March 27, 2008
That Curious Idea of Resurrection
Larry Hurtado in Slate:
The idea of a real, personal resurrection—meaning a new bodily existence of individuals after death, in one way or another—did not originate with Christianity or with claims about Jesus. Instead, it seems to be first clearly reflected in Jewish texts dated to sometime in the second century B.C., such as the biblical book of Daniel 12:2. At the time, it was a genuinely innovative idea. (Alan Segal's book Life After Death gives an expansive discussion of the origins of the idea of resurrection.) Many peoples of the ancient world hoped for one or another sort of eternal life, but it was usually thought of as a kind of bodiless existence of soul or spirit set in realms of the dead that might or might not be happy, pleasant places. In still other expectations, death might bring a merging of individuals with some ocean of being, like a drop of water falling into the sea.
The ancient Jewish and early Christian idea of personal resurrection represented a new emphasis on individuals and the importance of embodied existence beyond the mere survival or enhancement of the soul, although there was debate about the precise nature of the post-resurrection body. Some seem to have supposed it would be a new body of flesh and bones, closely linked to the corpse in the grave but not liable to decay or death. Others imagined a body more like that of an angel. But whatever its precise nature, the hope of resurrection reflected a strongly holistic view of the person as requiring some sort of body to be complete.
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The supposed resurrection of Jesus doesn't interest me much; it's a rather charming myth.
What fascinates me is the story of the zombies roaming Jerusalem when he died, in Matthew, I believe it is. What a sight that must have been! Too bad no one else reported it. I guess it was pretty much an everyday occurrence in those days.
Posted by: JonJ | Mar 27, 2008 10:22:53 AM
JonJ - Those zombies were just your average typical Israeli drivers, paying attention to other road users through sightless eyes and constantly hunting down new recruits.
Posted by: aguy109 | Mar 27, 2008 10:57:25 AM
Jon--
Never got the Jewish Zombie thing also.
I almost prefer talking snakes---
But to each his or her own fantasies. but Necrophilia is not on my list.
Posted by: Dave Ranning | Mar 27, 2008 11:17:54 AM
There is a Kashmiri version of the story of resurrection more common among non-Christians. There is a tomb in Roza Bal, Kashmir which is believed to be the burial site of Jesus. It used to attract quite a few tourists, many from Israel, when Kashmir was a safe place for outsiders to visit.
Posted by: Ruchira | Mar 27, 2008 12:11:44 PM
Two of my posts over at Wisdom of the West have tackled this issue: one dealing with how bunnies and baskets of eggs and chicks came to symbolize the resurrection [hint: they're pagan], and the other with the problems posed by physics to a mythology involving bodily resurrection and ascent to heaven [hint: the speed of light is an absolute speed limit].
Btw: what's the scriptural reference for the zombies?
Posted by: Jim H. | Mar 27, 2008 1:12:42 PM
Nietzsche's historical critique seems particularly relevant: who else would invent resurrection than a people fundamentally hostile to and regretful of the conditions of their actual life? Often, it seems, religion is born out of resentment.
Posted by: Nick Smyth | Mar 27, 2008 1:24:55 PM
The "zombie" citation is:
Matt.27:51-53
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Posted by: Quixie | Mar 27, 2008 1:45:49 PM
What is resurrection but magical thinking to avoid the fact of our individual extinction at death? The fear of death is the basis of all religion. Western religions propose a soul that ascends to heaven; eastern, a soul that is reincarnated on earth. What no religion can accept is that when you're dead you're toast.
Posted by: Jared | Mar 27, 2008 2:18:30 PM
Jared-
Yes the "Ghost in the machine" was some comfort to those afraid to face the existential truth of biology.
Religion set up the contingent of continuance, which made exploitation of the masses by the elite mare palatable to the oppressed.
This horrible earth existence is a test for my "Ghost in the machine".
As Carlin says "talk about bullshit, religion is the master"
Posted by: Dave Ranning | Mar 27, 2008 6:45:36 PM
jared
I don't know what you mean. judaism, christianity and islam all three are from the east.
i think you are referring to hinduism and buddhism.
Posted by: MS | Mar 27, 2008 9:41:45 PM
“Where do you come from? Where do you go?
Sorry that’s nothin’ you would need to know.”
–Bob Dylan, Love & Theft, Summer days
Posted by: J | Mar 28, 2008 8:44:39 AM
Actually, Roshi Bob has talked about this mind body connection, if obliquely. Remembering one of his own teachers, Sensei Tony, a plumber, he remembers Tony asking:
"Have you ever sweat pipe? Sweating pipe is an enlightening experience which, if done correctly, will lead to nirvana."
[snip]
...Tony ... was a man with a heart of gold and immense knowledge in the art of plumbing ... Tony was a true adept who taught, “With a little heat, flux, solder, and an imperturbable will you can join the essential elements of mind (and body) together in the simplest way."
This was a truth I found hard to believe, said Roshi. I argued with Sensei about it often. Sensei, I said, I always thought that mind ... transcended body and superintended physical action without being coexistent with it.
“Why? Why would you think that? Have you ever experienced mind without body,” he asked?
Not that I know of, said Roshi, but I’ve been told this by adults since I was a kid ... were they all wrong?
“Let’s find out,” Tony said. ”Hand me that 1/2″ tee, the flux, and that roll of solder there. And fire up the torch.”
After smashing my head on heating ducts, getting cobwebs in my hair, and cursing freshly sweated solder joints that chronically sprung leaks ... I finally cursed the universal mind that made this all so. If Sensei Tony had seen me then he would have said, "Breathe, Grasshopper, Breathe. Don’t be distracted by cobwebs. Focus the flame on the fitting. Remember solder flows to heat. Soon, soon all connections will be perfectly realized. Enlightenment lies just beyond the next 90 degree el. Attend, attend.”
The answer to the "resurrection" question implied by Roshi may be found simply in proper attention and asking the right questions. As Dylan said in a previous comment, who knows, or needs to?
The full post of "Sweating Pipe to Draw Water" found here:
http://roshibob.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/sweating-pipe-to-draw-water/
Posted by: J | Mar 28, 2008 9:52:12 AM
Tend to your Garden...brilliant.
Posted by: Carlos | Mar 28, 2008 11:47:07 AM
That is just false. Plato mentioned the idea of resurrection.
He believed that after death the soul crossed a river that caused it to loss its memory and came back to earth to another body.
Posted by: Fabio | Mar 29, 2008 12:28:15 AM
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