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February 24, 2007

Pythagoras

M. F. Burnyeat in the London Review of Books:

Pythagoras_2It is hard to let go of Pythagoras. He has meant so much to so many for so long. I can with confidence say to readers of this essay: most of what you believe, or think you know, about Pythagoras is fiction, much of it deliberately contrived. Did he discover the geometrical theorem that bears his name? No. Did he ponder the harmony of the spheres? Certainly not: celestial spheres were first excogitated decades or more after Pythagoras’ death. Does he even deserve credit for his most famous accomplishment, analysing the mathematical ratios that structure musical concordances? Possibly, but there is little reason to believe the stories about his being the first to discover them, and compelling reason not to believe the oft-told story about how he did it. Allegedly, as he was passing a smithy, he heard that the sounds made by the hammers exemplified the intervals of fourth, fifth and octave, so he measured their weights and found their ratios to be respectively 4:3, 3:2, 2:1. Unfortunately for this anecdote, recently rehashed in the article on Pythagoras in Grove Music Online, the sounds made by a blow do not vary proportionately with the weight of the instrument used.

My problem is that to convince you of such deflationary truths I have to give an account which inevitably is less exciting than, for example, the following extract from Bertrand Russell’s well-known History of Western Philosophy (1946):

Pythagoras . . . was intellectually one of the most important men that ever lived, both when he was wise and when he was unwise. Mathematics, in the sense of demonstrative deductive argument, begins with him, and in him is intimately connected with a peculiar form of mysticism. The influence of mathematics on philosophy, partly owing to him, has, ever since his time, been both profound and unfortunate.

More here.

Posted by S. Abbas Raza at 04:38 PM | Permalink

Comments

Good God, what a depressing and fascinating article. The prodigiously credentialed and organized writer has quite a way with argument, yet he advances no theories as to why people who are neither innumerate nor illiterate (nor cultists) have held on for so long to the very idea of Pythagoras that he relentlessly demolishes, when slogging through Burkert's debunking opus has been an option -- however little exercised -- for almost three decades.

The interesting question, then, if Pythagoras unmasked was but a control freak with charisma who famously abstained from beans, is -- what deep wish in our natures did the myth surrounding and representing him speak to? That part of us needing mathiness to co-exist with mysticism? Legends that live for 2500 years have some reason beyond the ignorance of those who keep passing them on to flourish, and the writer of this article would have done well to examine that before packing up his tools and making haste away from the now empty pedestal.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Feb 24, 2007 10:03:38 PM

Elatia, your comments are beautifully written, I imagine that your table settings for your catering business are pretty special too. But please don't use the phrase: 'Good God' on this blog, it upsets some people.
As for Pythagoras, hasn't he been gone long enough for his personality and acheivements to be amalgamated with those of others? Why, even the great George W. Bush doesn't write all his own speeches. Is the zero on the Potomac greater than the square on the Hypotenuse?

Posted by: aguy109 | Feb 25, 2007 2:06:52 AM

Look at it this way. If I didn't comment when The Spirit moved me, then 3QD would never, ever hear from an Irrationalist foodie with a fancy prose style.

Posted by: Elatia Harris | Feb 25, 2007 10:23:10 AM

Can I ask what's wrong with "Good God"? Is there a fundamentalist strain on this site? I've been a faithful reader for quite a while and haven't noticed anything like that. On the internet, I think, if you're offended so easily you should not read comments. (Better yet stay off line.) You most definitely can't control what people say or how they say it. That's the beauty of the internet, am I right?

Posted by: agirl | Mar 24, 2007 5:07:26 AM

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