the arguments better. Thank you for starting this very stimulating discussion.
Posted by: Tasnim | Mar 9, 2009 1:15:41 PM
Thanks for this entry. I haven't read The Art Instinct either, but I'm just finishing up The Origin of Species! I’ll just say a couple things about visual art.
I see that the "most wanted" survey paintings of Komar and Melamid happen to be exhibit A in The Art Instinct in support of the idea of innate aesthetic preference. This immediately makes be wary because the pieces are most pleasurable in their conceptual dimension- a creative (mis)use of fact finding machinery and methodical attempt by two individuals to eliminate artistic individuality. Ironically the ideal painting ends up being unrepresentative of the survey that created it and unbeautiful to any representative taker of the survey.
There is a viral "I get it" dimension in much art since Duchamp, as demonstrated here. It seems increasingly frequent that one almost doesn't have to witness the physical work to glean some sort of pleasure. If we can make survey art, surely we can make instruction manual art. But perhaps this not real pleasure..!
Is it that real art should be defined by its ability to reach around our distracted temporalizing cause and effect processing center, and hit us in the reptilian gut (or mind)? If so then, why do we draw a line between the validity of human and animal response? Cats that watch television prefer seeing pictures of birds to Cspan. Is this an aesthetic preference? But art creation and appreciation, it has been said, is one thing that defines the psychology of our species.
The idea of an innate human aesthetic preference presupposes both a definition of 'human' and 'preference'.
About this landscape painting for a second... So there it is, a flat square object. It's in a frame, it’s on the wall, probably eye level-ish. From across the room, maybe from an angle as we enter the door, we see it and we say "oh there's a picture, let's see what it's all about". So we walk over, preparing ourselves to see something. We have general ideas about its format and creation. We get there and there's the valley and the stream and we are happy, because it still kind of managed to trick us! Even though we knew it was a painting, we thought it was real for a second and wanted to step into it. Something like this happened to me with a Monet once. I saw an amazing hyper real light on the painting. I thought a museum light was shining on the from above, distorting the image, so I put my hand up to create a shadow- but lo and behold the light was actually painted on the canvas. The artist outsmarts us, and graciously allows us to catch up and see how they did it. We are attracted to their genius. This is like when my girlfriend and I went on our date and played chess, and I won and she deigned to see me again.
At any rate- there’s also a great pleasure for me in the fact that I can walk away from this painting. I am not in that valley having to look for those fish. Certainly pornography might be statistically "preferred" in some sense over the blue landscape if put to the test, but it does not bestow to the viewer a sense of sovereignty, so it's not seen as art. The landscape painting is pleasurable as much because it is a painting as because it is a landscape.
It's interesting that people all over the world have similar landscapes on their calendars, but maybe its more interesting to see where are the calendars are placed in their houses…
A couple other thoughts that pop to mind on the subject (maybe they've been answered)
1. Regarding art and Darwinism- it might be interesting also to consider the most commonly asked (and admittedly problematic) question that Dawkins gets regarding homosexuality. What does the existence of "gay" art scenes and interpretation mean in the context of Art Instinct? I doubt that the work of these artists would not be viewed as enticing to specific potential mates.
2. It has been observed that those living transmitters of ancient experience- aboriginal story tellers, Homeric style oral historians- experience a degradation of their powers of memorization when they undertake the learning a written language. Is this untrue of visual language which is increasingly 'user created'? Tangentially with the animals- elephants can paint, and they paint abstract shapes.
Also I like the idea about sunsets, but agree Dennis could co-opt it. Could it not be argued that the riding off into the setting sun strikes a chord with our former nomadic disposition? Additionally- the physiological sensation of going towards the light in the moments before death- misfiring synapses, or inherited memories of the species?
Maybe a real test would be to take a wild child/ Kaspar Hauser type to the Louvre.
Thanks
Dillon
Posted by: Dillon | Mar 9, 2009 1:20:53 PM
Asad,
First, this is a classic Just So story: you present no genetic evidence for this affinity for savanna landscapes.
A fair point, but this is a feature of evolutionary psychology, not just of Dutton's work. Think about what would be required for such evidence to exist: we would need to understand exactly which neural mechanisms are responsible for this "affinity", then we'd have to know exactly which genetic sequences are responsible for the creation of these neural mechanisms.
In short, we need a complete theory of the human mind and of how our genes create it. Not only is this wildly beyond our current capacity, it is potentially quixotic. That there is a single such mechanism (a "module" in evopsychian) and that humanity has a single basic genetic sequence responsible for creating it... these ideas are highly contentious and obviously difficult to establish.
Abbas:
As far as I am concerned, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Just So Stories. They are starting points for discussion and are immedidately weighed for plausibility. I am not so sure why so many people (Robin is one, for example) have such an allergy to them. I find them a useful heuristic in beginning to think about many biological phenomena
That an account "explains" some phenomena or another is only extremely weak evidence that the story is true. It is a commonplace that countless stories can explain the same phenomena. So, while everyone can agree that Just So Stories are useful heuristics, evolutionary psychologists often think that because they have a story that "fits", the story is very likely to be true. This conclusion is not only unwarranted, it's a classic instance of a basic logical fallacy (affirming the consequent... A explains B, B is true, therefore A is true).
This is why Asad's proposed "genetic evidence" would be so bloody useful. It would be actual empirical confirmation of a just so story.
Anyway, I'm halfway through Dutton's book and I find myself wishing over and over that he would attend to these very problems. Instead, he cites Pinker/Cosmides/Tooby as though their approach were entirely uncontroversial and proceeds to apply his own version of the approach, never addressing these fundamental issues. I can only hope that his reply to Asad will help, here.
Posted by: Nick Smyth | Mar 9, 2009 2:41:15 PM
In my reading of the book, I found that the author selects those things that are a fit for "evolution" perpective--Jane Austin but not Moby Dick etc.
What is art? anything you can get away with, said Marshall McCluhan.
If we all love landscapes (?) does that recall our harkening back to the deep past or, as has been noted in a lot of Oriental art, man posed against Nature, indicating our part in it, our smallness in the larger scheme of things...I have found among my friends that they live and love being very close to deserts, large bodies of water, or mountains. Something about such grandeur, it seems, puts them at ease without looking back for a tree to climb.
Posted by: fred lapides | Mar 9, 2009 3:10:16 PM
This is a truly excellent post and gets to the heart of the problems with Dutton's book and indeed, his work in general. Dutton is in that peculiar position of being a partisan in a debate (roughly, ev-psych vs. postmodernism), being more-or-less on the correct side, and yet having only a shallow understanding the position he wants so badly to defend.
Abbas Raza writes:
Austen's skill as a writer is one aspect of her art. This doesn't mean that our (say evolutionarily based) interest in artistic skill precludes our interest in other kinds of skill, like in weight-lifting.
No, but to say that we admire Austen because she's skilled as a writer goes precisely nowhere towards explaining what it is to be skilled as a writer.
Posted by: Christopher M | Mar 9, 2009 3:29:46 PM
Alas, all too often they are not the beginning of biological thought, but the end; as Nick notes, the very plausibility of a story is grounds for its acceptance.
You're correct, Abbas, that Dutton is not writing a book of science, but of philosophy of art. Yet even here there is room for more rigor in exposing one's claims to scrutiny before proffering them. A catalog of the unsubstantiated claims in The Art Instinct would run very long, but it, too, might be a "useful heuristic" on how much weight to assign Dutton's ideas.
Posted by: Chris Schoen | Mar 9, 2009 3:44:03 PM
You make an excellent case against the core contentions of Dutton's book, Asad. Thanks.
Certainly human art, in the original sense of the sundry ways in which we transform our natural environment by manipulating it with our hands and tools, is in need of adaptive explanation. But that sliver of this manipulation that has for only the past few centuries been cordoned off in a special category called "art" is dependent for its perceived existence on so many contingencies of recent history that it is entirely implausible to me that accounting for it in terms of the sort of beings we are qua savannah-dwelling primates is going to tell us anything interesting about it.
Posted by: Justin E. H. Smith | Mar 9, 2009 3:44:36 PM
Abbas the analogy to desert eating doesn't work. We know how many calories a twinky has and we know how calories interact with human anatomy. So a "just so" story about scarce resources during life in the Pleistocene era is at least plausible and can at least bear some empirical investigation, counterfactual reasoning and the like. Enjoying painting and/or reading a novel is several large gradations of remove away. Any story about the putative advantages that narrative or visual pleasure might have provided to our stone age ancestors is mere guess work.
Posted by: Jonathan | Mar 9, 2009 4:46:06 PM
I have also not yet read The Art Instinct but I saw Professor Dutton speak about it a little while back and the problem that I was confronted with (which, if it is addressed in the book, I apologize in advance) is the problem that I am always confronted with when faced with certain aspects of evolutionary psychology: the interaction of genes and metaphysics.
Every lecture or book on evolutionary psychology begins with an example such as, “Humans like sweets because in our evolutionary past, we needed calories.” From this plausible and *ahem* palatable appeteizer, the story usually proceeds on to an entrée that is a bit harder to digest. The meat of the argument (sorry-it is lunch time) will involve some facet of our behavior that we view as uniquely human and will tell a story that explains how this characteristic is advantageous and must have arisen through natural or sexual selection and is therefore encoded in our DNA.
In The Art Instinct, Dutton gives as an example the perfect landscape which Asad mentions above. The explanation Dutton gives is entirely plausible and seems to make sense in the same way that chocolate cake makes sense. In some ways, the gap between these two examples seems small- they both deal with preferences and things we find enjoyable at a sensory level. However, I think biologically and conceptually they are quite different. Taste, with respect to eating, involves direct physical interaction between a chemical compound, sucrose for example, and a receptor in the taste buds on your tongue. Taste with respect to aesthetic preferences, is an entirely different story. Before we can talk about visual preferences, we have to talk about visual perception, and here is where the major difference seems to lie. Whereas there is a receptor for sugar, there is no receptor for curving stream heading towards the horizon. If there is no receptor for that stimuli, then our perception of it must require higher-order processing.
To me it seems that, in order for an interaction between an individual and its environment to be selected for, the interacting partners must precede the interaction because they must be written in the genes. This is true for sweetness because there are protein receptors encoded by the genes that specifically recognize sugar molecules. However, If we can agree that there is not a receptor for “stream” in a physical protein sense, then we must mean that the “stream” that is written in the genes is a higher-order one. The concept of “stream” must exist as a mental construct before the perception of an actual physical stream. The very ethereal platonic form would have to be written in the very physical stuff of DNA. I do not see how this could be the case, but if it were, that would seem to me to be by far the most interesting implication of evolutionary psychology.
Posted by: Jesse | Mar 9, 2009 5:17:19 PM
Jesse writes:
The very ethereal platonic form would have to be written in the very physical stuff of DNA. I do not see how this could be the case, but if it were, that would seem to me to be by far the most interesting implication of evolutionary psychology.
You make a good point, but I actually think it's very possible, even likely, that some "platonic forms" or mental constructs are in fact "written in" to our genes. For example, humans certainly seem to have an innate facility with the concepts of numbers, with mental representations of the idea of animate agents, with the concept that the world is composed (in some way) of discrete objects, etc. These and other basic categories must, it seems, somehow be "preprogrammed" into our makeup.
You are right that it's very hard to figure out how this could work. I don't think anyone has come close yet. It is very closely related to the problem of how our mental constructs are physically embodied in our brains, another deeply fascinating topic, which must in theory have a determinate answer, but on which we are really almost entirely clueless.
Posted by: Christopher M | Mar 9, 2009 10:05:46 PM
I too have the advantage of not having read this book, but 30 years ago I read The Art Spirit, which was a compilation of the writings of Robert Henri of New York's "Ashcan School"
Could Dutton be making a wry comparison in his choice of title, and even thesis?
Posted by: Carlos | Mar 9, 2009 10:36:10 PM
Thanks, Asad! While I don't want to mess with the integrity of this thread by suggesting I've read Professor Dutton's book, I do want to point out he has written wonderfully on kitsch, and would probably be comfortable treating the kitschier aspects of the Pleistocene Eden if it suited him to do that. If there's really nothing to the idea such a setting resonates -- didn't the Freudians used to call it an oceanic feeling? -- then why do so many cultures, including the Toltecs, have a mythology equivalent to the Western prelapsarian lost world, located at some point before recorded time? And, maybe water in a landscape isn't picturesque, either in stream form or in the stored form of ice and snow on distant mountains. Instead, might the sight of that not read "survival" to us before it reads "pretty"?
I would add that for real kitsch, a certain earnestness is necessarily involved. A kitsch painter is consciously and earnestly about beauty, craft and an affinity for the classical world -- not his fault we see it with lots of irony and post-irony folded in. Asad, sometime write on kitsch theory, okay? An interesting site for contemporary and highly conscious kitschsters is www.worldwidekitsch.com/
Posted by: Elatia Harris | Mar 9, 2009 11:28:28 PM
though my "knowledge" of art, as we know it, isn't superior than anyone else's- i can say i don't quite understand what all this is getting at. rather, i don't understand if anyone's intention is to get at something. it seems that way, when Asad's piece has an argumentative tone- (though you do say you do not want to head-butt, and you do a good job of not doing so). what i don't really understand is: if every thing created by a human and called a piece of "art" deserves to be called "art" by the intellectually fair, level-headed, sound-reasoned people then it takes the value out of everything that most intellectuals stand for. you speak of an objective method, and a standard, but by saying that virtually anything can be art- you can't really judge any film or painting because this would be a contradiction. unless, of course, that is your point: art is a constant contradiction. because after "the fountain", a new standard has been set, no longer can you just call anything contradictory to the "normal" standard thought provoking. hope someone will understand what i'm getting at.
that being said, your article was a great read asad.
Posted by: Rafay Rashid | Mar 11, 2009 4:12:08 AM
I’d like to breath a little fresh air into this discussion (which is basically an extension of the hoary old ‘Nature v Nurture’ debate ) by pointing to a widespread basic misconception about the role of genes:
It is often assumed that genes are agents within a rigid deterministic model, Genes=Determinism (G=D), so that if genes are invoked as the cause of a certain behavior, this implies that this behavior is essentially ‘mechanical’ ‘hard-wired’ ‘automatic’ and without free will. That is the reason that genetic or evolutionary arguments about human behavior are always greeted by hostility by those who assert the independence of the human mind from its biological roots.
The fault in the G=D model is that it regards genes as LIMITING factors, when they are really ENABLING factors. Genes are a data store for programming of protein factories within the cell. Living things could do nothing without genes and indeed would not even exist without them. Our genes control the systems that make up our internal organs and also those that constitute our sense organs. But here comes the catch that the G=D model misses out on: our genes DO NOT control the rest of the universe out there that our sense organs perceive. That is a very obvious statement, but its implication is that genes actually enable freedom by ‘releasing’ animals with sense organs from total enslavement to the code in genes by creating sensory inputs from the outside.
As for humans, genes have enabled us even more freedom by providing a brain that can objectify things perceived by the senses and manipulate them endlessly in mental models of its own creation. This ability to manipulate, modify elaborate and communicate mental constructs seems to have developed in tandem with the ability to select, manipulate, modify stone tools. Again, genes provided the ‘blueprints’ (thru natural selection, of course) for the agile hand and opposable thumb as well as for the brain tissue structures, with their ability to record events, interpret them and construct models, but genes did NOT provide the actual perceptions and mental models themselves.
How can we be so sure of that? Simply by comparing the input and output speeds for information processed by our nervous system ….
Seeing an object - milliseconds
Thinking about things - seconds – hours
…with those of information input to genes …
Altering genes via natural selection – generations, thousands of years
Another severe limitation on genes is the amount of information they can store:
The total length of a human genome is about 3 billion nucleotide base pairs, which can code about 700 MB of data:
http://www.thinkgene.com/how-much-data-is-a-human-genome/
700 MB is enough for a decent sized encyclopedia, but that has to encode ALL human proteins and only about 1-2% or less (my wild guestimate) of that could be fairly estimated to be ‘available’ for any instinctive, ‘hard wired’ mental images or built-in aesthetic preferences. About 1-2 average sized books, in other words. By contrast, the capacity of cultures to retain and distribute data is virtually limitless.
This ability to rapidly create, alter and store thoughts and cultural items has conferred virtually unlimited adaptability to humans, without any significant gene evolution for the past 100,000 years or so.
So what is art and where does the above put Prof Dutton’s ideas? Art is part of the same process of endlessly manipulating thoughts and objects that has led to all the important discoveries and inventions that have helped humans to make tools, hunt meat, build shelters etc. The cavemen who painted the bulls and deer at Lascaux couldn’t drag the live animals into that dark, low ceiling cavern, but they did remember seeing them running across the snow. They could objectify them, understand them reproduce the mental image onto the cave ceiling. They could discuss how best to hunt the real animals outside, point to where on the body was the best place to stab them with their spears etc. That is the essence of human art and craft: exploring and getting to grips with concepts and with real things, shaping and transforming them.
Dutton proposes that art is based on certain visual images that were so persistently seen for such a long time that they became embedded in the genes. It is certainly likely that some information about the appearance of objects is recorded in genes, such as the basic pattern of a human face , angles, edges and other image elements, but these are not the basis of art but rather elements which man’s explorative art endeavor, as defined above, can exploit and manipulate.
This makes Dutton’s ideas a little less important. Even if one could prove the existence of a primal, genetically embedded memory of a landscape, then this would only be an element within a landscape painting, in the same way that yellow ochre paint might be an element. Instinctive memories, childhood memories, emotions and intentions, paint and light are all tools handled by the artist in pursuit of his exploration.
The exploratory explanation of art fits in well with ‘modern’ non representative art. Artists realized that, with photography taking over conventional portraits and landscapes, they would have to move on to more abstract paths of exploration.
Here is a thought experiment: if the whole purpose of art were to provide something visually appealing to our Paleolithic souls, then you’d predict that someone would eventually create a limited set of pictures that would be just perfect. Then he would stop, his life work complete. Art lovers would come to view these few ultimate works, and that would satisfy them for ever. Clearly, things aren’t like that.
Posted by: aguy109 | Mar 11, 2009 9:05:05 AM
This was well written and very persuasive, Asad. I know my comment isn't much to look at, but she'll read true.
Although I haven't read the book, you provided sufficient textual evidence for me to draw a conclusion. I would certainly agree with you that art "is to be grasped through history rather than in our pre-historical genetic inheritance." However, I believe the latter must play some part in art appreciation: after all, we are a product of nature and nurture. The truth is art cannot be broken down into discrete elements: a piece of art is a gestalt. It must be look at holistically.
Posted by: Illest | Mar 11, 2009 12:25:12 PM
Hmmm very interesting. Wow do you all think a lot. Scientists are simple people who usually just describe what they see. We really are in search of the truth and do experiments to find out what the truth is, e.g. Watson and Crick putting together all the data to come up with the structure of DNA. You liberal arts and philosopher types can just go on and on about God only knows what!!!! No seriously some serious brain power on display here!!!
Well here’s a scenario: A caveman is looking at a sunset. Does he find it beautiful? Yes, probably as the brain we have has not evolved or changed much since Homo sapiens came onto the world stage. Does he find it awe inspiring? Possibly, the colors may have inspired awe in him. Is finding pictures of sunsets attractive and preferring calendar pictures of sunsets evolutionarily programmed into us? In my opinion: probably not. For something to have been evolutionarily programmed into us it has to increase our fitness. That is to say it has to increase the chance that we will pass on our genes. I think looking at sunsets did not make it more likely that cavemen would pass on their genes more.
As far as Marcel Duchamp goes, are toilets art? Would cavemen have thought so or not because there were no toilets seen on the horizons of the African savannah? There truly were no toilets and I assume still aren’t any toilets on the horizons of the savannah, however if the cavemen possessed a sense of humor then they may well have liked Marcel Duchamp’s “Fountain” and may have liked to gaze at it just as often as at sunsets. It seems more likely that a sense of humor would increase one’s fitness level and ability to pass on one’s genes than staring at sunsets…
Posted by: Samina Raza | Mar 12, 2009 11:01:50 PM
What did Duchamp say about "Fountain"? In fact, Duchamp did call it "anti-Art." The whole point of DaDa was to explode the ossified ideas about what art was (is). "Art" that he was being anti about was the Salon and the museum establishment. DaDa was first and foremost anti-establishment, and it opened the doors to a century of conceptual art, Pop Art, anti-art, and more.
Speaking for myself as an artist, writer, and musician, I find discussions like these to be inherently problematic. They often miss the point. (I did read Pinker's "Art and Physics" and thought it had some merit, BTW.) It seems to me that there are constant category errors in the reasoning around these topics.
First and foremost is the probably category error that art or even consciousness can be explained 100 percent as a purely biochemical emergent phenomenon. That's the underlying assumption here; and I think it's a problematic one. I'm not advocating supernatural explanations by any means; but purely mechanistic, materialistic origin theories of consciousness are ALSO Just So Stories, if you think about it. We just don't know enough to make that kind of assumption. There's a bit of Xeno's Paradox going on in biology these days: the closer the theories get to being definitive, the more the reality of experience recedes from them.
Secondly, another assumption in play in these discussions is that art is edifying. That's notoriously unsafe ground to build an assumption on. In fact, great art is often profoundly disturbing. It often makes us see the world in an entirely different way than we're used to, which for many is not a pleasant experience but a shocking one. (Which was Duchamp's other purpose with "Fountain," to shock: to shake up our assumptions about what art is. Obviously the work itself is still asking those questions.)
The situation that this leads to is the conflation of subjective personal taste with aesthetic values. They are often in conflict. One of the purposes of art has always been to point out where moral values run up against the wall of beauty, and splash meaninglessly against it. Dr. Dutton would not be the first to make the mistake of trying to rationalize why he doesn't like a given work or genre of art by concocting an apparently objective standard of art. Art and literary critics also do that all the time, of course. There ARE objective standards by which one can judge a work of art; but they are for the most part technical standards regarding craft and execution. They are not inherently values-based standards. Dutton makes the same mistake many critics make: he is cloaking essentially moral judgments about art as apparently objective statements. He's no better than Harold Bloom, frankly, in this instance.
BTW, probably the definitive book on Marcel Duchamp was written by Octavio Paz. I find it completely and hilariously consistent that none of the scientists who get into this discussion ever read enough art criticism to get a real sense of what was going on. They feel free to respond to the artwork on their own terms, which is as it should be; yet they choose ignorance over history whenever art-history is available. That's shaky rhetorical ground to try to stand on.
Posted by: Arthur Durkee | Mar 17, 2009 1:08:46 PM
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