October 06, 2008
My Summer with Stalin
Michael Blim
For me, summer reading choices have always been something of the voice of the unconscious speaking. If I am lucky, I figure out why I devoted my summer to one topic or another before the next summer rolls around.
Last year, as some of you may remember from a fall column, I spent the summer with Hitler – or rather reading accounts of his life and regime. It didn’t seem an odd choice. In the small town library I was using over the summer, non-fiction choices came down to three – or two and a half – topics: Hitler and the Second World War or the American Civil War. Their only rival was the children’s section, which prompted the wicked in me to wonder if tales of gruesome wars and a venomous dictator are in practice children’s books for adults.
This summer it was Stalin. In comparison to Hitler, he has inspired no universal obsession, no midnight reading in the garden of evil. As in the case of Mao, you might say that Stalin’s accomplishments are still vastly under-appreciated in relation to those of Hitler. Perhaps as the body counts under their regimes rise, Stalin and Mao may yet achieve admission into the pantheon of great 20th Century evil-doers. Hitler may yet find his peers.
Yet will Stalin’s admission be whole-hearted? Look around us: nothing draws universal outrage and dramatic protests as quickly and easily as the neo-Nazi movements that pop up in Europe and America.
By contrast, Vladimir Putin has made Stalin and Stalinism fashionable in Russia again. In Putin’s Russia, state authority is unitary and inviolate. The state develops Russia’s economy and dictates the terms of life and labor for the Russian people. When force and violence are necessary to defeat anti-state forces, they will be used, and the use will be held accountable only by the agents of the state itself. In other words, Stalinism without the millions dead.
Communism’s kulaks have won. The Soviet state class has not only survived the empire’s collapse, but has parlayed its prior advantage into a new system of privilege. The stakes are no longer two cows and a plow, but access to enormous wealth and power held once more via the state.
Stalinism is not in style in the West, but indifference to its effects, save in the survival of the new satellites the West has acquired, is palpable. If the Russian state creates something of a neo-Stalinist hell for its people, the West appears only vaguely interested in their fate.
Then too, the West has seemed to treat Stalinism as the lesser of two evils when compared with Hitlerism. Perhaps it was a matter of their priorities rather than ours. Hitler had no use for creating Nazis. He had all he needed to rule the world, and for him, the rest of us were low-life mongrels useful only in murderous domination. Revolutionary Stalin was a universalist: he sent out Communists of all nationalities to convert and revolutionize their own. Consequently, no European country since the Thirties has lived without some home-grown Stalinists in their midst. Even the United States has had its Stalinists, or what’s a Gus Hall for? R.I.P.
Perhaps the presence of home-grown Stalinists for three generations in the West humanized Stalin’s Stalinism in ways that Hitler, save for Mel Brooks’ The Producers, has never found.
Still, the monstrous facts of Stalin’s reign in the Soviet Union have been known for generations. Khrushchev’s 1956 finally not so “secret” speech to the 20th Soviet Union Communist Party Congress put Stalin’s crimes into circulation throughout the socialist world and into the hands of the West’s spymasters and anti-Communist intellectuals and policy advisors. George Kennan, 20th Century America’s master foreign policy intellectual had published extensive accounts in the sixties of the costs of the Soviet Union’s brutal journey to world economic and political power.
The obituaries commemorating Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s death short weeks ago are also reminders that accounts of Stalin and his deeds still circulate widely in the public domain.
No one can pretend ignorance of Stalin’s record as one of the supreme killers in the 20th Century.
But it is not only Putin that is propelling Stalin back into style. The decade-long thaw that occurred in Russia immediately after the fall of the Soviet Union enabled researchers to finally get their hands on documents in archives that had long been sequestered, or whose very existence had heretofore been unknown. We have a better chance now at understanding Stalin and Stalinism in its historical context.
The thaw and the newly opened archives have fueled accounts of two kinds. One is the re-exploration of Stalin’s life and character, as well as his relation to the Soviet regime. The other focuses on the impact of state terror on the everyday lives of citizens caught up in the chaos and upheavals of post-revolutionary Soviet society.
Regarding Stalin, well surely it’s no more Mr. Nice Guy, and that’s nothing new. But the vast amount of new material available has enabled historians to take a closer look at Stalin’s character. The result is: complexity, thy name is Stalin.
I rely on Simon Sebag Montefiore’s Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar for providing me some of the facts from which I derive my impressions.
I’ve gotten to know another Stalin. Malice, murder, and mayhem there are in requisite abundance for satisfying one’s earlier stereotype. But Montefiore in spite of himself as well finds a Stalin possessed of vast intelligence and a cultural literacy that would easily surpass that possessed by any American president in the 20th Century:
“’He worked very hard to improve himself,” said Molotov. His library consisted of 20,000 well-used volumes. Svetlana (Stalin’s daughter – MB) found books there from the Life of Jesus to the novels of Galsworthy, Wilde, Maupassant and later Steinbeck and Hemingway. His granddaughter later noticed him reading Gogol, Chekhov, Hugo, Thackeray and Balzac. In old age, he was still discovering Goethe. He “’worshipped Zola.’” (2003: 97)
According to Montefiore, Stalin “adored the Last of the Mohicans, amazing a young translator whom he greeted in faux-Red Indian: ‘Big chief greets paleface!’”
Stalin experienced enormous love and friendship. He inspired devotion as well as fear among his closest associates. As for Sergei Kirov, the fabled Leningrad party chief as his only likely successor, one will never know if Stalin’s love for him was faux, or Kirov’s end at Stalin’s hands was like Otello’s parting kiss.
No one would ever say that Stalin was not the author of his crimes. He signed tens of thousands of death warrants personally, occasionally with comments appended such as “make him really suffer.” He rendered pitch-perfect the endless propaganda campaigns against enemies of the people that exposed people to torture, exile, and death by privation or execution, and in the millions. The mandates given his henchmen were explicit, as were the body counts sent back to Stalin at the Kremlin.
The henchmen too lived in a state of frenzied activity on behalf of the regime while at the same time possessed of abject fear that they too, or their loved ones, would be caught up as victims of the terrors. In one of the strangest tales from this schizoid world, Stalin imprisoned Molotov’s wife for associating with Jewish nationalist even as Molotov was helping Stalin keep Hitler at bay via the 1939 non-aggression pact. Molotov’s wife would go to prison a second time after World War II; her husband would remain loyal to Stalin until the latter’s death.
Stalin, in my view, was no madman. He was possessed of the Manichean worldview of a revolutionary caught up in a violent struggle for power who believed it virtuous to transform Soviet society by any means necessary. But the more he succeeded in subjecting Soviet society to his demands, force and violence became ends in themselves. They became the normal tools in perfecting and finishing the task of revolution.
As with Molotov, so too with so many of the millions of real victims of Stalin’s regime. New scholarship, access to archives and frank oral histories, reveal something even more fascinating to recount than the extraordinary career of Stalin. Several new books allow us a glimpse of how Soviet citizens were reformed or reformed themselves in the caldron of post-revolutionary terrors. Some citizens hid their characters and beliefs from the state, hoping to avoid death or social annihilation. Others sought to change and perfect new characters that would be at one with the revolution’s mission and final triumph in a truly transformed, just, communist society.
Orlando Figes, eminent scholar of the revolution and of the post-revolutionary period, argues for his part that many people resisted “conversion” to a Soviet-ophile character through concealment, the creation of false identities, the aid of kin, and even the occasional kindness of strangers. In The Whisperers (2007), Figes also relates the stories of people’s whose beliefs and characters had been colonized by the Stalinist state. Bolsheviks languished in prisons still believing in the cause. Others might not have believed that their accused father, for instance, was an enemy of the people, but this is in no way diminished their belief in enemies of the people. Still others believed that if their father were accused, he must be guilty.
In Figes, we have an exemplary account of the power of fear. In Jochen Hellbeck’s Revolution on My Mind: Writing a Diary under Stalin (2006), we see the workings of desire, as he shows how people worked to transform themselves into instruments of revolution and a new communist society. His discovery and recounting of diaries written by ordinary persons during the terrors reveals how people worked on their basic characters to create revolutionary subjects. For society to hurl itself into the new world, so must its devoted citizens. Their diaries were the account books for their change.
There are those who work with rapture daily to be one with the proletarian revolutionary movement represented in the party. There are others for whom the pain of denunciation redoubles their efforts to become worthy Soviet citizens. There are still others who recount their psychic battles to contain or destroy the bourgeois impulses of the past.
The greatest impression left by my summer with Stalin is that Stalin, save as a subject for “big-man” history, is not finally the source of useful knowledge that the study of life under his regime is.
Why? Because we live in times no less subject to mass persuasion, coercion by force, and state violence. What lives do we fashion, re-fashion, under their influence?
Of the heroic tales we tell ourselves, can the strength of character as a human absolute be the biggest whopper of them all? In the story of the post-revolutionary Soviet Union, Stalin hardened his character into a violent force of nature. Ordinary Soviet citizens discovered how fragile, how plastic, and how friable were theirs.
And so might we.
Did you have a good summer? And what did you learn?
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Comments
Thanks for this! Besides the "The Whisperers" and the Jochen Hellbeck book, do you recommend any other writers on life under Stalin? And how about contemporary Russian? Is there anyone who can pick up where Anna Politskaya's "Russian Diary" left off? Though that's a lot to ask I suppose.
Posted by: Vicki Baker | Oct 6, 2008 5:27:15 PM
Why not actually read Stalin instead of just people who got paid to write bad stuff about him?
Posted by: Marcell Rodden | Oct 7, 2008 2:54:44 AM
In addition to books for people who are familiar with Stalinism (Soviet proletarian dictatorship), and who want to understand it better, we need books for people who know very little about it. How else can we convince people that the seductive theory of proletarian dictatorship was a monumental mistake of social engineering in 20th century?
My book, "Hell On Earth: Brutality And Violence Under The Stalinist Regime" (ISBN 978-1-60047-232-9), available at www.amazon.com , was written for typical Americans; they know very little about Stalinism. Also see:
http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/excerpts.html
I believe that my short and easy-to-read book (as well as Figes' longer book, "The Whisperers,") should be recommended as supplementary reading to all who learn Soviet history. The book is dedicated to millions of victims of Stalinism, including my father.
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 7, 2008 10:15:50 AM
P.S.
1) Very few people know about my book so far. Please share information about it with those who might be interested:
"Hell On Earth: Brutality And Violence Under The Stalinist Regime" by Ludwik Kowalski (2008, ISBN 978-1-60047-232-9), available at www.amazon.com Also see:
http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/stalinism.html
2) What the book needs is a review in a newspaper or a magazine. Thank you for possible help. My email address is kowalskil@mail.montclair.edu
3) Last Friday, a journalist friend asked me what kind of reviewer would I prefer. Perhaps you will be interested in my reply below. Your comments will be appreciated.
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a) Thanks for your prompt challenging reply. Why challenging? Because it presented me with a hypothetical dilemma and promoted additional thinking. What would I do if asked to choose between the three kinds of reviewers described by you (pro-Communist, anti-Communist and someone who knows history)? I would certainly reject a pro-Stalinist, (similar to Professor 1 in Chapter 7). Such a person's goal would be opposite to mine. . . . Professor 1 is extremely intelligent; as a reviewer he would have no trouble disqualifying my book.
b) Yes, a reviewer "who knows history, and who can get the review published" is highly desirable. My immediate goal is to promote the book; my long-term goal is to convince readers that Stalinism (the Soviet proletarian dictatorship) was a big and costly social engineering mistake. How can one be objective about this? Communism, as you probably know, can be very seductive. I want to reach those who know very little about Stalinism, and to make them think about it. That is why descriptions of horrors are mixed with challenging questions. I know that many young people have no patience for reading long books. That is why my book is short, and often subdivided into short subsections. Will these pedagogical aspects count in my favor or will they be ignored by someone interested only in the subject matter, and in originality? I do not know.
c) You also mention an anti-Communist reviewer. I have nothing against a reviewer whose opinion on Stalin is similar to mine. Hopefully, that person will also know history and will be able to help me. I am not offering a history book, where positive and negative are in balance. I am offering an easy-to-read anti-Stalinist book in which the negative is emphasized. I want to be evaluated on the basis of how well this is accomplished.
d) Different authors offer different estimates for the numbers of victims of Stalinism. I am not hiding this; in fact I quote conflicting numbers, such as approximately 20 million versus approximately 10 million. Should this count in my favor or should this be the basis for criticizing me for inconsistency? That is a difficult question. Numbers are so large that differences are usually irrelevant, as far as conclusions are concerned. Soviet proletarian dictatorship, for example, does not become "more acceptable" if 10 million is chosen instead of 20 million.
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 7, 2008 11:12:18 AM
Red Army in WWII (This topic was discussed at the book signing event at Borders, last week.
"Hell On Earth: Brutality And Violence Under The Stalinist Regime" by Ludwik Kowalski (2008, ISBN 978-1-60047-232-9), available at www.amazon.com Also see:
http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/stalinism.html
Comments will be appreciated.
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The undeniable heroism of Soviet people was mentioned at the end of Sections 2.2 and 4.4. The more I think about Stalinism the more I am fascinated by it. On one hand it was a political system that killed millions of its own people; on the other hand it was an essential factor in the defeat of another tyrannical system, Naziism. It is not at all obvious that Hitler would have been defeated without the heroic contributions of the Red Army. Stalingrad was just as important as D-day.
It is clear to me that nearly every Soviet soldier had at least one family member who was either deported or killed by Stalin. And yet, many of them fought and died while chanting his name. How can this be explained? This question is asked by a British historian, Orlando Figes. The major factor, according to him, was relaxation of the party propaganda of class struggle. Surviving kulaks and their children became as important as poor workers (proletariat) and poor peasants. The same was true for surviving aristocrats and other servants of the tsarist government.
The slogan of class struggle was replaced by the slogan of love of motherland. And Stalin was made an icon of Soviet patriotism. I remember war movies, and books, in which soldiers were shown running and crying "za Rodinu za Stalina" (for Motherland, for Stalin). Figes writes: "The new mood was summarized by Pravda when it argued, in June 1944, in sharp contrast to the Party's prewar principles, that 'personal qualities of every Party member should be judged by his practical contributions to the war effort,' rather than by his class origin or ideological correctness." Poems and songs heard during the war reinforced a natural desire for revenge. All Germans had to be punished for Nazi atrocities.
In other words, political and religious control was relaxed. Hundreds of churches were reopened during the war. Appeal to patriotism was reinforced by replacing the old national anthem (the famous International) by a new one emphasizing "indestructible brotherhood of Soviet people united by great Russia." It was also reinforced by replacing the Red Army insignia with old tsarist epaulettes, by popularizing old Russian heroes, such as Suvorov and Kutuzov, etc.
But that was not all; the special order #227 (issued on July 28, 1942) is also mentioned by Figes. That order, "Not a single step backward," was to punish "panickers" and "cowards." Special units were used to shoot soldiers who lagged behind or tried to run away from fighting. How important were these measures? According to the author, they turned out to be ineffective. Defections were reduced when battlefield camaraderie naturally developed during the offensive. Some Soviet people would probably be less patriotic if they had been aware of deportations of deportations of entire nations to Kazakhstan, during the war, as described by Professor 3 on pages 93-94.
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 7, 2008 4:50:30 PM
Marcell Rodden asked "Why not actually read Stalin instead of just people who got paid to write bad stuff about him?"
Because Stalin's publications are useless to someone who is interested, for example, in two famines, or in other human costs of collectivization and fast industrialization.
By the way, I was not payed for publishing my book (ISBN 978-1-60047-232-1). And royalties are already committed to a scholarship fund at my university. Writing this book was a moral obligations to zeks who died in Kolyma.
Unfortunately, only a small number of people know about my book. Please help me to promote it; the book is available at www.amazon.com
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 7, 2008 5:07:37 PM
Ludwig, I'm not surprised you don't want Marxist-Leninists to scrutinize your works. Why could they "have no trouble disqualifying" your work if you have actually contributed some proof to the Stalin question?
I suspect maybe your work is just another drop in the cesspool of anti-Stalin propaganda that was designed to stop the spread of working class power, and has worked successfully to slander Marxism-Leninism at the behest the international capitalists and their lapdogs.
Suggesting reading Stalin himself would be useless in learning about the conditions that surrounded the Soviet Union at that time is the most utterly ridiculous crap I've ever heard. Instead we should trust "scholars" from bourgeois institutions like you to quote out of context, right?
Or is it that reading Stalin might shed some light on the truth?
I would suggest to anyone interested in more than status quo Stalin dumping start here:
http://individual.utoronto.ca/mrodden/study/ssustudy.html
Then when some history is put in prospective, actually read some Stalin:
http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/Index.html
Also, for those genuinely interested in Stalin and not just bashing and furthering lies, check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stalinist
Regards,
Marcell, a real Marxist-Leninist.
Posted by: Marcell Rodden | Oct 7, 2008 6:01:26 PM
Why did you replace "two famines, or in other human costs of collectivization . . . " with "conditions that surrounded the Soviet Union at that time?"
Here is what I wrote: "Stalin's publications are useless to someone who is interested, for example, in two famines, or in other human costs of collectivization and fast industrialization." Do you agree with this?
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 7, 2008 8:09:09 PM
Ludwig,
You asked: 'Why did you replace "two famines, or in other human costs of collectivization . . . " with "conditions that surrounded the Soviet Union at that time?"', because these things weren't isolated incidents in themselves. They were connected with everything going on in the USSR and in the world itself. To suggest that these things where simply incidents in themselves and I suspect you insinuate they where engineered by Stalin, I object to.
And no, I obviously do not agree, because to understand the battle the communists where fighting and the class war that was occurring you have to read Stalin; and if you have access to more materials at that time even better.
But to read second hand materials from yet another "scholar" I see no use for. Are we supposed to believe you? Do you have access to some sources that Montefoire, Conquest, Solzhenitsyn, et al did not? Or is it the same old lies and twisted numbers that we have always been subjected to?
Posted by: Marcell Rodden | Oct 7, 2008 10:51:30 PM
You are correct Marcell, what happened in the Soviet Union was connected with what was going on around it. Stalin, believed that what he was doing was “historical necessity.” But that does not mean it was correct. Collectivization, for example, was a fundamental (and very costly) mistake.
But before discussing Soviet communism with you, I would like to know how old you are, and what your background is. In exchange let me introduce myself. I am 77 years old, and I have some personal experience with USSR. Here is how it is described on the back cover of my book:
“The author’s father, a civil engineer, left Poland for the Soviet Union in 1931. An idealistic communist, he believed it was his duty to emigrate, and to contribute to the building of a new society. His wife and his infant son [me] followed soon after. In 1938 he [my father] was arrested and sent to a GULAG camp in Kolyma, where he became a slave in Stalin’s state of proletarian dictatorship. Two years later he died, most likely from exhaustion, working in a gold mine.
The author, who is a retired physics professor (Professor Emeritus at Montclair State University, New Jersey), shares what he knows and thinks about Stalinism. Educated in the Soviet Union (elementary school), in Poland (high school and master’s degree) and in France (Ph.D. in nuclear physics), he came to the United States in 1964. . . .“
I will be glad to continue our open exchange of messages, if you wish, after reading your self-introduction. Thanks for the link to the multi-volume set of Stalin’s publications.
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 8, 2008 12:50:15 AM
Ludwig,
Does it really matter if I am 28 or 88? Is it that because of your age you propose to be more worthy to speak on certain subjects? Why is it necessary for me to give a biography? Should I have traveled the world to know what I'm talking about? If I'm just a working class guy who has never even left his city because he is so poor, but goes to the library a lot and uses the internet a lot, does this discount my opinions?
By the way, I had a gut feeling that Grover Furr was in fact "Professor 1". I asked him about you and he confirmed this, and from what I've heard your book doesn't contribute much of anything "new" that previous anti-communist liars haven't already.
You haven't even bothered to research why you're father was imprisoned!
Aside from Grover being an internet comrade, in real life I have worked with Canadian Friends of Soviet People (http://www.northstarcompass.org) here in Toronto for some years. My Comrade and friend Michael Lucas is 84 years old now, and would sharply disagree with you, Ludwig. He was also born in the USSR. So I guess he would have you on age and experience, if that's what matters!
If you are curious about me, just run my name through google or wikipedia.
With communist regards,
Marcell Rodden
Posted by: Marcell Rodden | Oct 9, 2008 9:10:34 PM
All we need is a Trotskyite now and we could have a real rumble!
Bozhe moi!
Posted by: Vicki Baker | Oct 9, 2008 10:15:01 PM
Dear Marcell,
1) Age does not matter to me but personal experience does. I also like to know something about people I am corresponding with.
2) It is true that my short book does not provide new information about Stalinism. It was written for those who know very little about dark sides of Soviet history. Most of it are quotes from several books (52 references) and my comments.
3) Do you agree that forced collectivization of agriculture in the Soviet Union (around 1930) was a big and costly social-engineering mistake?
4) Perhaps you would like to read a comment Professor 63 made, responding to Professor 1 (see below). I am quoting from page 113 of my 2008 book (ISBN 978-1-60047-232-9, available at www.amazon.com )
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5) Although I must agree with you [Professor 1] with respect to our country's inconsistent (to say the least) foreign policy, I must also suggest that you delve into some actual, as opposed to academic, history of the effects of communism on almost half of this world. I was born and raised in the Eastern European country of Romania, host to one of the worst regimes of communism and, consequently, one of the best representations of what communism really meant to people living under it. It is absolutely mind-blowing to me to hear you say that communist governments were the "best, most pro-working class governments in the history of the world!" The only explanation I could think of is that you are one of the unfortunately too many individuals who have had the luxury of experiencing communism from the US' cozy continent, from READING its ideology rather than living it. It is absolutely impossible for me to describe to you in words what it is like to live under communism but I would ask you to reflect on just a couple of things:
a) if this were a communist country, and you were advocating that democracy is the best form of government in this post thread, you would be in jail or worse, within hours. Indeed, there would not even be a discussion thread!
b) if this were a communist country, you would be going home to a house you do not own, eating food that was rationed according to what the government thought was appropriate for your family to eat, and would go to work in a school system that required its professors to regurgitate government dogma as opposed to educating independent and solid thinking. I doubt that you teach in that way in your classes... of course, it does sound like you would have no problem teaching communist dogma.
c) if you were in a communist country, you would have not one original thought in your mind, because if you did, it might land you in jail, or worse.
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 9, 2008 10:24:26 PM
Vicki:
In real life I have worked with Trots. I almost became a Trot in the beginning but thankfully I saw through the numerous lies against Stalin and the USSR and met some people who helped me along the way.
However, during my years as a youth organizer, I worked with Trots on a regular bases, as well as revisionist ML'ers and I have worked alongside many Anarchists as well.
I hosted study groups / discussions informally and open to the public on the U of T campus, and we had Trots show up to a few of them. Usually they didn't bother to show up more than once.
The point is, I don't discount Trotsky in totality because some of his work is worth studying, and not just from a historical standpoint, but certainly some of what he wrote in terms of theory and discussion was good. Because Marxist-Leninists don't look at things in terms of "good" (Stalin) Vs. "evil" (Trotsky), we look at the concrete facts.
As well, I don't discount Trotskyites, because certainly many of them are good social-activists, good antifascists, and many do contribute to the struggle against imperialism.
This is why I choose to work and cooperate with everyone in the worker's movement so long as they are not outright reactionary.
Vicki / Ludwig: MY "polibio" in a nutshell can be found here:
http://marcelthemaoist.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-polibio-in-nutshell.html
Ludwig:
In answer to your questions numbered:
1.) I am 28, other than that most important info can be found about me on google/yahoo/etc.
2.) To me it seems like your book is written to be anticomprop for a new generation of readers who don't like to read. Of course, when it comes to anticom you don't have to have good sources, do research, etc. to get praise. We see it in the newspapers every day.
Whether or not you got paid / get royalties for the work doesn't really matter, you're a retired prof., it's not like you are going to be living uncomfortably.
3.) No, and if I did then I would have to wonder why life expectancy, live birth/death, and in general the Soviet people where living better than most other workers/people in the world with the imperialist countries as an exception. If some mistakes where made during collectivization, they could only be seen in retrospect (and even Conquest now admits this). Aside, without collectivization we have to examine the "what if" of how many people would have starved and died, especially in the cities while Kulaks hoarded food.
4. & 5.) Prof. 63 provides us with nothing new once again. 63 reminds me of Hedrick Smith's "The (New) Russians" or maybe Freeland's "Sale of the Century". Anyone can go around Eastern Europe and find some token anti-communists or disgruntled citizens as easily as I could find Nationalist Quebecois, Militant First Nations or Revolutionary white Anarchists in Kanada and get them to say bad things about the government/country. Does this necessarily mean it will represent the vast majority of people?
If my comrade from Romania and his parents are pro-communist and have some different take on the questions than 63, who's right?
What we are talking about here is personal opinion. So what?
What we can look at is facts. Alongside of opinion we can also look at the history of Kanadian Colonialism and imperialism, It will tell us something about the injustice of the country and about capitalism.
At the same time, we have to look at the material conditions the people live in and why they are good. When we look at Kanada, for example, where does all the material wealth come from? Of course we know it is extracted from the 3rd world. This is injustice to workers as a whole.
If we look at Romania, which did not exploit other countries, then we look at the material conditions of the workers (not abstract "freedom" conditions) we can learn whether or not, at least economically, the society was somewhat just.
Then we have to balance that out with the "freedom" question and ask ourselves who the people protesting "freedom" are and what they hope to gain. So when does material conditions vs. freedom become an important issue for workers? For most people the material conditions are what really matters, and the more material conditions you have the more free you are to complain because you are less likely to rebel.
In this consideration, we have to look at the limitations of what could be provided for the people realistically. For example, 63 talks about rationing, but he doesn't bother to reason the fact that without it possibly some people would have to do without. So why would his freedom to "eat more" or possibly waste more, supersede the rights of others to eat at all? This of course, is the thinking of a capitalist.
Of course we can go on and on, but you can see my point that 63's rant is rather individualist, superficial and doesn't contribute much more than a "talking down to".
In my opinion 63's tone is similar from what I get from you Ludwig, a kind of "I know better than you and you're just naive" tone. But in reality, nothing is being said that actually warrants intellectual thought, rather academic or not.
Posted by: Marcell Rodden | Oct 10, 2008 12:27:45 AM
Let's look at what "63" said:
>a) if this were a communist >country, and you were advocating >that democracy is the best form of >government in this post thread, >you would be in jail or worse, >within hours. Indeed, there would >not even be a discussion thread!
Let's see some proof of this. For example, what "communist country" (there is no such thing btw as "communist country" is an anti-com term. There are only and have only ever been Socialist countries where communists have been in power).
>b) if this were a communist >country, you would be going home >to a house you do not own,
Prof. 63 might be surprised that there is a vast majority of people in ameriKKKa that don't own their own homes, especially now. I don't own my house and have to pay rent to a landlord.
Interestingly, 85% of Cubans are home owners. I am sure "63" would try to argue they don't "really" own the homes, but in capitalists countries do you ever really own your home anyways?
The gov really owns the land, you have to pay property tax, and your house, even when fully paid for could be seized by gov agencies like the IRS anytime.
That's if you are "lucky" enough to own a home, and "lucky" enough to have insurance in case your house burns down, floods or something else happens that causes you to become part of the millions of homeless in the U$.
Most of the people in New Orleans didn't seem to be so "lucky".
In Cuba, for example, people are NEVER left homeless. And I woudl rather have my house "owned" by the government then pay a slumlord every month.
>eating
>food that was rationed according >to what the government thought was >appropriate for your family to >eat,
Is this supposed to be worse than workers on a minimum wage getting to "choose" a lower end grocery chain? Or unemployed people getting food stamps? Or people getting no choice at all? Perhaps if "63" ever had to live without food as opposed to with rations they would have a different opinion. Hard times have existed even in ameriKKKa, Kanada and Britain and there was rationing for people. I 63 suggesting that allowing the rich unbrdled access to goods when there are shortages i a a good idea? Because as we have seen, under capitalism there has been shortages, so it's not like abolishing socialism is simply the solution that would bring an abundance of goods to a country. If this was the case, people in Cuba and China would be starving and all those "lucky" people in the capitalist 3rd world would be rich and munching goodies instead of exporting 80% of their goods to us fat asses in the imperialist world.
And of course, it boils down to "63" comparing conditions with the imperialist countries, which really isn't a fair comparison. You can't compare a residential neighborhood in a 2nd, 3rd or 4th world country, to say Upper Montclair in terms of wealth. That would be outright dumb. But if that's your expectations, you need a reality check.
>and would go to work in a school >system that required its >professors to regurgitate >government dogma as opposed to >educating independent and solid >thinking.
This sounds like almost any history, economics, or whatever (pick a subject) class in the imperialist country. I would like to know if "63" REALLY encourages free thought. My experience on the uni campus tells me that MOST profs don't like and usually do not tolerate when you disagree with them, especially publically and most of them follow what the institute tells them to. I was lucky to have many Marxist profs. on the campus because I knew how to find them from my years as an organizer.
How is it any different, if "63" is telling the truth, and exactly what we he propose to be a better solution?
>I doubt that you teach in that way >in your classes...
Uni isn't supposed to be a free for all discussion anyways, students can do that on their own time. Of course a student should object when a prof. is teaching outright bullshit (like I did to a few anti-com profs at utoronto), but other than that you are there to learn a subject. You can have debates/discussions on your own time.
>of course, it does sound like you >would have no problem teaching >communist dogma.
It's always so easy to say "communist dogma" because people will believe you, because it's almost popcult in the bourgeois academic world. But who is actually full of dogma is a different matter. It's funny how these anti-coms are always spouting "freedom of thought" and to question things, yet the communists are asking questions and demanding answers and being called "dogmatics" for doing so.
>c) if you were in a communist >country, you would have not one >original thought in your mind,
I don't think "63" has much original thought, because all of this has been regurgitated before. Philosophically, does anyone really have an "original" thought? We all repeated what we have learned and manifest our thoughts and ideas from what we have learned.
>because if you did, it might land >you in jail, or worse.
Let's see proof.
In any case, how many economic prisoners exist in the U$? How many countries has the U$ interfered with or just bombed because some or all of it's people disagreed with their "original thoughts"?
Marcell
Posted by: Marcell Rodden | Oct 10, 2008 1:05:03 AM
I asked only one question and you responded by bringing so many other issues. I prefer to address each issue separately. I asked:
"Do you agree that forced collectivization of agriculture in the Soviet Union (around 1930) was a big and costly social-engineering mistake?"
You responded:
"No, and if I did then . . . "
Let me show why I think that Soviet collectivization was a big mistake. Your comment will be appreciated.
On page 89 of my book you will see that in 1979 about 28% of the Soviet agricultural production was from small plots of private citizens. These plots represented less than 1% of the cultivated land. Collective farms continued to operate very inefficiently. These numbers were taken from my reference #31. How can such experimental data be explained?
I remember old theoretical arguments that collective farms should be much more productive than small private farms. But, in practice, this did not happen.
I consider it to be evidence for a theoretical mistake. As a physicist I was trained to reject theories which are contradicted by experimental data.
Posted by: Ludwik Kowalski | Oct 10, 2008 1:59:40 PM
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