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February 20, 2006

Critical Digressions: Twilight in Delhi

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

Last month, we packed our bags and headed to Delhi. We flew on a cheap ticket, got in at an ungodly hour, bleary-eyed but excited. Indira Gandhi International airport is typically third-world, featuring ramshackle transit busses, greasy walls, dull immigration officials, who, because we hail from across the border, gravely told us to fill out extra paperwork. Outside, we dryly smoked a Dunhill, spent close to an hour in bumper-to-bumper traffic in the parking lot, traversed the dark swaths of the city by car, and slept at dawn. In the afternoon, wide-eyed, we headed out.

This was our first time in India. We thought we’d be a foreigner in a foreign land but were immediately struck by the obvious, or not so obvious: from the anemic flow of water in taps to the quality of light in winter, India is like Pakistan, familiar territory, terra cognita; the flora, colors, topography, architecture, traffic and beggars, suggested that we had been here before. Delhi seemed like a larger, sometimes grander version of Lahore.

Republic_day Touring the city on rickshaw, we rattled past the very impressive Rashtrapati Bhawan, the old Viceregal Palace, where preparations for Republic Day were underway. Here, where Lord Mountbatten once determined the fate of the Subcontinent, we now observed posters featuring the visiting Saudi head-of-state, King Abdullah; police with semiautomatics trolling the wide boulevards as the odd monkey scurried by; stands and seating and portable toilets busily being set up for the throngs that would in days observe artifacts of Indian martial identity: ballistic missiles named after the gods Agni and Prithvi, as wells as Russian-built T-90 tanks. On TV later, we also watched colorful folk dancers and elephants participate in the festivities. Strangely, save the animals, it was all familiar, the sort of display we have often seen on the wide boulevards of Islamabad on Independence Day. Although we would have liked to stroll around, our rickshaw-wallah advised us against it.

Qutb_minar Next we stopped at the Qutb Minar, the awesome two-hundred-and-forty foot tower constructed in 1199 to commemorate the defeat of Prithviraj Chauhan by the Turk Qutbuddin Aibak. A testament to Indo-Islamic syncretism, the tower ostensibly shares the muscular aesthetic of many of the Hindu temples we have visited in and around Karachi but upon closer inspection, is adorned by Arabic script. Interestingly, we happened upon a secret carving of the elephant-god Ganesh on a foundation stone in the north wall of the complex (a must-see). As we ambled about, we were beckoned by a waving middle-aged woman seated reading a newspaper in one of the cupolas. Hand extended, she declaimed: “Photo!” We immediately complied, handing over our camera. She then meticulously documented our visit, taking pictures of us from different angles, framed by different arches, the Qutb Minar sometimes in the background, now on our left, now on our right. We were quite touched by her sense of duty to the solitary ambling tourist which, we figured, had something to do with native pride, patriotism. Having depleted most of our roll, she returned the camera and extending her hand again, said, “Tip please!” Parting with a ten rupee note, we thought, “Hand ho gaya.” On the way out, we mentioned the incident to another tourist who said, “She took me for a hundred.”

Finally, we headed to the Mughal Jamia Masjid, a smaller, duller version of the Badshahi Masjid in Lahore. We muttered some secular prayers in the courtyard then scaled one its minarets. After a vertiginous five-minute climb, we were suddenly upon Delhi; the city spread before us in twilight. And the flat skyline, the Shahi Mohalla, the adjacent squat neighborhoods, the bustle of humanity, reminded us of surveying Lahore from the Minar-e-Pakistan. We felt dizzy and elated and at that moment, claimed the city, and country.

013_14aIndia’s similarity to Pakistan extends further than the glance of the tourist. Both countries are fundamentally similar in significant ways, an obvious, even mundane observation but one mostly neglected in the media, academia, and popular discourse, within and without the Subcontinent. The edifices and detritus that we happened upon are testaments to a common past defined by competing religious, cultural and colonial heritages, repectively: Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Sikh; Bengali, Tamil, Marathi, Assamese, Kashmiri, Pashtun, Balouchi, Sindhi; British, French, Portuguese. Many assume that in this common past there is the suggestion of common ground, of the Subcontinent functioning as a cohesive political entity. The vast area, however, has functioned only thrice as such: under the legendary Ashoka circa 273 BCE, under the Mughal Aurganzeb three hundred years ago, and most recently under the British. Regional aspirations have been the rule rather than the exception throughout history. The creation of the modern states of India and  Pakistan is testament to this historical momentum, of competing visions and ideas grating against each other, centralized state structure on one side, federalism on the other. And this dynamic may shape and reshape the Subcontinent in the future as it has for millennia.

That we share a common history is not an interesting claim. What is interesting, or rather, peculiar, is that in recent history, India and Pakistan have rarely occupied the same space in discourse. The only notable academics that have made a syncretic effort are the Harvard professor Sugata Bose and the Tufts professor, Ayesha Jalal. In Modern South Asia they note that they

“…aim at breaching the spatial and temporal divide which that moment has come to represent in the domain of scholarship. Despite a much longer shared history, marked as much by commonalities as differences, post-colonial India and Pakistan have been for the most part treated as two starkly antithetical entities. Only a few comparative analysts have risked trespassing across arbitrary frontiers demarcated at the time of partition, preferring to operate within the contours of independent statehood, even when these fly in the face of overlapping developments…Such scholarly deference to the boundaries of post-colonial nation-states in the subcontinent is matched by the attitude of Indian and Pakistani border patrols…”

Regionalism and other varieties of centripetalism continue to inform both states. In a rare article comparing the two countries, The Economist, notes

“India…sometimes wonders whether it really is one nation. Many of its 25 states are big enough and different enough from each other to be large countries in their own right. Bids by various regions for more autonomy were accommodated (most of the time), bought off or suppressed by the Indian government with varying degrees of finesse. Clashes of caste, class and creed periodically undermine order, if not India’s territorial integrity. India is pocked with small wars, from the tribal insurgencies of the north-east to the caste wars of Bihar, where upper-caste private armies slaughter dalits (formerly known as untouchables), and Naxalite (Maoist) militias murder landlords in return.”

Interestingly both countries – one with democratic credentials and one with sporadic and spotty democracy – resort to the army when regionalism threatens. The Pakistani army has crushed movements for autonomy in Sindh and Balouchistan while the Indian army has crushed those in Kashmir, Punjab, and Assam. Both countries also invariably accuse each other of aggravating these movements when in every case, regional anxieties are local matters. For instance, the present phase of the independence movement in Kashmir – which the wonderfully erudite Pankaj Mishra has examined in a series of articles on Kashmir in the New York Review of Books – can be traced to a single bullet fired by an Indian soldier into a peaceful student demonstration in early 1990.

Both countries share the same parliamentary system of government (and the same archaic bureaucratic apparatus), a legacy of our shared colonial past. During our trip, the uneasy relationship between the center and periphery was highlighted by the Buta Singh episode: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh came under attack for not sacking the controversial governor of Bihar who had been indicted by the Supreme Court for a “politically motivated report recommending Central rule in the state.” Other debates taking place in the parliament seemed familiarly silly: elected public officials arguing about the fate of Sourav Ganguly, the captain of the Indian cricket team (and the fact that Musharraf has managed to resist American pressure to vote against Iran in the IAEA when Manmohan had not.) Similarly, in Pakistan, a strident and ineffectual committee was convened last year to examine the functioning of the Pakistan Cricket Board.

We also share an unfortunate feature of the postcolonial nation state: systematic corruption amongst the political class. Pakistan’s corrupt politicians – Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, in particular – are infamous but in recent memory, at least one major scandal has rocked every India administration: the Bofors arms deal involved $30 million in kickbacks and implicated Prime Minster Rajiv Gandhi himself; the $138 million sugar contracts scam in 1996 implicated another Prime Minister, Narasimha Rao; the screwy deregulation of the telecom sector under communications minister Sukh Ram; the dramatic “Operation Duryodhana” which featured eleven members of parliament caught in tape taking bribes for the release of development funds; and most recently, the Volker report on the Oil-for-Food scandal brought down the External Affairs minister, Natwar Singh. A BBC reporter observed, “Corruption pervades nearly every aspect of Indian life. Even mundane procedures such as applying for a driving license, school and university admission, and getting a telephone connected often need to be accompanied by a pay-off to an official to speed up the procedure.” Familiar indeed.

OlddelhiNot everything is familiar though. In the shadow of the mosque, we dined at Karim’s, a much celebrated restaurant: National Geographic called it a “magic little restaurant”; BBC raved about it; and various Indian newspapers employ only hyperbole to describe it: “every time [sic] on the menu is a celebration of special mughlai cuisine that fed and probably enslaved the Royals to their cooks, who in turn have been making parallel history by making their ways into people’s hearts through their stomachs.” We trembled with anticipation reading these elegies displayed in cutouts on the walls. As a discerning culinary tourist, we ordered three very different items: Jahangiri chicken, chicken liver, and paya, or goat trotters. Tragically, ladies and gentlemen, we were disappointed. The chicken had no kick, the liver was served soupy, and the paya was doused with haldi. In fact, save one exception (the rather amazing Kakori kebob in Lucknow), over the course of our jaunt we realized that Northern India cuisine doesn’t quite compare with Pakistani cuisine: you can’t go wrong in Pakistan whether you eat paya in the Lahore’s Shahi Mohalla, tak-a-tak in Chandi Chowk, or nihari on Burns Road in Karachi.

Subway_ridersAfter dinner, we strolled through the Shahi Mohalla with an uneasy stomach. Unlike the Lahore’s Shahi Mohalla, the neighborhood does not features beautifully frayed (and restored) havelis, harmonium music, the tintinnabulation of ghungroo, but money exchanges for Pakistani currency, small restaurants, dim stalls, and a decidedly troubled bustle. We purchased a Jinnah hat, searched (and found) Razia Sultana’s forgotten grave, and then amid the squalor, happened upon the bright entrance to a subway station. As if entering the security gate at an airport, we passed through a metal detector while armed guards inspected our camera. Once inside, we were quite taken; Delhi’s spanking new subway system is very impressive indeed; Pakistan does not have anything like it. We descended underground via escalators as a young couple looked on, marveling at the march of technology, then followed, hesitantly, one foot at a time; riding the escalator was for them an act of supreme balance. We got off the train during an exodus and found ourselves at Connaught Place. Reminiscent of Mall Road or Liberty, Connaught Place is a vibrant market planned around a large roundabout. We purchased a saffron-colored T from the Lacoste shop to celebrate our Indian excursion, and then sat outside chewing on spiced yam, observing the Indian middle class.

Indian’s middle class is definitely larger than Pakistan’s although its size and purchasing power (or even moderntity) is disputable. Writing in The Hindu, novelist and columnist Shashi Tharoor writes,

“Whenever I hear foreigners talking about the Indian ‘middle class,’ I wonder what they mean...Conventional wisdom is that this middle class is some 300 million strong…and together with the very rich…has both the purchasing power and inclinations of the American middle class…Today’s economic mythology sees this new Indian middle class as ripe for international consumer goods…[but] manufacturers, I hear have been dismayed by the weak response of the market…the Indian middle class is not quite it’s cracked up to be.”

Tharoor scrutinizes the numbers citing a somewhat dated economic survey, perhaps, not be the best way of going about this sort of analysis. But if, say, mobile-phone users can be thought to be a proxy for the middle and upper classes, then as of 2005, combined, India’s middle and upper middle class number 60 million. (Back-of-the-envelope calculations reveal that 5 in 100 people own mobile sets in India in comparison to 10 in 100 in Pakistan, 29 in 100 in China, and 47 in 100 in Brazil.)

Jama_with_jinnah_hat_saffron_tLater that night, clad in our newly acquired Jinnah hat and saffron Lacoste T, we met a friend at a chi-chi bar called Shalom (which of course reminded us of the Karachi nightclub, Virgo Legacy). At four hundred rupees a cocktail, Shalom was outside the purview of the middle class. The dimly lit room had an exposed finish and was populated by fifteen, perhaps twenty people huddled around small tables. The crowd was young, affluent, and the music loud and loungy. We ordered a couple of very tasty Mojitos. A recent law-school graduate informed us with edgy pride that she is becoming a corporate lawyer to contribute to India’s GDP. Our conversation turned to the modern veneer of Delhi. We were told that bars such as Shalom have sprung up within the last couple of years. On the table besides us, we heard a rake coo to a Caucasian, perhaps another tourist, “You could be anywhere in the world in here.”

India’s recent spurt of economic growth after the “lost nineties,” the anemic 3% “Hindu rate of growth” that characterized the eighties, and its previous experiments with socialism has inspired many with certain confidence. The celebratory mood permeated the celebratory articles by New York Times reporter Amy Waldman late last year. South Asia Bureau editor of the BBC avers, “The new mood is summed up and also being shaped by the country's Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen. His book The Argumentative Indian encourages the liberal middle class to reclaim pride in their country and culture from the worst of the Hindu nationalists who hijacked them in the 1990s.” Sen’s wonderful project is a function of this turn-of-the-century mood. Arguably, then, The Argumentative Indian could not have been produced in the eighties (when Naipaul found India to be a Wounded Civilization, a step up, we suppose, from An Area of Darkness).

Across the border there is also a celebratory mood. Vishaka Desai, the President of the Asia Society in New York, observed, “I think there is a level of confidence because of the economic takeoff of Pakistan…I also think people feel that in the last five-six years, since Musharraf has come to power, there is a moderation that has taken place. Where it seemed before that it was going in the direction of more Islamisation, it is quite different and is something we should respect.” Last month, the stock market crossed the 10,000 rupee mark, a few weeks before India’s managed the same. Shaukat Aziz’s macroeconomic stabilization has resulted not only in a skyrocketing stock exchange but 8.3% GDP growth in 2005 (7% in 2004). In turn, cheap credit has flooded the market, availed of by the middle class (who are estimated at 30 million) who have purchased cars and houses with loans for the first time in decades. The newly economically enfranchised middle class has clamored for schooling, an interesting demand push phenomenon. Harvard economics Professor Asim Khwaja has documented the explosion in private school growth in the last few years in a surprising report. Manifestly, economic growth, whether in India or Pakistan, has real social (and political) implications. Fareed Zakaria astutely notes, “Compare Pakistan today—growing at 8 percent a year—with General Zia's country, and you can see why, for all the noise, fundamentalism there is waning.”

A dated issue of The Economist (a few months before Musharraf took power and before the present Congress administration) posed the following question:

“Secular, democratic India v sectarian, coup-prone Pakistan: no question, surely, which would win a political beauty contest? Set India’s $30 billion of foreign-exchange reserves against Pakistan’s near-bankruptcy, India’s world-class software engineers against Pakistan’s outdated cotton mills, and awarding the economic prize looks just as easy. Yet the comparison is not as lopsided as it seems at first. Travellers to are often surprised to find its people looking more prosperous than Indians. Pakistan’s income per head is indeed higher than India’s, even leaving aside the giant black-market economy. Pakistan also appears to be a more equal society, even though most members of parliament still belong to the landed elite. India may boast that democracy has churned the social make-up of its political class, yet the caste system, despite half a century of deliberate erosion, still blights Indian society. In Pakistan, you would not see a scene witnessed by your correspondent on a railway platform in: a small, dark-skinned man being shooed off a bench by a corpulent, lighter-hued woman as though he were a stray dog. As for Pakistan’s fabled lawlessness, Delhi’s murder rate last year was roughly the same as Karachi’s.” 

Of course, India is roughly seven times Pakistan’s size by population; its economy is three times Pakistan’s; and its labor force has an edge in magnitude and education. The million man strong BPO industry may be small in a nation of a billion but a million remains a large number, and its skill-set is noteworthy; and since Y2K, a number of these BPO shops - Wipro and Infosys, in particular - have become international players. Moreover, India’s democratic tradition and institutional infrastructure might prove to sustain future growth more effectively and evenly than in Pakistan.

A few drinks into the evening, we wondered, why did we expect India to be any different? We then remembered back to December 2003, when a large contingent from Bombay arrived in Karachi to attend the Kara Film Festival. The first such a delegation to cross the border in a very long time, our guests  - including the charming film director Mahesh Bhatt and his beautiful daughter, Pooja - were not only blown away by their reception but by Karachi’s cultural and nightlife, and infrastructure. At the rollicking closing party at a warehouse in Korangi, an Indian confided to us after a few drinks that he thought that “women here are veiled and men have beards. That’s what the newspapers say.”

While we were in India, we had the misfortune having the Times of India delivered to us daily. Every day the newspaper ran a front page article on Pakistan – not China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, but Pakistan. And the headlines were rarely newsworthy. We don’t think that any English-language Pakistani paper fetishizes India like the Times. When we had asked a friend what the deal was, he told us that we should read The Hindu, which is published in the South; the establishment resides in Northern India.

Of course, the news bulletins the state run Pakistani channel, PTV, for example, features damning reportage on Kashmir. The state run news channels, PTV or Indian Doordarshan, also represent another problem: newscasters speak languages that sound foreign, made-up, because the Indian state machinery has worked hard at Sanskritizing Urdu, while official Urdu in Pakistan has become increasingly Persianized and Arabisized. The establishments of both countries have put great effort in defining us as each other’s “Other”; put simply, being Indian means not being Pakistani and being Pakistani means not being Indian.

The state also selectively excavates history: whereas many Pakistani textbooks commence with the Indus Valley Civilization and jump to the Muslim conquest of Sind by the teenager, Bin Qasim, ignoring the preceding Hindu dynasties and Buddhist civilization, many Indian textbooks feature the fictional “Indus-Saraswati civilization” and exclude the fact that Mahatama Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu nationalist. Rewriting Indian history has become not just a cottage industry but a serious endeavor and matter. Although such revision is associated with the previous administration of the fundamentalist BJP, we were unsettled to learn from the intrepid weekly, Tehelka, that Macalester professor James Laine’s work on Shivaji has been banned in Maharastra. And we were shocked to learn that state issued textbooks in Gujrat praise Hitler and the “internal achievements of Nazism”! Of course, the curricula of Pakistani madrassas (attended by about 1% of Pakistanis), are also horribly and ludicrously retrograde; the Hindu is often the enemy. Indeed, “The Idea of India in the Popular Pakistani Imagination” and the “The Idea of Pakistan in the Popular Indian Imagination” could make for fascinating doctoral theses.

A_veritable_classicMercifully, the youth in either country watches Indus Music and MTV Asia, not the state-run television channels. We speak the same language because we watch Indian movies (our favorites being, Amar, Akbar, Anthony, Tridev, Yashwant, Lagaan, and Saathyia) and listen to Pakistani music (music shops in Delhi are stocked with CDs of Junoon, Noori, Fuzon, Strings, and Hadiqa). We, the generation, generations removed from Partition, travel light; we don’t carry much baggage. A sense of the familiar, not nostalgia, informs our sentiments. We want to move on. In Twilight in Delhi, one of the first novels in English from the Subcontinent (the first being Mulk Raj Anand's Untouchable), the great Ahmed Ali depicted the decline of old Delhi. Like millions of others including our family, Ali fled India at Partition for Pakistan. During twilight in Delhi, however, we had a different vision than Ali; one of a common past and future, of the celebration of commonality. That’s why it’s our generation that will breach the divide. We returned home that night, slept easily, anticipating the morning after.

Other Critical Digressions:
Gangbanging and Notions of the Self
Literary Pugilists, Underground Men
The Media Generation and Nazia Hassan
The Naipaulian Imperative and the Phenomenon of the Post-National
Beyond Winter in Karachi (or the Argumentative Pakistani)
Dispatch from Karachi
Dispatch from Cambridge (or Notes on Deconstructing Chicken)
And, the original Critical Digression

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Hussain: This is a very good article. I enjoyed the discussion about how similar we really are...I had the exact same impression when I visited Delhi a few years ago. The hussle bustle, the crowds, the shopping, architecture, traffic, dust, dirt, except for Rashtrapati Bhawan, where the wide Boulevards, the Governement buildings etc are very impressive. More importantly I agree with your sentiments that the new generation will find more common ground and less enmity and will get along better. There is so much to gain by friendship and growing and developing together than the state of affairs prevelant for the last fifty some years. Friendship with India will have a side benefit that fundamentalism in Pakistan will be less likely to grow. Thanks for this very thoughtful and timely article.

Posted by: Tasnim | Feb 20, 2006 6:56:55 PM

Good going, Husain. Interesting stuff and written with your usual verve. Thanks. (Needs a little copy editing, though...)

Posted by: Abbas Raza | Feb 20, 2006 9:23:52 PM

Not good. This is great. It's brilliant...All travel writing should be like this. You touch on history, economics, government and culture. Am I missing something? Probably many things. Naipaul or your man Dalrymple don't or can't do this...Glad I found this site.

Posted by: JSB | Feb 20, 2006 11:21:32 PM

I know Indian people who have gone to Pakistan and had the exact same feeling, that it really isn't a foreign place at all.

I'd quibble a little bit with some of your characterizations, but they are only quibbles. The lingua franca is Hindustani, not Urdu - both Hindi and Urdu have been diverging from Hindustani under political and cultural pressure. By purchasing power parity, India's per capita GDP is higher than Pakistan's.

It's too bad you only went to Delhi and didn't make it to the South. I would be very interested if someone from Pakistan felt the same kind of kinship in Tamil Nadu or Kerala. Ditto for West Bengal.

Posted by: Hektor Bim | Feb 21, 2006 9:32:22 AM

Very nicely written, but still smacks of that ever-present arrogance of the North Indian(and Pakistani) intelligensia which chooses to ignore the varieties of South Indian culture and richness the Dravidian languages have shared with Indo-Aryan and Munda. Urdu the lingua franca of the subcontinent? Come on, now. Where do you think Urdu got those retroflexes?

Posted by: Krishnan | Feb 21, 2006 10:37:20 AM

Thank you for your comments, ladies and gentlemen. Tasnim, good to hear that you felt the same way during your trip to Delhi. Abb, thanks and thanks for pointing out the copy editing issue. I'll be sure to point it out to you as well. JSB, I'm flattered. Hecktor, I would have loved to travel all around India but my visa and finances did not permit it. And Krishnan, point about Urdu taken - and rectified. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I chose to ignore "the varieties of South Indian culture and richness the Dravidian languages." Again, I just couldn't make it to the South. I will next time.

Posted by: HMN | Feb 21, 2006 2:55:14 PM

Not to be rude to HMN but I think as Krishnan pointed out you missed the essence of India,its sheer diversity.Not having visited Pakistan I may be presumptuous but its very doubtful that it approaches anywhere close to the vertiginious variety that sets India apart from most countries;the very reason most westerners have raised to question its viablity as a nation.Eppur si muove!

Posted by: sumant | Feb 21, 2006 7:58:40 PM

Very well articulated. But this still presents some things and facts in a twisted way. Take a look at the following.

"Indian martial identity: ballistic missiles named after the gods Agni and Prithvi,"

The Indian missiles are not named after Indian/Hindu gods as you have thought or most people in pakistan would like to believe. Infact they are named after the elements (earth, fire, sky and water regarded as a fundamental constituent of the universe). Prithvi is earth, Agni fire, Akash is sky.

In contrast Pakistan names its missiles after the muslim invaders of India. Ghauri, Ghaznavi and Abdali (who are all Afghans, who before plundering territory lying in what is today India, ransacked towns in present day Pakistan.) are some of other names Pakistan has given to its missiles.

India is not a small/tiny country where in you can make generalizations and they hold true. India is right and wrong at the same time, this and that at the same time, old and new at the same time, rich and poor at the same time. a country where all generalizations fail and hold true simultaneosuly.

Posted by: Kamesh | Feb 22, 2006 6:17:51 AM

In the light of the two reactive comments I would like to recite some lyrics from your favorite movie, Amar, Akbar and Anthony: 'Kaisay baat mutlab ki, samjhoun deewano ko.'

It is in Hindi. Thank you.

Posted by: Tihmur | Feb 23, 2006 12:15:05 AM

Interesting stuff Husain,

What you say about "our generation will breach the divide" is easier said than done as too many people on both sides are quick to pass superficial judgements on each other along the lines of the political and historical divides between the countries with limited critical thought.

The political divides will remain but it will be the vision of artists and intellectuals that will hopefully sustain in articulating the shared cultural heritage and kinship above the noise of political rhetoric and the baying of religious fanatics.

Leaving aside heritage and staying strictly in the present, to me the social issues of poverty, social injustice, corruption, weak infrastructure and a fragmented national identity are very similar despite their unique national characteristics.

The view of each other from both sides has to evolve in cogniscence of this reality. Unfortunately too many people are more cogniscent of the differences - not just between Indian and Pakistani but between Marathi and Behari, Bengali and Malayali, Sindhi and Punjabi, Muslim and Hindu..this is all regressive stuff folks especially if the end goal is to be prosperous, liberal and tolerant nations.

I guess Im a dreamer or am I?


regards,

Posted by: Asad H | Feb 23, 2006 2:37:00 AM

One is heartened that readers that have taken such interest in this edition of "Critical Digressions."

To allay the anxieties of some (or rather one), I hereby testify that India is indeed a diverse country.

I cannot, however, testify to mythology. I do understand, however, that Agni figures in the ancient holy texts, the Vedas, which are open to interpretation, and in one interpretation, Agni is Indra's brother. Agni, of course, figures throughout: in Hymn XVI of the Rig Veda, for example, he is often invoked explicitly as a god. "May Agni with his pointed blaze cast down each fierce devouring fiend/ May Agni win us wealth by war." Reading ancient texts, however, verse in particular, is an exercise fraught with manifold complexities and I am certainly no expert. I am also not interested in debating this point further.

I enjoyed the following observation, and if true, take solace in it: "India is...a country where all generalizations fail and hold true simultaneosuly (sic)."

Tihmur, I love that song. Asad, thank you for your thoughtful comments. I agree with you and share your hope.

Posted by: HMN | Feb 24, 2006 4:26:13 AM

Sorry to beat a dead horse (Indo-European style!), but HMN should cite the RV verse properly if he's to use it as evidence. What book? And really, now, who reads Vedic on a Friday afternoon?

Both HMN and Kamesh are right. We could get into a whole to-do about this, but I would hesitate to say that Hindus worship Agni as a god. I mean, not like they do Puranic deities (Shiva, Vishnu, Hayagriva, etc.). Agni is more a witness to ritual. A warm friend.

Posted by: Krishnan | Feb 24, 2006 4:25:35 PM

Beat it baby...It's all you got.

Posted by: Anal-Haq | Feb 25, 2006 1:07:00 AM

You are right when you quoted the Rig Veda about Agni there. Allow me to point to an interesting article in Asia Times Online which deals with the subject in question.

Asia's missiles strike at the heart

Posted by: kamesh | Feb 25, 2006 9:06:20 PM

Thanks, chief. I know I am right.

This post, by the way, is not about nuclear bombs. Perhaps you should stop fetishisizing missiles. It suggests certain inadequacy.

Posted by: HMN | Feb 28, 2006 3:20:27 AM

Clarification : You are right in quoting Rigveda about the GOD 'Agni' and not the missile Agni (named after the element fire). If I say my name is Muhammad then I am not "the one".

I am sorry if you felt that I am fetish'isizing' about missiles. I never thought of hijacking your post. My honest intention was to correct one of your sentences which your well written article does not deserve. In our place we have a saying. In order to judge if the rice is cooked properly or not you dont need to check the whole bowl of rice. Just a grain should be enough.

Posted by: kamesh | Mar 2, 2006 1:18:46 AM

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I know I'm right about the god Agni. I doubt that the Vedas would mention the missile Agni.

I wonder, however, if I have been right all along, why this tedious fuss, these rhetorical acrobatics? I suspect it has something to do with one of the subjects of "Twilight in Delhi," the us vs. them posturing characteristic of the discourse that divides the Subcontinent: our missiles are named after gods and yours are named after warriors. If I were to split hairs, I’d mention that Ghauri, Ghaznavi and company were able administrators and not just able military strategists. This post, however, is not concerned with myths and missiles, something I have reiterated repeatedly. I too am sorry that a number of comments were devoted to it. Perhaps, I will, to use another analogy, take all of this with a grain of salt.

Thanks for again for the discussion and your compliment.

Posted by: HMN | Mar 6, 2006 5:21:01 AM

Good observations, well written.
May I suggest a minor correction. If my memory serves right, it was
Mohamamed Ghauri who defeated Prithvi Raj Chauhan in 1192 and not Qutubudin in 1199 as mentioned by you.
Thanks for great writng.

Posted by: shiban ganju | Mar 23, 2006 6:06:45 PM

Naqvi sahab, you are uncannily correct. Here is a news report that may interest you as it substantiates some of your observations on the Other.

Stories of Partition breeding mistrust

By Akhtar Amin

PESHAWAR: The stories of Partition are still being shared at homes even after four generations where both sides see themselves victim and the ‘other’ perpetrator, The Individual-land reveals in its report after a 10-day training programme for young Indian and Pakistani students.

“Sufferings of those people who experienced Partition are not part of a political and historical discourse. There are no memorials at borders acknowledging their pain, nor has it been remembered publicly anywhere. All that remains is the oral history, which is fraught with emotions. These stories keep the memory alive but ironically, only pain, anger, hatred and distrust survive. Our present is traumatising enough. It becomes more so because of our imagination or misunderstanding of the past, which haunt us and will follow the posterity as well,” said the research report based on the views of students of both countries.

The research report states that diplomats were being expelled; threats of ‘hot pursuit’ were being given; allegations of nursing terrorists were being made which the other side was denying; human rights activists’ rooms were being searched and amidst this celebrations of independence were being carried out on at Wagha border.

The report stated that the people had forgotten that when Gandhi died, Lahore the city of lights mourned his death and all the shops had closed down. The report said the stories of Partition were growing the concept of ‘other’. Films, textbooks, traumatic oral history, reinforced the concept of ‘us’ and the ‘other’ on both sides of the border. “Tragically, even peace activists while eulogising the concept of peace ignore the concept of ‘other,” said Dr Navita Mahajan, an academic from India during the training.

The majority of the students from both countries said that the root cause of conflict between India and Pakistan was Kashmir. The Pakistanis were more favorable to a future of ‘peace’ if the Kashmir issue was resolved, whereas, many of the Indians and few Pakistani believed that there still won’t be any peace even after the resolution of Kashmir issue.

The sample comprised of a total of 85 students belonging to class nine and 10 of India and Pakistan, whereas, 50 of these were Indian (Chandigarh and Barnala,) and 35 students were Pakistanis (Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Quetta). The questionnaire was validated by Prof AH Nayyar (SDPI, Islamabad) and Dr SP Uday Kumar (Transcend Asia, Nagercoil). The sample demonstrated their awareness about ‘peaceful methods’ rather than ‘ the use of the force’ for resolving problems between the two countries. They also made obvious that a proper understanding of every group’s values and consideration for their rights can prevent inter-ethnic conflicts and religious riots, which revealed that their personal perception was still free of interjects.

Regarding the future of India and Pakistan in 2020, of co-existence, their dream, the students came up with amazingly positive and creative suggestions and solutions which was a reflection of their outlook giving an opportunity to see and understand India and Pakistan conflict from their point of view. An overwhelming number of students from both India and Pakistan agreed that there was a need to look ahead and not in the rear view mirror, the research report stated. Students were invited to use their imagination and were asked to draw their dreams and map spatially representing their experience. The partially successful exercise gave a preview of their dreams of busses plying freely across borders and worship places existing side by side.

Posted by: ghalib | Aug 21, 2006 5:22:24 AM

Very interesting.So why not join pakistan to india again.No army or ISI.In other words thats what indians and GOI have been always saying that we are same people why have seperate countries? but pakistanis want to be muslims and not indians so you have a seperate countries.But beings muslims your perks are burquad women,mullas,jihadist armies and sharia and cultural rules and counter rules.I think more and more people should visit india and find that a seperate country serve no purpose.Your comment though is veer zaara style.

Posted by: praveen | Jun 13, 2007 6:14:17 AM

While I don't agree with the concept of partition, and feel that it had grave errors, that's really not the point now, is it?

India and Pakistan were once united. No longer. We've moved too far from 1947 to pretend partition never happened. The tragedy is that there still is no peace between the two countries, that Lahore is much further from Delhi than any other city in India.

And that is what we, as the post-post-partition generation, have to work on.

And Agni is both a God and an element. Go figure the context, Kamesh.

Posted by: Manav | Aug 18, 2007 11:15:08 AM

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